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To think that shops and pubs are no place for dogs?

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Misssss · 02/04/2016 18:02

We went to the pub for dinner last night. It is a naice pub with a good menu. When we walked in at about 7.30pm there was a cacophony of barking because at least four dogs, owned by different people, had decided to "play," with each other.

This afternoon we were shopping at a little retail park. Lots of little handbag type dogs were being paraded round. One woman even let her two dogs walk all over the rugs on display.

Aibu to think that they shouldn't be there? Why can't the dogs be left at home. Obviously these weren't guide dogs, just pets.

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Peaceandloveeveryone · 03/04/2016 14:19

Actually, I posted a photo on a similar thread from our local beach where people were moaning about dogs. Three dirty nappies and a lot of broken glass. Let's ban them.

Peaceandloveeveryone · 03/04/2016 14:21

Of course the bagged poo was going to be picked up, it was left by the vicious dog so that it would be collected on the way out.

Peaceandloveeveryone · 03/04/2016 14:23

Oh look, proper research shows its roughly the same.

To think that shops and pubs are no place for dogs?
Scaredycat3000 · 03/04/2016 14:26

When puppies grow up into dogs and start paying taxes like humans then maybe they can have equal share in our human world.
I lead my DC away from dogs as discreetly as I can as I know the drama that ensues as I assure them it's fine and they remember past experiences and freeze anyway.

cruikshank · 03/04/2016 14:28

What does a toddler roaming around streets have to do with anything? It is not ok to leave a bag of poo anywhere at all and certainly not at a place where lots of toddlers and young children are going to be. Is this really such a difficult concept to grasp? And neither you nor I have any fucking idea at all if the bags of poo were picked up eventually; maybe they were, maybe they're weren't; however, they shouldn't have been left there at all.

Muskateersmummy · 03/04/2016 14:29

Genuinely don't think people are precious about their dogs, all the dog owners are saying is that if a place is dog friendly it's nice for them to take their dogs with them, or stop for a pint/meal after a long walk.

Ideally everyone should just be a bit more tolerant. Non doggy people either tolerate a dog asleep under a table in a bar or go to different bars that don't welcome dogs. And the dog owners try to be tolerant of those who don't like dogs by keeping them quietly under control. Surely it's not that hard?

As for the poo in a bag, dog owner picks up poo, puts it in bag to dispose of, leaves it next to dog as they collect their child, then gets dog and poo bag to head for home and bin the poo there. Is this really so terrible?! What else should the dog owner have done....

Peaceandloveeveryone · 03/04/2016 14:29

I have seen that argument before and it puzzles me. Do people on benefits not paying taxes count? Children definitely don't pay taxes and are a big drain, so they don't.

So animals can share space if they get their briefcase and hop on the 6:15 to London Bridge every day.

SuperFlyHigh · 03/04/2016 14:29

Going back a few years my grandad took all 3 of his dogs (different years, not all together as he had one after another) into London pubs... He was a good customer though and the dogs were smallish (Yorkie, Shelty, another terrier type).

My parents rarely were allowed to take out very well behaved Lab into a lot of pubs, but when we went abroad and a family friend dogsat (she was a puppy) they were allowed into the beer garden of a SE London suburbs pub.

I am sure though my mum took her Afghan hound (a real beast, scaled 7ft fences no problems and ran away...) into pubs, restaurants etc but this was 60s/70s and she was in advertising so again... Money talked!

I honestly don't care re dogs or children if they're behaved.

I have a friend who takes her rescue Staff into our local SE London pubs, cafes, etc and we see other dogs there, he's as good as good and it's not a rare site at all in London areas. Not exclusive to countryside at all!

SuperFlyHigh · 03/04/2016 14:30

My cousin also posted pics on FB of his long haired retrievers in a pub (just chilling) in Gloucester the other week.

GraysAnalogy · 03/04/2016 14:31

When puppies grow up into dogs and start paying taxes like humans then maybe they can have equal share in our human world

Hahahhhaa

You do realise it's us who have infringed on the rest of the animal kingdom right? We've destroyed habitats and rendered animals extinct to create this 'human world'.

We created modern day dogs, historically we had co-dependant relationships and study suggests that human evolutionary development was aided by canines.

We have a lot to thank them for.

loveMyWeeDog · 03/04/2016 14:31

Scardey you are passing on your irrational fears to your poor DC. The only drama is being caused by views that are both irrational and ignorant.

Peaceandloveeveryone · 03/04/2016 14:32

My DC as toddlers were a bit nervous of dogs, it's natural I think. Thankfully we dealt with it and they are big animal lovers and very much in to the environment and animal welfare. I am happy with how I brought them up.

I don't care if you don't like my dog, just don't demand that they be banned from all public spaces while your previous DC run around waving sticks and shouting.

cruikshank · 03/04/2016 14:36

TalkinPeace, not sure what you're trying to prove with the RTA statistics. That dogs are as dangerous as cars? Looks like it. I'm not a big fan of cars anyway and don't even own one atm - two wheels all the way, and both dogs and cars are a menace in terms of getting around by bike.

GraysAnalogy · 03/04/2016 14:38

What does a toddler roaming around streets have to do with anything? It is not ok to leave a bag of poo anywhere at all and certainly not at a place where lots of toddlers and young children are going to be. Is this really such a difficult concept to grasp? And neither you nor I have any fucking idea at all if the bags of poo were picked up eventually; maybe they were, maybe they're weren't; however, they shouldn't have been left there at all

Because the only way a toddler would have ever managed to stand in that bag of poo which was clearly to the side out of the way is if you weren't looking properly.

I think you're being precious and grasping at straws. The dog had a poo. The owner bagged it up. The owner needed to go into the school grounds so tied said dog up and left poo in a BAG on the floor. Then they would have collected both dog and poo when coming out. Fucking hell, lets phone the police this is clearly a crime against humanity. You do realise those bags are non-permeable right? Your toddler could play with it like it was sodding play dough and they'd be fine.

Just like I've seen parents leave nappies in nappy bags in places. Doesn't bother me, the poo isn't getting out.

Movingonmymind · 03/04/2016 14:38

Genuinely think a family dog is such a gift for dc- a bundle of fun, unconditional love and yet requires responsibility and care. Teaches them so much! My mother hates dogs and would never allow them, am so glad I overcame my fear of them as an adult so that I've not passed this on to my dc. Our ddog brings us much happiness and seemingly also to the many strangers we pass on walks judging by the amount who come up to pat ddog.

Peaceandloveeveryone · 03/04/2016 14:39

Wrong name but I will go with it. No, I was pointing out the hysteria about how dangerous dogs are- the statistics say otherwise. Maybe people should avoid using cars?

It's a little disingenuous to post injuries from dogs- which could be an overnight monitoring of a small skin wound (I have seen this as a nurse) or something much bigger, but to then omit RTA ones as after all, you were trying to disprove my point that you are far more likely to be injured by a car.

cruikshank · 03/04/2016 14:40

As for the poo in a bag, dog owner picks up poo, puts it in bag

mm-hmm, agreed

to dispose of,

You don't know that. They've just put it in a bag and left it there, is all we know.

leaves it next to dog as they collect their child, then gets dog and poo bag to head for home and bin the poo there.

How do you know? Did you watch this person?

Movingonmymind · 03/04/2016 14:40

But I do agree that there's no excuse for leaving poo bags lying around (double bag it, take it with you and put in the next bin) - fellow dog owners don't want to see them either or for letting your dog sniff/go up to someone unbidden. All about respect.

GraysAnalogy · 03/04/2016 14:42

So now you're waging your war on this dog owner and trying to slate them on something you can't even proved happened.

Innocent until proven guilty is it not?

And why on earth would they bother to pick it up, bag it, and leave it next to their dog if they were going to leave it there? Bollocks.

Peaceandloveeveryone · 03/04/2016 14:42

It's obvious to me that it was left to be picked up with the dog when the owner was off the school grounds. Probably was photos of that too.

PUGaLUGS · 03/04/2016 14:42

We take our well behaved dog to pubs and cafes, obviously check first that she is allowed in. She doesn't dribble everywhere or do random barking and doesn't get in anyone's way.

I don't take her into shops - only Pets At a home where dogs are allowed. Oh sorry, I took her into the local cobblers last Thursday but I did ask if it was ok to take her in.

Peaceandloveeveryone · 03/04/2016 14:44

Our cobbler has dog chews on the counter Pug, it's lovely round here.

cruikshank · 03/04/2016 14:49

Peaceandloveeveryone - sorry I got your name wrong - like I said I'm no fan of cars so no argument from me that people should avoid using them when possible. But if we're talking disingenuous, then implying that the only harm dogs cause is 18 deaths in six years is a little misleading. In a lot of urban areas, irresponsible dog ownership is a real problem which of course is not the dogs' 'fault' as such (not sure you can ascribe 'fault' to any animal tbh). However the presence of badly-trained poorly-supervised dogs, the thousands of injuries caused by them and the fouling of paths, parks and other amenities that go with them has a negative impact on other citizens.

You do realise those bags are non-permeable right? Your toddler could play with it like it was sodding play dough and they'd be fine.

They're not hermetically sealed though, are they? I've lost count of the number of times one of my kids has stepped in one and it's squished over their shoe. I certainly wouldn't recommend it as a toddler play-thing.

Scaredycat3000 · 03/04/2016 14:50

The fence continues on for at least 3m where everybody else ties up their dog so no need to tie it to the only bit that that forced you to within 1/2m of the dog.
My child was paying no attention to the dog, he was running with a stick when the dog chased my son.
We created modern day dogs Yes we did, to do specific jobs, now they are bred for looks, vanity of the owners to make a quick buck for breeders. Many are inbred and sick, often in discomfort and pain with expected illnesses from the generations of inbreeding.
Super, honestly the number and behavior of dogs is London is nothing like out in the sticks. It's just not comparable, even big towns aren't comparable, it's been a horrible shock. Biggest problem in London is fighting dogs (my cat got ripped apart as bait), here every lambing season the FB posts about how many dead sheep and lambs were killed that night is regular.

cruikshank · 03/04/2016 14:51

And why on earth would they bother to pick it up, bag it, and leave it next to their dog if they were going to leave it there?

No idea. Just as I have no idea why the charmers round our way go to the bother of picking up their dogs' shit and then leave the bag lying around on the pavement. I can't pretend to second-guess the thought process that lies behind such behaviour. But it certainly happens.