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JF96 YNWA

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Bearlyknitted · 26/04/2016 12:32

27 years. Justice at last.

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AdoraBell · 27/04/2016 16:25

Just to clarify, I wasn't unaware of what had happened. I just didn't recognize the thread title because I don't use social media like Twitter or FB, so I don't automatically recognize hash tags.

In fact I was going to open the thread on the right of my screen under - In the News, entitled Hillsborough inquest reaches conclusion, but I was curious as to what this thread title meant so I opened it. I knew what the other would be. I had been watching the BBC and waiting for the announcement.

I have been astonished, since the day it happened, that anyone could believe what was reported by that rag that calls itself a newspaper because you only needed to see the TV news to see what actually happened.

MetalMidget · 27/04/2016 16:26

I was eight years old when it happened. I'm not a Liverpudlian, and I don't even like football, but it made an impact on me that so many were dead. Like a lot of people, I grew up with the 'knowledge' that it had been caused by hordes of ticketless fans breaking through the gates and causing the crush.

It's horrible that it's taken so long for the true extent of the mistakes, lies and coverups to come out. I was in tears this morning listening to the one mother recount her story.

HelenaDove · 27/04/2016 16:36

mammic a lot of the posts on this thread tick all those boxes in your previous post particularly on page 5

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/2623145-to-be-fed-up-with-the-bad-association-people-see-to-have-with-social-housing?pg=1

thebestfurchinchilla · 27/04/2016 16:37

I am relieved that finally these poor families have justice, what they should have had at the very start. Flowers

thesockgap · 27/04/2016 16:45

Lovely post mammamic I echo every word xxxx

Almostfifty · 27/04/2016 17:03

Everyone should try to listen to Andy Burnham's statement to Parliament today. Absolutely perfect in every detail.

Lilaclily · 27/04/2016 17:10

Mammamic
Your post at 12.02 is awesome and awe inspiring
Thank you

HelenaDove · 27/04/2016 17:36

YY Mammics post is the kind of post that gives hope Thanks

nauticant · 27/04/2016 17:42

I've just heard for the first time an allegation that the police put some of the Hillsborough campaigners under surveillance. No proof yet but obviously it's the kind of thing they would do.

mammamic · 27/04/2016 17:49

WindPowerRanger condescension was not the intent. I've read it again a few times and I don't think it is but if you read it as condescending, I can only repeat that this was not how I wrote it. I genuinely did not understand the comment at all and what it had to do with the thread - reading nauticant's comment - I see what you mean in relation to the events of the day.

And as I said in the original response to your comment, I agree with what you said - the context didn't reach my brain!

I don't recall saying that at that time, police treated ordinary people like scum. I did make a comment about how the ruling/governing entities and people in power have been trying to erode any social 'togetherness' for quite a while now and it was related to why the JFT96 is so important to us all (with the scum reference to how one subset of society has been described).

The comments I made were to paint a picture for the posters who may not have been aware of the full atrocity of what this was all about. I didn't post comments to start a negative exchange, apart from the S-Defender who clearly, just by having that name on this thread, obviously had negative intentions.

Written medium is so difficult to get the emotion behind the words, and I'm particularly bad at this as I'm very literal and sometimes misread things or convey things in a way that they are easily misconstrued. I'm not sure why my comment annoyed you. It wasn't meant to. I will now bog right off

mammamic · 27/04/2016 17:56

Just seen all the lovely comments - it's so empowering and hopeful when people connect. JFT96 is exactly that.

As long as the common man and woman remember that we have power and should use it, things can only get better.

mathanxiety · 27/04/2016 18:00

I agree Almostfifty.

. He did not mince words.
Roseanddagger · 27/04/2016 18:00

Watching the vigil with tears in my eyes.

HelenaDove · 27/04/2016 18:01

Im watching the BBC News channel it is truly humbling Thanks

thecatfromjapan · 27/04/2016 18:14

mammamic please don't worry about you ability to communicate.

I, for one, thought your post was excellent. I didn't post any response because there was no need.

I am looking forward to seeing Andrew Burnham tonight.

LittleMissBossyBoots · 27/04/2016 18:16

I've just watched the footage of the unfolding disaster that was seen in the country where I live. It's chilling listening to the commentary. One guy says 'this doesn't look good' and the other guy says 'well at least we know nobody is seriously injured because there'd be ambulances there if there was'. :(

Then just 6 minutes in they say that now they know what gone wrong, the gate was broken and ticketless fans had surged in. That's how quick the lie got round the world, before the truth had even been pulled out of the crush. :(

mammamic · 27/04/2016 18:17

HelenaDove - read some of that thread and had to stop (really getting pissed off!) - exactly what I was saying at the end of my original post. Very sad and will only get worse if we don't realise that we need to become communities again - different classes, colours, genders, ideas - different everything.

Hopefully, all the coverage and realisation of the masses of what has happened in very recent times right out in the open will start wheels turning and we will refuse to be pushed around.

Andy Burnham - perfect

queryonmurdoch · 27/04/2016 18:25

mammamic

You mentioned me earlier because of my previous post - I have changed my username to avoid causing further offence but you will recognise me.

After your lunchtime post I was tempted to respond but I figured I'd be damned if I do and damned if I don't. However your more recent posts have made me inclined to defend myself - not least from accusations of having negative intentions.

So - in your own words - you are allowed to misread things or get your words misconstrued but when some one else does (and apologises for it as soon as it's pointed out) you are still negative and condescending?

As I stated (perhaps badly) my intentions were never negative and I resent the implication. I am nether naive or goady - I live in Liverpool and I was in the city in 1989. I remember it very, very clearly thank you and have seen the impact on friends, relatives and colleagues.

I do not need a lecture from you or anyone else on what this means to everyone in Merseyside. An hour ago I walked past St George's Hall on my way home - I know the passion and pride that our city has. I have always been 100% supportive of the campaign for justice - I have never bought The Sun either.

Equally I am not ignorant about the power of the press, politicians and the ruling elite to subjugate people to ensure the status quo.

My initial query may have been badly worded - but whilst I accept and support the vitriol against The Sun and Maczenkie I genuinely wonder why is it not extended to Murdoch - who has ultimate responsibility. Why can LFC or EFC fans allow themselves to watch matches on Sky Sports but not buy The Sun?

HelenaDove · 27/04/2016 18:26

Mammmic YY YY There are many people fighting different battles all over the country.

Many people are not being listened to or believed simply because of the perception of the class they come from.

One of the women from the Hillsborough families who lost her son in the disaster said it was about much much more than football.

She is right.

laylabelle · 27/04/2016 18:27

One of the survivors from the Bradford fire who lost family members there was at Hillsborough in the Notts forest end and just said he couldn't understand why no one would open the gates until it seems was to late

Someone must have realised things weren't right and to then cover it all up in such a way.Just mistakes that proved so costly and they could've easily at the time held their hands up and admitted it was their fault but to keep it all going for so long....horrible but least now after everything it has all come out even though seems a long way to go still

HelenaDove · 27/04/2016 18:29

QueryonMurdoch. I remember an interview with an actor (i cant remember who it was) who hated Murdoch but was asked why he took jobs with TV companies / dramas made etc that were connected to Murdoch.

His answer? "Tbh Murdoch has his fingers in so many pies hes pretty hard to avoid!

Buddahbelly · 27/04/2016 18:38

mammamic Amazing. If there was a clap emoji Id fill a page for you.

The sun has done so much damage to this city which is based on nothing but lies and police cover ups, even to this day if i go abroad and someone hears my accent I get the looks & hear the whispers... watch your wallets, nail everything down... It stems from nothing more than a load of crap they've read and believed in from a piece of trash. The fact that this has stuck rather than the actual events as reported by other news outlets who admitted they'd made a mistake just show how intent the south yorkshire police were to keep on telling lies to cover themselves.

I hope the same people who think like this are watching the news today.

HelenaDove · 27/04/2016 18:46

Ann Williams and Margaret Aspinall. The true Iron Ladies Thanks Thanks

BestIsWest · 27/04/2016 19:13

Well said mammamic.

BoatyMcBoat · 27/04/2016 19:13

Murdoch's invasive presence is another piece of corruption indulged in by the powers that were.