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to have made my mother cry yet again?

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slightlyirritable · 29/05/2016 15:11

Don't know where to start- right now I am at home under a duvet while my husband and daughter are out enjoying the funfair. Yet another run in with my mother has left me reeling and I can't cope with people right now. I'm sure I'm not the only one, but I don't know what to do next.

I'm 45, my mother is 73. Frankly, we're both too old to change! To keep this post under a million pages long, let's just say she has never been happy with my standards of cleaning and tidying. There are various reasons why I am the way I am- all look like excuses when I type them, but there we are. I am not a bad person.

Our daughter's going to be 4 next week. She has barely slept through the night ever. We both have full time jobs- DH leaves at 6am. We are lucky to work locally and very lucky that my parents look after DD outside nursery hours. She starts school in September.

We do our best to keep the bombsite that is our house under control, but not easy to find time that works while DD is awake and when she goes to sleep, we collapse. My parents are in this house every day for pick up and drop off (I don't drive, so I can't take her to them)

on Thursday we had the latest 'last straw'. Wait for it.....yellow broccoli.

For reasons beyond my comprehension, DD has decided to keep veg out of the fridge. I decided it wasn't worth an argument and let it continue. Mother discovered the broccoli before I'd had a chance to come downstairs. She described it as 'rotten'. It wasn't. There was also some spinach and potatoes, also apparently rotten. I never got to see them as Dad had whisked the offending articles out of the house lest we all die of yellow broccoli contamination.

Cue lecture about standards - I've had 45 years of this one- and the implications that my daugher's health is at risk. And we may all have food poisoning without even knowing it. Which is where my patience ran out. And I am told we live in squalor. Etc.

in the evening she comes in as if nothing has happened.

2 days later and they have DD for the morning so we can tidy up. This has by now been turned into a bigger deal than it really is. I phone to ask what time we're getting DD back. I get the usual answer to a totally different question, we go back down the yellow broccoli road and then I learn the shock revelation that inside a sealed box, which was inside a sealed bag, in a rucksack, were some leftover strawberries from last week, which we'd forgotten to take out after a walk. More lecture then she wound herself up into tears and hung up.

So I have made my mother cry yet again.

Literally the only thing that matters about my life to her is cleaning and tidying. She is stupidly over-happy if I do a bit of dusting and almost suicidal if I don't- which is more often than the first one.

I can hear people shouting (if they've survived this far) "so just tidy then" but it's not that simple. and if I do, there's something else. always something

When DD starts school, I'll be able to walk her there in the morning, so they don't have to come here, but in the afternoon, she wants to come back here and stay for the 2 hours before I get in, and cook dinner as well. They live 5 mins away. I don't think this is going to enhance the family harmony situation.

I have signed up a team of cleaners who come over and blitz every few months- I can't get on top of the tidying more often than that, so it's better than nothing.

I am crafty, knitting, sewing, etc. I hardly do any of it any more, as you can't enjoy yourself while there's chores to be done, but I do spend time with DD making things and to me the one hour I have with her before bedtime is precious. We have clutter. I created solutions, but they became problems. My mum 'tidies' by shoving everything anywhere it will go, so within one day, all the bits from DD's games are separated, never to be found again. Anything I put down, disappears and later turns up in the most random of drawers.

So I've sort of given up, as I'm going to be wrong anyway, whatever I do.

Finding this exhausting and hating myself. Even more so for my mother being in tears because of me.

We are all good people and everyone's miserable. My daughter is a fantastic little girl and I have worked hard to make sure she is growing up happy, healthy and confident, and with a sense of self. She is sociable and everyone loves her. I was a shy, quiet, nervous child. I don't want her to grow up like I did.

I'm so sorry this is so long.

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TheCladdagh · 29/05/2016 17:56

Housework is completely unimportant, assuming you are not actually living in a vermin-infested squat where you have to sieve the mouse-droppings out of your muesli. If my mother wept over on-the-turn broccoli she would be laughed to scorn in this house.

Honestly, OP, you sound as if you're more than 'paying' for your house and childcare by having to engage in this kind of nonsense. Time to renegotiate the terms, maybe?

I am crafty, knitting, sewing, etc. I hardly do any of it any more, as you can't enjoy yourself while there's chores to be done

I assure you you can! Try it some time. Lightning does not actually strike you for prioritising fun. And I have never in my life cleaned behind a radiator.

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2rebecca · 29/05/2016 18:04

Agree you haven't MADE your mother cry. Your mum decided to get upset about a bit of broccoli and cry. her decision, a different mother would have reacted differently. I keep my veg in the fridge, my brother doesn't and just keeps it in a cool dark area of the house and uses veg within 2-3 days. It's not in chiller cabinets in supermarkets and grows outside.
I'd make it clear to your mum that cleaning and cooking are done by both people in a relationship these days. If she upsets you see her less. I'm glad I don't live round the corner from any relatives.

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Fairenuff · 29/05/2016 18:04

If two adults have just done 5 hours each, surely the cleaning is done now anyway, so just pick up after yourselves as you go and make a schedule or something to clean more regularly. Two adults with childcare on tap could do this easily and still have time for hobbies.

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Andbabymakesthree · 29/05/2016 18:12

Is your inability to move because of a financial commitment to your parents or agreement to keep "family" home in family?

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Andbabymakesthree · 29/05/2016 18:13

Also my house is a mess and I'm a SAHM . Less stuff is the answer!

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NanaNina · 29/05/2016 18:17

Wow this thread is moving quickly..........has anyone mentioned the possibility of your mother suffering from OCD - I am no medic but it certainly sounds like it. Does she spend an inordinate amount of time cleaning her own house. Do you see any of those TV programmes (Compulsive cleaners and Hoarders) they usually end up with the compulsive cleaners acknowledging that they need to spend less time cleaning and the hoarders (buried alive is what it's called) promising to keep things more tidy.

OCD is now classified as a mental illness and the cleaning and hoarding are opposite sides of the same coin, so to speak.

As far as I can see this isn't about your daughter though many posters are giving you advice about your parenting methods! You can't change your mom but you can change your response when she has a meltdown over something. You say you're both too old to change and maybe you are but I think it's more about motivation to change. My DH is a hoarder and his bedroom is a shocking mess (we are in our 70s and have separate bedrooms) but as long as I don't see it I don't care. He doesn't like living like that but can't seem to help himself.

I think you're close to your mom which is a good sign. Have a look on the MIND page at OCD.

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kali110 · 29/05/2016 18:24

Op i grew up with a parent obssessed with cleanliness and tidiness.
If you were playing/making something then you couldn't have anything out that you needed.
Don't get me wrong i had a good ch, but that was miserable.
I also now have trouble throwing things away after a lifetime of her doing it for me.
I'd take an untidy house any day!

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notonyurjellybellynelly · 29/05/2016 18:28

I generally find people downplay the state of their home in order to minimise how bad it is, or they big it up in order to portray a couldn't care less attitude.

I think the OP is doing the former.

OP, could you get a cleaner in twice a week to help stay on top of things.

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blondieblondie · 29/05/2016 18:35

Your mum needs to mind her own business, but how much housework do you do in a week? Two parents, one child. Unless there are health issues, I don't see how things can be difficult. Do you do the basic hoovering, dusting, regularly?

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abbsismyhero · 29/05/2016 18:41

sounds like your exhausted to be honest my house is not looking its best at the moment ive one child who refuses to go asleep one early riser and a teen in the middle of her GCSEs im a single parent and the combination is killing me when i have to go out of the house all day the mess left in the morning is still waiting at night i can scratch the surface before i collapse on the sofa im so embarrassed to admit but my middle one slept in my bed the other night he was watching things on netflix while i was dozing next to him it was eight thirty at night and i was beyond exhausted and would have collapsed without rest

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Rowanhart · 29/05/2016 18:52

Trying not to chortle OP, because my Mam would definitely think me doing creative stuff like knitting if I had a manky fridge, would be height of frivolity.

I'd definitely expect a 'can you not clean out your fridge.' Perhaps with side order of 'I can't believe I didn't teach you how to clean fridge. Clearly failed as mother'. I would then clean out fridge.

Her tongue would be firmly in her cheek unless I said something ridiculous like 'my fridge is my business' and then I would probably predict some form of row, possibly tears.

So I do a half decent job of clearing out fridge. When I don't (she does childcare) she takes matter into own hands and say nothing. I notice and say 'thanks for cleaning fridge' and will always get a 'you're welcome sweetheart. Clearly did bad job as mother as didn't teach you to clean fridge...' The same phrase firs everything from shutting cupboards, to ironing (beyond me).

I also employ cleaner once a week, £20, to dust Hoover through and clean bathrooms.

And so we go on. And between us the house is clean. And we don't row. Almost ever.

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snowgirl29 · 29/05/2016 19:19

Precisely Merd , My Mother certainly had no qualms about making me feel like absolute shit recently, and I was in hospital on back to back nebulisers at the time!

I agree with others, it sounds like your Mum is way too involved overbearing. Childcare and house et al all lovely but going mad over a bit of broccoli starting to turn is a bit Hmm to put it lightly.

If you have the £, is it possible to pay for the childcare to give some distance between you both. She needs reminding that you're an Adult in your own right, and should be respected as such.

My Dad has very high standards when it comes to cleanliness, I've never had hysterics like that of him.

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snowgirl29 · 29/05/2016 19:25

Also, OP, how much help does your DH do in terms of shared housework. You both work the same hours and you both should share the housework. Get DD doing bits too.

I'm a single parent with health problems and I get DCs to help me. Even small children can help - takes five minutes for them to help you tidy their toys away, chuck laundry in the basket etc etc.

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NanaNina · 29/05/2016 20:02

The OP has made it clear that she loves her mom - they just have a "bust up" every couple of months and still she's being told that it's not her mother's business and Qs about how much house work she does, all couched in rather unpleasant terms.

I don't think this is about housework, the OP's DD, yellow broccoli or anything else like that. I think it's about the dynamic between the OP and her mother which is probably set in stone after all these years. I think the OP's mother has OCD though probably isn't going to change now.

OP if you're still around, and are buried under the posts, think yourself lucky, if this was your MIL there would be three times as many!

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Headofthehive55 · 29/05/2016 20:50

Less stuff makes it easier to keep on top of. Try not to let her come to your house unaccompanied by yourself. That way she won't find the broccoli.

She obviously hasn't got anything else to worry about. Have places for things. The hairbrush, your keys etc.

Your house. Your rules. Oh and I keep veg often out if the fridge, it doesn't need to be kept very cold. It shortens it's shelf life, but veg doesn't last long here!

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Creasedupcrinkle · 30/05/2016 00:05

Firstly, I thought yellow Brocolli was just another part of its life cycle, like when peppers change colour. It has never occurred to me that it was a sign of it going off. If something liquifies itself, for me, that's when it's past its best. And note I say "best" as "best before" is rather subjective!Grin

But secondly, my mother was also deeply enmeshed in my and my children's lives to the point that spending time with my husband felt like a betrayal and she would absolutely dominate me in front of the kids. I couldn't see it for the longest time, I thought she was just kind of over-loving and that it was coming from a good place. But the effect regardless was for me, what felt like death by a thousand cuts.

Our relationship is different now, but at every interaction I have to keep my lines drawn as she constantly tests the boundaries. It's exhausting. I'm not surprised you went back to bed.

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Crispbutty · 30/05/2016 00:17

I don't keep veg in a fridge. That is what veg racks are for. Supermarkets don't keep it in fridges either, nor do greengrocers. Just like eggs, you don't need them in a fridge.

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choli · 30/05/2016 01:24

As others have pointed out, if it took two people five hours each to clean your house, there IS a problem. Either you don't know how to clean efficiently, or it was really in a bad state.

Use the money you are saving from not paying for childcare to hire a weekly cleaner.

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TendonQueen · 30/05/2016 02:03

I think wolpert made a good point about your DH letting down the side on the clean and tidy front and getting away without the angst and self punishment you inflict on yourself. I think the two of you need to talk about how you handle all this, how he can do more, and how you can finally get the house in reasonable shape so then you can stand up to / be on better terms with your mother.

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PollyCoddle · 30/05/2016 02:05

Could you just keep one room tidy if your mother has to be in your house every day? Somewhere she can feel relaxed while caring for DD.

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FishWithABicycle · 30/05/2016 04:05

Yanbu at all to have a house that's grimier than it would be if you/dh were a sahp. A bit of dirt doesn't hurt and no-one dies from there being a yellow broccoli in the house (you should see some of the mould cultures I find in our fridge from time to time. Some of which may have evolved to develop language)

Your mother is being unreasonable and emotionally manipulative to cry about this. you have not made her cry. Her own fucked-up attitude has made her cry. She is trying to make you give up your career and dedicate your life to being a stepford wife. Don't accept the validity of her ridiculous reaction. Just Hmm and make your own decisions as an independent adult. And pay for non-judgemental childcare if you can - you don't need to structure your life around being so dependent on someone who judges you all the time.

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Batmansunderpants · 30/05/2016 05:24

Hi OP,

With all due respect your family appears very enmeshed. Maybe Google enmesh meant and fear, obligation and guilt. The practically giving you the house and caring for your daughter give them the ability to control you through obligation and guilt and disrespect your rights to be an independent adult from them.

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enterYourPassword · 30/05/2016 05:35

Your mother does sound like hard work and while I'm lucky with my mother and MIL, I can sympathise.

Housework is a pain but I wonder if your mother does have a point about any of it. I'm a big believer in tidy houses, desks, offices. Staying on top of it is fantastic. Do your emotions towards your home / house change as it gets closer to the 'cleaners are coming soon' time? I suspect they do.

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pollyglot · 30/05/2016 06:22

The fact that she discovered the strawberries in such a well-hidden place is worrying. Where else does she snoop while she has unfettered access to you home? When my overbearing mother was coming to stay and would be left to her own at ours, I just knew that she would go through all my personal stuff. In the most "interesting" box ("Taxes and Pensions"), I put a large note saying "I know you have been snooping. F**k off out of my stuff". I then did the hair trick - a strand of hair under the lid, which would inevitably fall off if the box was opened...the hair was gone when I got home, and mother was remarkably subdued. Your mother has no sense of personal boundaries and your are playing into her hands by having her as a child-minder. Move house, or find an alternative babysitter.
And definitely buy in services such as a cleaner if you are going to continue to work full-time - you have to spend money to make money.

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TheVillagePost · 30/05/2016 06:23

You're not alone OP. I struggle to keep my house pristine and I've no excuse - am a SAHM with 1 10 month old. My mum is a neat freak and always makes 'little jokes' about my standards, pretends to faint if she sees me hoovering etc. I've stopped worrying now and just tell her not to be silly. I would rather play with my baby now and leave the dishes til morning, and I'm quite happy with my priorities. You are doing just fine so don't let the old misery get you down xx

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