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shinyredbookcase · 18/05/2016 21:59

On paper, I have the perfect life. I have a well paid job I love with flexible (but long hours). I have healthy, happy children and a nice house in a nice area. DH is a stay at home dad and he's really good at it, very committed and involved with the children, has great relationships with each of them and additionally he is very practically supportive of me. I have friends and get out to see them once or twice per month.

DH hasn't touched or spoken to me - other than practical things to do with the kids, without making eye contact - for twelve days. We've not had sex for a month, and we rarely have sex more than once per month. I can't remember the last time we spent time together alone: once the kids are in bed he says he needs time alone and spends time on his computer or out running. I've checked his phone and computer (there are no passwords) and there's no porn, weird emails etc. He is a bit less tech savvy than me but more than capable of a secret phone / private browsing etc. Though I just don't see it in his character.

I've tried to speak to him about the coldness and distance in our relationship and his lack of interest in any kind of emotional or physical contact with me many times. His parents are the same and but he knows I don't consider this normal and that I am unhappy. He knows the very specific things he does that make me feel unwanted and unhappy. He's asked me to initiate sex and tell him I want to spend time together in the evenings, but when I do he consistently turns me down - he's either tired, needs time alone, had planned to watch something on the television, etc etc etc.

I've been blunt with him - he says he isn't gay and he doesn't masturbate. There's no health problems that I know of - he eats well, is physically fit. I am of average appearance but no different to when we met. A tiny bit heavier but of medium build and good personal hygiene. I shower before bed.

I understand a SAHP needs time alone to recharge and can get 'touched out' but our kids at school age and the youngest is just finishing Year One so for the past two years he's been alone 9-3.15 every day. He does the bulk of the housework but I clean bathrooms, do ironing and cooking at weekends and share the school drop offs.

I'm not sure where to go from here. I've asked him if he wants to split up and he says the children need him, he is planning a professional IT course to get him back into work now the kids are all at school, and that I'm asking too much. I can't imagine the rest of my life like this.

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bexta · 18/05/2016 22:48

My husband behaved like this for 2 years (he wasn't a SAHD) and it got to the point where, after a couple of counselling sessions, we separated and he moved out. It was really tough and we all found it hard (we have 2 DCs aged 11 and9) but they realised that the atmosphere was so much better as there was no tension there anymore. There was no one else and I am absolutely convinced that he had some kind of midlife crisis. Having the space made him truly realise what he was giving up and we are now in the process of trying again. It's really tough and I'm sure that some people would think that I'm a doormat for taking him back but it's on my terms. It sounds like your DH is depressed but you deserve to be treated well and to feel love if you are showing the same feelings towards him. If he's not prepared to do things to save your marriage then you need to make steps to move on. He may then realise what a complete arse he's been!!!

bridgetoc · 18/05/2016 22:49

Does he still love you? Has he always been emotionally distant? Has your relationship at some point been a lot more physically intimate than now. Perhaps you could ask him if you could have a boyfriend, but one that does not interfere with your family unit?

Coroico97 · 18/05/2016 22:50

Could he be a bit bitter and resentful of what he perceives to be your, perhaps, more interesting day to day life? Sounds like he is quietly stewing about it. He knows he is making you unhappy but maybe it's a power thing. Only power he feels he has? Possibly hates himself for it too which won't help. As you can see, he is in a massive rut I think. Course sounds great though. Am so sorry. Must be so hard.

grumpysquash3 · 18/05/2016 22:52

It sounds like you don't want to leave at all. I'm a bit confused why you keep suggesting it.
You want him.

What does he want?
I think it's very difficult when your roles are very different......I really hope it works out for you both.

shinyredbookcase · 18/05/2016 22:58

Bread Widow - it was mainly circumstances. We both wanted kids. In practical terms, I earned much more and he hated his job. He could have gone back to work or training at any time and I have also been dead clear that if he worked part time, I would work part time too. I feel like he's had a lot of choice and that I've had less choice. It's lucky I like my job, because even if I didn't it would be on me to earn.

Bexta - I'm so sorry you've been through similar. Has your DH ever explained what was going on in his head at that time? I am genuinely mystified as to why my DH is still here when to all intents and purposes he doesn't actually like me that much, so any insight you can share would be much appreciated.

Bridgetoc - I don't think he does. I think he loves the kids and our house and the choices he has to take his time over deciding on his next steps because we are together. He doesn't really seem sexually interested in me and doesn't really ask me what I think or feel about things. But then again - he is a marvel in practical terms. He will text me to see if I want a lift from the train station if he sees it is raining, for example. He's very considerate in that way.

Corioco97 - I've wondered about that too. I could understand it if I had actively prevented him from doing anything he wanted to do, but I really don't think I did - and if I did, I'd expect him to tell me. He has LOADS of freedom and spare time during the day and could do pretty much whatever he wants - he has the car, money, he's intelligent etc. He just seems pretty uninterested in anything. I do wonder, a lot, about depression but he's sort of always been like this. We didn't have a stellar sex life to begin with but I thought he was shy.

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shinyredbookcase · 18/05/2016 22:59

Grumpysquash3 - I don't want to leave. But I don't want this life either. And I can't force him to want me. So I have to accept that he doesn't want me and we have a practical arrangement, or I have to leave. I think leaving would be worse, but I am terrified of looking back on my life in 20 years time and realising I could have been properly loved by someone, and never took the chance to have that happen because I was waiting for a change that never occurred.

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sallyjane40 · 18/05/2016 23:00

It does sound as if he finds it really hard to think about feelings or express them - good or bad :-/. You mentioned that he disliked the idea of an in-house separation, or you having a boyfriend, and while it might seem like he is completely unemotional, having that suggested may have been very hard for him to hear, he may have felt completely rejected, which may have in turn made him less likely to connect with you. I'm not at all blaming you for feeling that way, pleeeease don't think I'm suggesting it's your fault - I'm not - but I think it sounds like you're both unintentionally making the other one feel worse, because you're both feeling lost, and unhappy?
Counsellors are very varied in style, so I really think it's worth trying to find one who suits you better - maybe you could find one who you can talk to initially, which might help you to make sense of how you feel. Then, you could try to get OH along if possible.
You probably cannot make him into a chatty, warm type, but if you can both understand why the other one behaves as they do, and get back to some of the qualities which attracted you at the start, you may both be able to learn to appreciate one another's finer points again, and to accept the areas where you're different without being hurt.

Deeppansexual · 18/05/2016 23:00

He might be impotent, or just really selfish, or horribly depressed, or ... you get the picture. I'd insist on some kind of counselling tbh, if I didn't just want to cut & run.

shinyredbookcase · 18/05/2016 23:03

I think it is going to have to be counselling. I've looked up relate before and we live fairly near the office in our city. I live in fear of him feeling controlled - because of our SAHP situation I don't want him to think I wear the trousers - but I guess I will just book it and invite him to come.

SallyJane40 - he has never, never, ever in all our conversations about this - even when I've been very emotional and saying, 'if you don't want to have sex with me, why shouldn't I have it with someone else' said or even hinted that he wants to leave. Not once. I've been the one to do that, and I think you're right that he could have been hugely hurt by that. I admire his loyalty and his dependability and perhaps he doesn't feel I am committed in the same way. Perhaps he feels a bit trapped by the financial situation. I have literally no idea but thanks for the suggestion.

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shinyredbookcase · 18/05/2016 23:05

Deeppansexual - not sure it is a physical problem. The rare times we are together, everything seems to work as it should. He has a weird habit - he WILL NOT have 'just for him' sessions, and he won't come before I do (TMI). He's very controlled about that. It is part of what makes him a really generous and considerate lover, but I also wonder - sometimes - if he just doesn't want to feel 'in my debt'. I wouldn't consider it like that - not at all - but I wonder if he does.

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Deeppansexual · 18/05/2016 23:07

What brought you together? What drew you in and bound you at the beginning?

Breadwidow · 18/05/2016 23:10

Someone earlier said you are coming from very different perspectives - I think that is probably an issue. You feel (like me) that you have had fewer choices, but he may feel the opposite (I know my DH does, think I have it sweet even though I'd love to work PT) so you both build resentment even though no one is to blame. He may not realise he's been so cold. He could also feel a lack of power like Corico described but may not realise what he's doing is a way of exerting power. I think counselling would help to get to the bottom of these issues, you need to find something/someone who you are both comfortable with. It may be good for you to see someone individually at first?

shinyredbookcase · 18/05/2016 23:12

I really loved how sensitive and respectful he was. I liked how he was self contained and seemed to enjoy his own company and not need to impress people or have other people praise him. The fact that I was the only one he let into his life made me feel special - like he picked me. He's very very very good looking. He shares my values - takes things like parenthood very seriously. We have similar political beliefs and they are important to us too. We have (used to have) the exact same weird sense of humour. We both have fairly complicated family histories and unusual backgrounds, and it was really nice to share that oddness with someone else. He really seemed - when we first started going out - to be curious about me and what was important to me and how I thought about things. I found that interest in what was important to me really appealing.

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shinyredbookcase · 18/05/2016 23:13

I would see someone individually but then I'd wonder if he'd feel a bit ganged up on and like he was going into the lion's den. I know it wouldn't be like that, but I think he might feel it was.

I'm going to ring tomorrow.

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porridgecarver · 18/05/2016 23:14

Your DH sounds a little like my ex and I a few years ago. He wasn't the SAHP, I was, but he grew very distant and acted in similar ways. He eventually went to the Drs and was diagnosed with depression but even then he never really talked and six months later he met someone at work and started having an affair with her because apparently "she understood him more than I did". It doesn't sound like your DH is having an affair but I do think that if we had tried counselling when we first started feeling unhappy and been able to talk we maybe wouldn't have ended up where we are now. Splitting up has made me feel a lot happier within myself and I do now have a much more fulfilling relationship with a new partner but it is bloody hard co-parenting etc. I would really encourage you to try all that you can to try and improve things for you both, hopefully it will work but if it doesn't you will at least have the peace of knowing you tried everything you could.

shinyredbookcase · 18/05/2016 23:15

I will porridge. No matter what, we're going to be closely involved in each other's lives for years to come because of the kids, and I'd much rather we were in a full and proper relationship than co-parenting.

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Deeppansexual · 18/05/2016 23:17

Sounds like there's lots of reasons to work for this one.. good luck. Definitely counselling sounds good. And work on the laughing too, even before the sex. Laughing together again :)

bridgetoc · 18/05/2016 23:20

If he doesn't love you what is the point! Unless he wants you to be together for practical reasons, or for the sake of your children! If that is the case, and you agree to that, you are entitled to get physical affection from someone else!

Iknownuffink · 18/05/2016 23:24

Op do you ever thank him when he puts a meal on the table?

Are you taking him for granted without realising it?

He may be feeling like a doormat who is there only to satisfy your needs.

VioletBam · 18/05/2016 23:26

It worries me that you say in the event of a split, you could find somewhere to live and support you and the kids. I think there's every reason to think that if you did split, he would want custody of the children as main carer.

I also think however, that as others have said, he sounds depressed. I have been a SAHP for ten years....though I've worked on my own small business which has flourished recently.

What you describe is actually the way I was for a while....I was cold and not affectionate.

Being a SAHP does affect your confidence too.

porridgecarver · 18/05/2016 23:27

If nothing else if you can talk it may mean you can work better if you do separate. My x is very angry that I divorced him after I found he was having an affair and now over 3 years down the line he is still trying to hurt me in numerous ways.

Perhaps he doesn't "feel the love" at the moment but I think if thats the case it needs to be faced so at least the OP knows. It is the not knowing that is making things hard. If she finds he doesn't love her then I'm not suggesting she stays, just that counselling will hopefully help them to get to the bottom of what the problem actually is and then they can decide if it is something fixable

xax1980 · 18/05/2016 23:31

My partners X wife changed hers on FB recently. I'm pretty sure she still uses it for school stuff as they have 2 children. I don't think yabu at all. I understand why people don't change their surname when they divorce, but personally speaking when I separated from my X I didn't want his surname!

porridgecarver · 18/05/2016 23:34

SAHP did affect my confidence, I often felt that I was just there to serve everyone else and I felt unvalued, esp as the children get that bit older and you become the one they moan at/take out their stresses on. I didn't feel like i got any recognition for what I was doing and it was only ever mentioned when I didn't do something. I am not suggesting that is what it is like in your home but it might be something to consider. I found that babies and toddlers were quite rewarding to care for as its pretty easy to make them happy but sulky school aged kids can make you feel a bit of a skivvy and know how to push your buttons!

shinyredbookcase · 18/05/2016 23:40

Porridge that is all really ringing a bell with me. I can imagine that he feels tied to the house, tied to organising what the kids need for school, trips, homework, appointments etc - and responsible for all the administrative work involved in running a home as well as the practicalities of caring and cooking. A lot of that is HUGELY thankless and invisible work in the way that my work is not - my work is rewarded with money, is, to be frank, less boring and I do get appreciation and external (I mean, out in the world) recognition for my professional role. I think it is really really easy for me to forget that.

I think it is very possible he feels taken for granted and unappreciated. I wonder if he feels that there are a lot of demands on him - and he's thinking about the emotional and physical contact that I need from him as another demand. He certainly acts that way - like it's another job he doesn't have time or energy for.

Iknownuffink - that is a very very very good point. We've all got into the habit recently of eating separately. He eats with the kids, I grab my plate and eat alone when I get in from work - and he's usually starting the bed and bath routine by that point. I don't FEEL like I take him for granted, but I can see that it could look that way to him.

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sallyjane40 · 18/05/2016 23:41

I really hope you can get somewhere with counselling and sorting it out - the way you describe what drew you to him, it sounds great! We're rooting for you :-) Flowers!