Page 8 | Have labour missed an opportunity for not voting Andy Burnham as leader

Slutbucket · 2016-04-29T20:21:54+00:00

Not a corbyn hater I like him and think he is very principled in his ideology. However you see how Andy Burnham has conducted himself in the last week and challenged the Hillsborough enquiries and I can't help but think what if? He has showed that he is an excellent constituency MP, he's had experience as Secretary of State and I think he wouldn't be as divisive.

EnthusiasmDisturbed · 01/05/2016 11:10

So not all Jewish LP members think there is serious issue

And there is a problem on the right too

Oh and I nearly forgot the dead cat .....

Well let's see what comes out of the inquiry that apparently wasn't necessary two days ago but now is and is leading to prominent members speaking out about the issue

Viviennemary · 01/05/2016 11:19

I think Jeremy Corbyn is well meaning and sincere. But I simply don't agree with hi sspolicies. Andy Burnham talks so much common sense. Diana Abbott was a disgrace on the Andrew Marr programme this morning. I used to like her quite a lot but I don't now. She was so evasive and mealy mouthed. When AM talked about problems she called them issues. Pathetic. I agree whole heartedly. I might even vote labour if Andy Burnham was in charge.

Sixweekstowait · 01/05/2016 12:15

Well there'll be no enquiry into ZG's racism because that's seen by many Tories as quite quite acceptsble

GhostofFrankGrimes · 01/05/2016 12:35

Insincerity of the highest order.

This is not about anti-semitism it is about smearing Corbyn by any means necessary because as we learned with the "man who hated Britain" headline there's no such thing as scraping the bottom of the barrel.

If the right are such bastions of morality and social conscience lets look at discrimination and dubious political links "as a whole", lets looks at varied issues - off the top of my head - arms sales, gentrification, views on apartheid, Pinochet etc.

To pretend there is concern about anti-semitism (from the gutter press) does a great dis-service to all those who have suffered discrimination. I'd like a debate on discrimination but nobody is going to get a fair hearing when it is "trial by media".

Sixweekstowait · 01/05/2016 12:49

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-26059862

Didn't even suspend this MP - oh wait, he was a Tory, no one would have expected it

EnthusiasmDisturbed · 01/05/2016 13:43

I am a Labour Party member and I want an inquiry especially after so many LP senior members are speaking out

I was listening to Venessa Feltz when Ken made his comment and was shocked by the flippancy of his Hitler gone mad remark especially when talking to a Jewish woman

CoolforKittyCats · 01/05/2016 13:46

I am a Labour Party member and I want an inquiry especially after so many LP senior members are speaking out

Yep me to and so do I.

GhostofFrankGrimes · 01/05/2016 13:49

LP senior members are speaking out

Political opportunism. Careerists. Just the type of people we need leading the Labour party.

CoolforKittyCats · 01/05/2016 14:06

Political opportunism. Careerists. Just the type of people we need leading the Labour party

Oh yes those careerist MP like Dan Jarvis hey. Not had much of a life before becoming an MP has he

You do realise Corbyn has been an mp since 1983 don't you? Seems to be making quite a career out of it doesn't he.

GhostofFrankGrimes · 01/05/2016 14:18

You do realise Corbyn has been an mp since 1983 don't you? Seems to be making quite a career out of it doesn't he.

Vocation. Which is a huge difference from political maneuvering for your own ends, not what is necessarily best for the party, its membership or indeed, the electorate.

EnthusiasmDisturbed · 01/05/2016 14:31

Oh vocation nothing to do with the kudos he gains from being an mp for a party who he has constantly rebelled against

It's a bit of a mystery why he hasn't stood for the socialist Labour Party considering his views are far more in line with them

But then he wouldn't have a career as an mp would he

GhostofFrankGrimes · 01/05/2016 14:41

It's a bit of a mystery why he hasn't stood for the socialist Labour Party considering his views are far more in line with them

JC belongs to the Labour party of Nye Bevan, Tony Benn, the NHS and trade unionism.

Its the Blairites who need to check their loyalties.

Catvsworld · 01/05/2016 14:45

Corbin is not principled he wants out of the EU but is campaigning to say in dispite this

He is weak tbh I never thought that ed milliband would look primister material bet there gutted now the labour lot.

Roll on the election hopefully no losses for labour they can lerch from one faster to another and in fight and we can look forward to another Tory government

Onlyicanclean10 · 01/05/2016 14:48

Labour Party members who voted him in prefer opposition. It's more fun and easier. Of course he's not prime minister material.

howabout · 01/05/2016 15:05

My 4 year old was just sick all over me listening to Zac Goldsmith not trying very hard at all to defend his racist campaign against Sadiq Khan - my sentiments exactly.

I agree strongly with Ghost's posts on this thread.

On Andy Burnham I was impressed with his plans for integrating the NHS and social care structure during the election campaign. Had I been a Labour member I would probably have voted for him in the leadership election. However I watched QT on Thursday. His answer to the impact of high minimum wages acting as a pull factor was to raise mw across Europe via the EU. Understandably there was a mixed audience reaction ranging from anger to amusement. How can anyone watching austerity politics in Europe believe this is even a remote possibility. He looked like a naive unelectable fool, admittedly not helped by the big eyes and long eyelashes.

CoolforKittyCats · 01/05/2016 15:11

Its the Blairites who need to check their loyalties.

The irony of telling people to be loyal behind a leader who hasn't been loyal himself....

EnthusiasmDisturbed · 01/05/2016 15:14

No we just accept politics has moved to the centre

If the voters wanted to return to far left labour policies they would have shown that in there voting

That is why some started their own party they recognised politics has changed

GhostofFrankGrimes · 01/05/2016 15:30

The irony of telling people to be loyal behind a leader who hasn't been loyal himself....

If these so called Labour supporters put as much effort into challenging Tory policy as they do trying to undermine JC, I'm pretty such British politics would be in a far healthier place now.

I guess collateral damage is just fine if you get your own selfish gains in the end.

EnthusiasmDisturbed · 01/05/2016 15:36

I have been on marches I have voted labour I am a member of the LP attend local council meetings

I am well aware of the cuts that impact my work

But I also know when we have an unelectable leader who is stuck in politics of the past who will never ever be PM so while he leads the party we shall stay in opposition and a pitiful opposition it is at the moment even with everything handed to them on a plate

GhostofFrankGrimes · 01/05/2016 15:38

No we just accept politics has moved to the centre

Only if you let the press do your thinking for you. The election of Corbyn, the popularity of the SNP and UKIP (albeit through media promotion) suggests otherwise.

If the voters wanted to return to far left labour policies they would have shown that in there voting

Once again, Corbyn is not "far left" he is plain old "left". Stop believing tabloid hysteria.

That is why some started their own party they recognised politics has changed

Blairism is over. It was rejected in 2010. IIRC in 2005 Labour's vote share in GE fell from that huge majority in 97. The honeymoon period was 1997-2001. The void left by Blair/Campbell has been filled by Cameron/Crosby.

CoolforKittyCats · 01/05/2016 15:42

If these so called Labour supporters put as much effort into challenging Tory policy as they do trying to undermine JC, I'm pretty such British politics would be in a far healthier place now.

I do challenge.

I also campaign on the doorstep for Labour. Take part in CLP. Yep that's just how selfish I and my DH are....

Do you? Are you a party member?

EnthusiasmDisturbed · 01/05/2016 15:43

The lefty intellectual again telling life long labour voter and member for years who has come from the original grass roots voters the working class that I am not intelligent enough to make informed decisions and can only have been manipulated by the press

Nothing I haven't seen before

GhostofFrankGrimes · 01/05/2016 15:47

I have been on marches I have voted labour I am a member of the LP attend local council meetings

I have been on national demonstrations against Tory policy and there have been tens of thousands of people marching, sick of the status quo and that includes tired Blairite politicians.

But I also know when we have an unelectable leader who is stuck in politics of the past who will never ever be PM so while he leads the party we shall stay in opposition and a pitiful opposition it is at the moment even with everything handed to them on a plate

The only people who will lose Labour the next election are the Blairites. They are defying the democratic will of the Labour membership.They sit behind Corbyn in parliament arms folded looking forlorn. They act like petulant children too busy worrying about their own careers to realise British politics does not need a clone of the Tory party.

OrangesandLemonsNow · 01/05/2016 15:52

They are defying the democratic will of the Labour membership

Labour membership does not equal Labour voters.

GhostofFrankGrimes · 01/05/2016 15:54

The lefty intellectual again telling life long labour voter and member for years who has come from the original grass roots voters the working class that I am not intelligent enough to make informed decisions and can only have been manipulated by the press hmm

I'm working class, not sure about the "lefty intellectual" but then I'm not interested in pigeonholing people like that.

You continue to downplay the influence of the press over voters and politicians. Why else would someone like Murdoch spend millions of dollars of his own money buying up news agencies? Because he likes crosswords?