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to be a bit embarrassed by friend in restaurant?

415 replies

Elena567 · 18/05/2016 11:36

I have a feeling I might get flamed for this.

Every Thursday after work me and a few friends from the office try a different restaurant each week. All of us are foodies, we like to dine out and try different cuisines, and have a few glasses of wine etc.

Last week however I'd planned to give it a miss because an old friend of mine, who I know from my home town since our teens, was meeting me after work. I work in a major city so the plan was to show her sights and have dinner/drinks just the two of us. My old friend knows how I usually spend my Thursday evenings, and when she arrived she said she'd like to meet my friends at work and tag along. Instantly, I felt this wouldn't be a good idea for a few reasons.

A) She's an extremely fussy eater, I'm not over exaggerating, there's only a handful of dishes she'd be prepared to eat. She isn't very open minded about trying different cuisines, the most "exotic" food she has eaten is probably a pizza. My friends were going to a Malaysian place that night, and knew she'd turn her nose up at it.

B) She's quite stingy. Whenever I've gone out for something to eat with her before, it's always been at this one pub in our hometown, she won't go to the other because the Fanta there is £1 dearer (seriously). She thinks dining out in general is a waste of money. Malaysian restaurant is quite expensive.

C) She's quiet and timid around new people. She's absolutely fine with me when it's just us, but that's only because we have known each other since secondary school. My friends at work are a lot more talkative and opinionated. With the best will in the world, I just felt like she wouldn't fit in well.

I told her they were eating at said restaurant tonight and subtly mentioned it was quite expensive. That was met with a "Oh well I'm sure they'll be something on the menu I'd eat". I wasn't sure what else to say at that point, so went along with it.

We get there, quick introductions and start to order drinks. We all decide to share a few bottles of wine. My colleague asks my friend what sort of wine she's likes. Friend just orders tap water and says "Oh I'm not drinking tonight I can't afford it". Awkward. She can afford it she's just ridiculously tight with money, the bottles on the menu were reasonably priced. I brushed it over and told her not to worry about it I'd cover it, but she decided to stick to tap water. Menu's arrive and she turns her nose up at everything, complains that all the dishes look too 'complicated' or expensive. In the end she asked the waiter for a simple vegetable dish (that wasn't on the menu) with no spices.

The food arrives, we're all drinking wine and trying each others dishes in a tapas style set up, while she's sat there with her tap water and pushing her vegetables around with her fork, not really engaging. In the end she left half her food. My colleagues tried to bring her out her shell, but she wasn't talking much, and when she did she was very quiet. I think they were beginning to find her hard work.

At the end of the meal we all fancied some coffee, all of which was Asian style. My old friend wanted 'normal' coffee, and said if everyone else was getting coffee there she'd go the supermarket next door and get a takeaway one from the machine and bring it back! Hmm Confused My colleague told her in the politest way that the restaurant might have an issue with someone consuming drinks that weren't bought on the premises. My friend just pouted at my colleague then looked back down on the menu and tutted. At this point there's a lot of tension and my colleague looks to the rest of us as if to say "What did I say that was so wrong?"

We'd usually split the bill equally but she decided to only put down what she'd spent (fair enough, she'd ordered a lot less than us and didn't drink). But she counted everything down to the last penny, and she asked how she'd go about getting her 70p change, as she only had notes and £1 coins on her Blush She also didn't contribute to the tip because she didn't like the food.

This morning I've received a Facebook message from her saying that last week was fun and that we should all do it again the week after next! Fun? She was difficult all night and barely said a word. It didn't look like she was having fun to me.

AIBU to not invite her again?

OP posts:
Hissy · 21/05/2016 14:57

I would make sure that all your colleagues know that to delete her from FB or ignore her is completely their call and that they should under no circumstances feel they have to have any contact with her out of politeness, I would absolutely tell them what you said in the message to her and for them to tell her how it is if they want to.

iminshock · 21/05/2016 15:24

Why are you even posting this Smile?

MeMySonAndl · 21/05/2016 15:54

What a nightmare! She really is not bothered about imposing herself into the other group even against your will. They are your friends, your patch and your life, forcing herself into it unvited sounds quite... Obsessive and unhealthy.

I would be open with your colleagues at work, and mention that you felt forced into it and you, as them have not enjoyed having her there. And yes,tell them that she is pushing hard to come again and that you would appreciate if they could help to keep her out of the game by not sharing information about meet ups with her.

I'm sure they will be happy to help, but I also think that you both have grown in different ways where your worlds do not meet so, it may be better to drop this friends (but just because she is so entitled to push herself into your world).

Homebird8 · 21/05/2016 22:39

Elena, if your partner wouldn't let you see your friends without them there, and started to tell you that your friends weren't nice people and that they were rude and thoughtless, I think we would all see that as a big red flag. That sort of behaviour is unhealthy and controlling.

I wouldn't mix this friend with anyone else you know. It definitely doesn't work with this group of colleagues and you may lose other friends over it if she works her way in and you get pushed out because of her behaviour.

MeMySonAndl · 21/05/2016 22:48

Funny that you mention that Homebird, when I was reading her posts I felt like asking if she was married to her. Red flags all the way.

Homebird8 · 21/05/2016 23:22

I agree MeMySonAndI. The OP was about a particular situation of mixing this friend with the work crowd. If Elena wants to open the subject up regarding the whole 'friend' relationship I think we'd soon spot plenty more red flags.

mynamesnotMa · 22/05/2016 09:45

Just don't invite her. .
You are not friends running her down behind her back thinking such dark thoughts. Knowing she is not good in those cirsumstances.

reup · 22/05/2016 09:55

Sorry if someone's asked before but what is her art like?

MeMySonAndl · 22/05/2016 10:03

Mynames, read the OP posts, the woman is deranged and won't take even direct requests not to join the group.

Porcupinetree · 22/05/2016 10:34

You sound like you do not like this person so I'm not really sure why you have to ask. You do not like her and therefore you are not friends.

Clangersarepink · 22/05/2016 10:43

OP, have you considered the possibility that your friend is on the Autistic spectrum?

Struggles with new people.
Finds groups difficult but is fine one-on-one.
Inflexible.
Unaware of social conventions.
Unaware of how friendships work.
Doesn't notice social cues.
Expects the behaviour of others to be entirely rational and straight-up.
Doesn't like unusual food or drink.
The need to be exacting with small details, such as money.

That's all stuff commonly found in the behaviour of someone with Asperger's.

It's quite possible she did enjoy the evening, and it's quite possible she really does think the other people would say something if they didn't like the way she behaved. It's also likely she didn't realise anything she was doing was abnormal.

To some of the other posters, please understand that lots of people on MN are ASD. It's a useful tool because there's such a wealth of information on how real relationships work. Equating a lack of social awareness with being nuts is really not a very helpful way to approach this problem.

GarlicShake · 22/05/2016 11:11

To some of the other posters, please understand that lots of people on MN are ASD. - Yes, and lots of them have posted on this thread, saying it's not Spectrum-related behaviour as far as they know.

And they read the thread.

GarlicShake · 22/05/2016 11:18

Equating a lack of social awareness with being nuts - Oops. You do realise that a lot of MN posters have mental illnesses, don't you? Implying that rude behaviour is "nuts" is really not very helpful.

Besides which - Even if someone has an ASD and another mental disorder, their friends aren't obliged to alter their own social life to suit that person.

3dogsandacat · 22/05/2016 11:37

We must have the same acquaintance. She always sits there with her tap water and the plainest most boring food on the menu.
It puts a dampener on the evening. It makes .e wonder we y they come along if they're not going to enjoy themselves.

YouTheCat · 22/05/2016 11:41

I know quite a lot of people with Aspergers. None of them would continue to behave in this manner when everything has been so plainly explained.

The friend is just a self-absorbed twat.

EvieT49 · 22/05/2016 12:06

Op
Thing is - she is your friend. You both enjoyed evenings out doing certain things before this, and you knew what her peculiarities were.
It seems like you have talked about your evenings out with your colleagues and they sounded fun to her - to the point where she thought she'd like to join in.
Perhaps she didn't understand the group rules before she came out with you, but she obviously enjoyed herself that night more than you did having her there.
Perhaps you should just have an evening out ~ just the two of you, doing something the two of you enjoy. That must have been what you valued before. One 'friendship' doesn't have to cancel out the other...
You could even have one last attempt at including her in the group at a place of her choice ~ you never know, but tell her how much you valued the evenings where it was just the two of you...?

MeMySonAndl · 22/05/2016 12:11

She has suggested that already, she didn't want a one-to-one with the OP, she wanted to come along again instead even when the OP pointed out the annoying behaviours.

Instead of listening to the OP she went and messaged the OP's friends via Facebook asking to meet again.

EvieT49 · 22/05/2016 12:40

Perhaps she could let her choose the next venue and see how that goes? Of be straight and say. Sorry ~ I'd just like to keep work and personal friends separate.
We all have our little quirks and it's not very nice having them pointed out and make them feel isolated rather than a valued friend.
Alternatively, if she doesn't to want to be friends with her anymore - perhaps she should just end the friendship and be find with it? X

EvieT49 · 22/05/2016 12:41

*done with it

MeMySonAndl · 22/05/2016 13:00

Read the thread Evie. Would you offer someone who is acting like a stalker choose a venue to meet at, when the only thing you elegant is for her to make herself scarce?

MeMySonAndl · 22/05/2016 13:00

Want, not elegant. Hate the autocorrect...

MeMySonAndl · 22/05/2016 13:05

RTFT (Or at least the OP's posts)

AyeAmarok · 22/05/2016 13:36

She just sounds like far too much hard work.

Friendship shouldn't take this much effort and management.

AnotherPrickInTheWall · 22/05/2016 21:47

I have a few good friends. I do understand that they wouldn't all get along with each other and I'm certain that some of my friends understand that some of their friends wouldn't hit it off with me.
I think most adults have this knowledge and accept we all have our differences and nuances.
You friend seems to not get this social " cue".

springydaffs · 23/05/2016 09:31

Dispiriting that someone would ditch a friend for being 'slightly awkward'. That would be me out, then Confused

Which makes me wonder what friends are actually for. Maybe we have different types of friends but don't we have friends, especially old friends, we actually love? And stick by when things go a bit off kilter.

That said, perhaps she's trying, in an inappropriate way, to forge a deeper level of relationship, more 'real', with you op - but your choice whether you want to take that up. She is single, I presume, and doesn't have that level of intimacy with anyone; it's not unusual for single people - or, indeed, creative people? - to instinctively try to carve out a deeper level of relating when those needs aren't being met in the conventional way.

But IMO she needs to bash this stuff out with a therapist, which would be a more appropriate place. She sounds very lonely/isolated and her world distorted.