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Have labour missed an opportunity for not voting Andy Burnham as leader

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Slutbucket · 29/04/2016 21:21

Not a corbyn hater I like him and think he is very principled in his ideology. However you see how Andy Burnham has conducted himself in the last week and challenged the Hillsborough enquiries and I can't help but think what if? He has showed that he is an excellent constituency MP, he's had experience as Secretary of State and I think he wouldn't be as divisive.

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MiniMover · 30/04/2016 22:13

Oh I agree re the PC. That doesn't excuse him not being aware of its role and the involvement of the leader of the opposition.

GhostofFrankGrimes · 30/04/2016 22:50

Plus Laura Kuenssberg totally dismantled Jeremy Corbyn. How could he assume the office without understanding anything about the role including any Privy Council obligations?

Nobody with a brain cell gives a toss. Its more dead cat syndrome. Scruffy dresser, won't sing the national anthem. Ed Milliband - bacon sandwich.

Anything to distract from disastrous Tory policy.

BTW - politically the BBC are a joke, pandering to the lowest common denominator.

CoolforKittyCats · 30/04/2016 23:03

Nobody with a brain cell gives a toss.

Personal insults are so delightful.

As soon as you start being insulting you lose whatever point you may have.

As for things distracting from Tory policy.

Maybe just maybe a few days before elections KL shouldn't be wandering from disastrous interview to interview day after day after day.

No one was forcing him to do where they.

MiniMover · 30/04/2016 23:04

Actually, I think quite a few people (myself included) do give a toss.

The thing is, I'm reasonably educated, to post grad level. I wouldn't dream of being clever enough to be PM. I want my PM, whatever their political leaning, to be far cleverer than me. To have a greater world knowledge than me. To have better insight than me. To speak at least one additional language and be able to converse with leaders from across the globe having a basic knowledge of their political landscape and their internal pressures. I want him or her to command respect on the world stage for their intellect, their compassion and their diplomatic and political prowess. Thatcher had it as did Blair. Gordon Brown had the compassion and intellect in abundance but lacked the rest. David Cameron is a well educated, pragmatic chancer. I'm yet to be convinced on anything on offer and believe me I am desperate to be swept off my feet politically speaking.

OrangesandLemonsNow · 30/04/2016 23:05

Ghost

Are you a member of CLP? Have you been put campaigning?

EnthusiasmDisturbed · 30/04/2016 23:22

Ahh the intellectual left

far more concerned with having intellectual chats with like minded others than listen to what voters want, their concerns and fears

GhostofFrankGrimes · 30/04/2016 23:33

Personal insults are so delightful.

Its not a personal insult rather an indicator as to the depths political intellect and discourse have sunk when the burning issue of the day is whether someone kneels/bows or not.

As soon as you start being insulting you lose whatever point you may have.

I'll remember that the next time I'm watching PMQ's and Tory MP's heckle Corbyn.

As for things distracting from Tory policy.

Maybe just maybe a few days before elections KL shouldn't be wandering from disastrous interview to interview day after day after day.

Once again, its a dead cat.

No one was forcing him to do where they.

I couldn't care one way or the other, its a dead cat.

GhostofFrankGrimes · 30/04/2016 23:34

Are you a member of CLP? Have you been put campaigning?

No and no.

OrangesandLemonsNow · 30/04/2016 23:38

So you don't actually know what the people on the street are saying or members of the Labour Party?

GhostofFrankGrimes · 30/04/2016 23:39

far more concerned with having intellectual chats with like minded others than listen to what voters want, their concerns and fears

Since when did they electorate become one homogeneous group with the same "concerns and fears?"

CoolforKittyCats · 30/04/2016 23:39

Once again, its a dead cat.

So kicking out anti-semitism is a dead cat. Wonderful.

OrangesandLemonsNow · 30/04/2016 23:40

Since when did they electorate become one homogeneous group with the same "concerns and fears?

You seem to think they are and all want a left/very left Labour party.

EnthusiasmDisturbed · 30/04/2016 23:47

Have you been to a party meeting and not seen how quickly views that are different from the left of the party are closed down

How people have so little political intellect ....

Great attitude that comes through often loud and clear from the left it's a real vote winner as we shall see this week

Sixweekstowait · 01/05/2016 00:05

Cool - well yes it is actually. It's called the Lynton Crosby school of political campaigning - don't discuss the real issues, we'll distract you with something else. I'd have more respect for the people who are professing concern for the anti-semitism in the Labour Party if they were equally outraged by the disgusting - yes disgusting racism of Zac Goldsmith's ( backed by Cameron) campaign. Of course KL is a disgrace - but the idea that anti semitism is rife in the LP is a joke - as a general rule, the righter you move, the more ant Semitic you get. And BJ's description of a blac person's smile - which I won't repeat. And when I was campaigning on my local high street in the 80s agsinst apartheid, it was with LP members whilst the local Tories jeered at us, DC visited SA and the Conservstive student body wore 'Hang Mandela' badges and Thatcher called him a terrorist

CoolforKittyCats · 01/05/2016 00:10

I'd have more respect for the people who are professing concern for the anti-semitism in the Labour Party

Well as Labour Party member of many many years and as a I am Jewish I am professing my concern with or without 'your respect'

EnthusiasmDisturbed · 01/05/2016 00:13

So KL is in with the Tories Shock

I always knew he wasn't to be trusted

Sixweekstowait · 01/05/2016 00:16

I've also read and heard contributions from many Jeeish party members today who do not believe there is a deep rooted problem - it's a distraction ie dead cat. Of course it needs addressing where it exists but its all been overblown for a variety of motives whilst Zacs racist campaign is not being addressed other than in the Guardian

Sixweekstowait · 01/05/2016 00:18

No KL is in with himself - he just can't accept that his time has been and gone

CoolforKittyCats · 01/05/2016 00:24

I've also read and heard contributions from many Jeeish party members today who do not believe there is a deep rooted problem

So have I face to face and they disagree with you.

thecatfromjapan · 01/05/2016 00:25

I cannot believe how little the racism of Zac Goldsmith's campaign has been challenged or even interrogated. I keep waiting for the outrage to be voiced ... but nothing. Sad I believe that many people are outraged - but somehow that has not found any public representation. It's appalling.

squoosh · 01/05/2016 00:35

Zac Goldsmith is your common or garden posh, privileged Tory who's tried his best to trick people into thinking he's Mr Kind and Eco Caring.

It's not racist if it's said in a plummy accent doncha know!

Sistersweet · 01/05/2016 00:47

Bourdic, I don't know which Jewish members you heard from but none I heard or follow agree with you. I've been a labour voter all my life and I am utterly appalled and embarrassed that we have JC as leader. For all the reasons stated in an earlier post Labour desperately need someone like David Miliband or Dan Jarvis or pretty much anyone else. JC isn't a leader, he's a joke.

EnthusiasmDisturbed · 01/05/2016 01:04

KL career should be over it still might not be the left will be angry if he is sacked the centre of the party and many who support labour will be dismayed if he isn't

Let's not forget he choose to make the comment of hitler going mad to a Jewish woman

And it was a tongue in cheek comment

EnthusiasmDisturbed · 01/05/2016 01:05

My comment about KL siding with the Tories was tongue in cheek

Not KL's

Sixweekstowait · 01/05/2016 09:51

Sister - I heard Any Answers, read letters, articles in the Guardian and various online blogs. It is simpl not true that all Jewish Labour Party members buy into the slur that the LP is seriously anti Semitic. Although of course others do. I don't know how old you are, but all my politically aware life plus my understanding of history demonstrates that anti semitism was and is a fundemental tenet of the right .

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