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to have made my mother cry yet again?

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slightlyirritable · 29/05/2016 15:11

Don't know where to start- right now I am at home under a duvet while my husband and daughter are out enjoying the funfair. Yet another run in with my mother has left me reeling and I can't cope with people right now. I'm sure I'm not the only one, but I don't know what to do next.

I'm 45, my mother is 73. Frankly, we're both too old to change! To keep this post under a million pages long, let's just say she has never been happy with my standards of cleaning and tidying. There are various reasons why I am the way I am- all look like excuses when I type them, but there we are. I am not a bad person.

Our daughter's going to be 4 next week. She has barely slept through the night ever. We both have full time jobs- DH leaves at 6am. We are lucky to work locally and very lucky that my parents look after DD outside nursery hours. She starts school in September.

We do our best to keep the bombsite that is our house under control, but not easy to find time that works while DD is awake and when she goes to sleep, we collapse. My parents are in this house every day for pick up and drop off (I don't drive, so I can't take her to them)

on Thursday we had the latest 'last straw'. Wait for it.....yellow broccoli.

For reasons beyond my comprehension, DD has decided to keep veg out of the fridge. I decided it wasn't worth an argument and let it continue. Mother discovered the broccoli before I'd had a chance to come downstairs. She described it as 'rotten'. It wasn't. There was also some spinach and potatoes, also apparently rotten. I never got to see them as Dad had whisked the offending articles out of the house lest we all die of yellow broccoli contamination.

Cue lecture about standards - I've had 45 years of this one- and the implications that my daugher's health is at risk. And we may all have food poisoning without even knowing it. Which is where my patience ran out. And I am told we live in squalor. Etc.

in the evening she comes in as if nothing has happened.

2 days later and they have DD for the morning so we can tidy up. This has by now been turned into a bigger deal than it really is. I phone to ask what time we're getting DD back. I get the usual answer to a totally different question, we go back down the yellow broccoli road and then I learn the shock revelation that inside a sealed box, which was inside a sealed bag, in a rucksack, were some leftover strawberries from last week, which we'd forgotten to take out after a walk. More lecture then she wound herself up into tears and hung up.

So I have made my mother cry yet again.

Literally the only thing that matters about my life to her is cleaning and tidying. She is stupidly over-happy if I do a bit of dusting and almost suicidal if I don't- which is more often than the first one.

I can hear people shouting (if they've survived this far) "so just tidy then" but it's not that simple. and if I do, there's something else. always something

When DD starts school, I'll be able to walk her there in the morning, so they don't have to come here, but in the afternoon, she wants to come back here and stay for the 2 hours before I get in, and cook dinner as well. They live 5 mins away. I don't think this is going to enhance the family harmony situation.

I have signed up a team of cleaners who come over and blitz every few months- I can't get on top of the tidying more often than that, so it's better than nothing.

I am crafty, knitting, sewing, etc. I hardly do any of it any more, as you can't enjoy yourself while there's chores to be done, but I do spend time with DD making things and to me the one hour I have with her before bedtime is precious. We have clutter. I created solutions, but they became problems. My mum 'tidies' by shoving everything anywhere it will go, so within one day, all the bits from DD's games are separated, never to be found again. Anything I put down, disappears and later turns up in the most random of drawers.

So I've sort of given up, as I'm going to be wrong anyway, whatever I do.

Finding this exhausting and hating myself. Even more so for my mother being in tears because of me.

We are all good people and everyone's miserable. My daughter is a fantastic little girl and I have worked hard to make sure she is growing up happy, healthy and confident, and with a sense of self. She is sociable and everyone loves her. I was a shy, quiet, nervous child. I don't want her to grow up like I did.

I'm so sorry this is so long.

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NapQueen · 29/05/2016 16:13

Irrespective of whether your mother has a point or not, and frankly we can't tell that from your op, her neuroses have had a significant effect on you. Your family are out at a fair no doubt having a wonderful day - probably the tonic you need - yet you've allowed her to send you to your bed.

I'd suggest either getting your arse to the fair or channelling your anger into some decent housework seeing as you've the day off and the house is empty. Throw the windows open, chuck on some music and get cleaning.

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NotYoda · 29/05/2016 16:14

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Re: replying

I tend to bold the name of the person I'm talking to (put asterisks either side of the name when you type)

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slightlyirritable · 29/05/2016 16:15

*Your 4 year old still doesn't sleep through
Your 4 year old gets to decide whether vegetables stay in the fridge or not
Your parents have found 'rotten' food in the house
Your house is messy enough to need blitzing by a team of cleaners every month
You and your partner have only 1 child and no long commute yet cannot find the time to keep the house tidy. *

oh dear- a combination of 'emotional' typing and too long for people to read properly

yes, she sleeps through approx 1-2 nights a week. And my husband gets up at 5 and is not silent.

Husband is the only committing crimes against vegetables, not daughter- apologies

the food was not rotten- it was on the turn. in any case, I would have found it by the time I got downstairs, but they had got in early and beaten me to it- I was busy getting myself and my daughter up, dressed and ready for the day when they got in.

Your house is messy enough to need blitzing by a team of cleaners every month

we have a cleaning blitz about every 6 months, not every month, to tackle the things like backs of radiators and whatever else has got missed]

Yes, I and my partner have only 1 child and no long commute yet cannot find the time to keep the house tidy.

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slightlyirritable · 29/05/2016 16:16

NapQueen we did 5 hours straight this morning while they looked after her.

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NotYoda · 29/05/2016 16:18

Also, suggest she gives your DH grief instead, since he's your partner in all this

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NotYoda · 29/05/2016 16:19

Ha!

Backs of radiator get tackled about once a decade here

Honestly, I think I'm fairly average, and it sounds as if you are too

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HumpMeBogart · 29/05/2016 16:19

Your mum told you that you 'live in squalor' - that was extremely rude of her. Would you go to a friend's house and say that?

My best friend has a very untidy house but I don't comment on it because it's none of my business! When I visit, I'm there to see her and her ds, not to criticise her housekeeping.

Don't be so hard on yourself. You didn't make your mother cry - she 'wound herself up'. As a pp said, you are NOT responsible for her emotions.

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Wolpertinger · 29/05/2016 16:21

Ok so no daughter issues but you do have serious mother issues!

If your mother 'gave' you her old house then part of her probably still sees it as hers. The same part that sees you as a little girl not a 45 yr old with a responsible full time job, a successful marriage and a child of her own!

So when she is telling you off for not tidying she is basically not acknowledging you as an adult but also that you are not looking after 'her house'. And you are hiding under the duvet in a child role because you have let her down. Somehow you need to find a way to communicate on an adult to adult level.

Backs of radiators - I have a cleaner and I still don't know WTF they are Grin I am 99.9% certain you have a normally tidy house but a relationship with your mother that is stuck with you age 9 or 10.

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Oldraver · 29/05/2016 16:22

Crikey...your folks have a lot of involvement in your life dont they ?

I think when DD goes to school could you get her into childcare ? I think you need to be less reliant on them

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foodiefil · 29/05/2016 16:22

Can you not afford a cleaner?

We have one - once every two weeks, 4 hours = £40.

Your mum is exerting her standards on you but as a fellow full time worker with a partner who works full time - with a two hour commute and mixed shifts I say if you can afford it - get a cleaner. Worth their weight in gold. Think of the sanity!

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slightlyirritable · 29/05/2016 16:23

MrsJoeyMaynard thank you.

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SquinkiesRule · 29/05/2016 16:25

We bought my mothers house cheaply too. I warned her before completion that it would be ours and not to get annoyed and upset that it wasn't decorated or kept to her standard but ours. She said she'd be fine, and she still has an occasional wobble, but we all laugh and remind her it's ours now. She gives her head a wobble and gets on with life.
Don't let the fact you bought from her and she used to live there let her dictate to you.
Please stick up for yourself better. She's playing you with the tears.
I agree with whoever said that a weekly cleaner for a couple o hours would be better than the long winded cleaners coming in to blitz it all.
Also don't let your DDd play you from the other end, as the parents you have every right to override where the veg is kept and what is and isn't done. She's still learning so teach her well to be more respectful of you and your Dh than your mother is.

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slightlyirritable · 29/05/2016 16:25

Wolpertinger Bingo!

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witsender · 29/05/2016 16:26

You do need to have mega firm words if your standards aren't as bad as she thinks. She feels a level of ownership over your life because you give it to her by getting her to do childcare, be around all the time. You haven't grown up from that relationship. And tbh, you sound very passive and borderline chaotic, none of the decisions seem to be made by you so she probably feels 'needed' to step in like this.

A) Get a cleaner once a week
B) Work on sleep. She is 4, and has a level of understanding greater than a baby. Yes, neither of my kids were sleepers.
C) There NEEDS to be some level of control over what goes on in the house. Veg lives in the fridge, why does the 4 yr old get to decide?
D) Declutter. It will make tidying much easier.
E) Tell your mother that you love her, but you are a grown woman. No more strops, guilt trips or interfering. No coming round after school and waiting. Find independent childcare and go back to a relationship based on wanting to see each other.

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Mouseinahole · 29/05/2016 16:26

My house keeping standards are not up to my daughter's! I am 72, she is 42. I do 3 after school pickups for her. My house is messy not dirty but she has 2 little boys whereas I have dh and cats.
We do not criticise one another's standards. Sometimes she comes and asks if she can tidy up, the answer is always yes 🙂
She hasn't made me cry except in a positive way since she was in her teens.
OP your situation is wrong and your mum needs to see that she is allowing something like 'yellow broccoli' to damage what should be a lovely relationship.
Your dd should not be deciding where you keep your veg.

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slightlyirritable · 29/05/2016 16:26

HumpMeBogart thank you

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slightlyirritable · 29/05/2016 16:27

SquinkiesRule should have read DH not DD re the veg. I will proofread better before posting!

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SanityClause · 29/05/2016 16:28

Your parents gave you their house. They give you free childcare.

They practically own you.

I think you either need to stand on your own two feet, and ask to be treated by an adult, or accept that the "gifts" come with the condition that you get to be treated like a child.

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littlemonkey5 · 29/05/2016 16:28

I am speaking from experience here and it is a "caution" FYI for you and your DD......

You need to watch out that the way your mother treats you does not have a devastating effect on your relationship with your DD. By undermining you, your DD will see that your mother has no respect for you as an adult and as children look to their GPs for support, she will lose respect for you. 'Nanna has no respect for Mummy, Nanna treats Mummy like a child, therefore, I don't need to listen to other children and that includes Mummy'
Your DD won't understand that Nanna should not talk to Mummy that way in her own house (or at all TBH), all she will see and hear is the way she speaks to you and that it is normal. Before the age of 4, children tend to copy but don't know why, after this age, they figure it out for themselves and that could be a problem here.

I am still trying to undo this scenario x 3. I don't live with my Mum any more but I did have to and we went through a rough patch whilst living with my Parents when my Dad suddenly passed away (18 months now) Sad and the children's ages ranged from 6yrs to 2yrs which was the worst possible ages for them (not that any age is good to lose your last granddad, but anyway....).

No matter what the reason for your mother to react, nip it now before you get some serious problems with your DD later. It could also be that she is picking up on the tension and language now and why she is not sleeping well..........

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ExtraHotLatteToGo · 29/05/2016 16:29

💐☕️🍾🍫 should cover most bases!!

You sound exhausted & depressed and frankly I'm not surprised.

If I was you, I'd start with your DD. I know she's lovely - but she's not 'The Boss' YOU are and if you don't get that sorted now you are going to be in for a hell of a time with her, and setting up her for a hard time at school. Children need to understand who is in charge ie the ADULT at home & at school. 4 year olds don't get to make decisions about where vegetables are kept, they just don't. Then sleep, unless she has an illness or Sen then she needs to be taught to sleep through. Explain to her that she's a big girl now, almost at Big School and that big children need their sleep. It's not play/cuddle/feck about time. Tell her she needs to learn to go back to sleep. Ensure her room is a comfortable temperature, that her bed/bedding is comfortable, that she has a spill proof drink of water and access to the bathroom (might need a small plug in night). First time you need to go in do not cuddle, engage, chat - just say 'it's the middle of the night DD, go to sleep'. After that, just go in, put her back in bed, leave. All night if you have to. Do not discuss the whys and wherefores at night. You can explain again the next day. Rinse & repeat. It might take a few night, but it will be worth it. Give DH these instructions too & he can do his share and she can see you have a united front.

Once you are gettng a decent nights sleep you will either have the energy to tidy/clean a bit more or the resilience not to let your mother get to you.

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NotYoda · 29/05/2016 16:30

Sanity

I know what you are saying, but I think the OP also needs to know that plenty of us get a lot of help from our parents without conditions attached.

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NotYoda · 29/05/2016 16:31

.... and also give help, of course!

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YouTheCat · 29/05/2016 16:32

I'd look into after school care for your dd, for September. Maybe allow your mother to have her on a Saturday morning so you can have a blitz if that's what works for you.

Your dd is old enough to understand that bedtime is sleeptime. She goes to bed and stays in her room. She also doesn't get to decide where you keep the veg. How would that work out if she decided that meat was to be kept out of the fridge? Would you just let her do it?

You sound like you need to take back a bit of control from both your mother and your dd.

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foodiefil · 29/05/2016 16:33

Whoops sorry - didn't read far enough to see that you do have cleaners! Get them in every week. Also - if you see a bit of shit, do something about it. Little and often.

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RJnomore1 · 29/05/2016 16:33

Look pet, it sounds like your mother has some mental health and control issues, it's not normal to be this wound up about yellow broccoli in someone else's house.

You need to find a way to make sure her issues are not effecting your relationship with your own dd and right now they are, you are hiding rather than spending fun time with your family and it's because of something your mother said.

Only you know how you find a way to stop it interfering but you need to do it.

And don't sweat the broccoli...

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