To think that shops and pubs are no place for dogs?

[Misssss]

We went to the pub for dinner last night. It is a naice pub with a good menu. When we walked in at about 7.30pm there was a cacophony of barking because at least four dogs, owned by different people, had decided to "play," with each other.

This afternoon we were shopping at a little retail park. Lots of little handbag type dogs were being paraded round. One woman even let her two dogs walk all over the rugs on display.

Aibu to think that they shouldn't be there? Why can't the dogs be left at home. Obviously these weren't guide dogs, just pets.

Peace one of our local wine bars is like that with doggy treats. Ddog loves going in, in fact she knows her own way! It is a short car journey away but once we get out of the car she walks me there .

scaredy the issue of breeding is one that I would agree with you on but you are not saying all these things out of concern for dogs are you?

I campaign against dog breeding for very different reasons.

Lambing season, yes, there are problems with visitors and dogs, the lambs end up dead at the slaughter house or by a dog, not nice either way.

There are sometimes threads here which are very anti cats, do you not see that having a cat annoys some people?
I am really sorry about your cat though, that must have been awful.

Nope didn't see but seems the most likely scenario. If you were the kind of dog owner who leaves poo, you don't usually bag it and take it part the way home with you then leave it.

Even if they did, one bad dog owner doesn't make all dogs and their owners bad. Just like one bad parent doesn't make their children or all other parents bad. Why must we judge everything by the lowest standard?

7,332 hospital admissions (ie not just treatment, and not just attacks, but actual in-patient treatment) due to dog attacks in 2014/15 alone

Hang on a sec, is that figure for the UK??

I had no idea it was as bad as that ...

clearly to the side out of the way
No it was not, it is the sole entrance one and a half meters wide during the busiest time where when any human stops they cause a jam, buggies, toddlers, late comers, and leavers, this was the worst place to tie up a dog. I took the photo during a quiet lul, puppy must have been left for 20 min or so.

Pugs what a character , got to go where the treats are.

I just checked those statistics and got a similar one for medical treatment not admissions. Similar for horse, rat and other bites.

▪ Rates of admission for dog bites or strikes showed the most regional variation, with the highest rates in Merseyside (322 admissions, 27.0 per 100,000 population), Durham, Darlington and Tees (294 admissions, 24.9 per 100,000), and Thames Valley (493 admissions, 23.9 per 100,000) ,and lowest in Kent and Medway (128 admissions, 7.3 per 100,000 population), London (689 admissions, 8.2 per 100,000), and Surrey and Sussex (227 admissions, 8.3 per 100,000).

So the highest rate in the country is 27 per 100,000 people.

Surely 27 dog bites per 100k of population is something to worry about? If those figures are accurate Peace I would say much more needs to be done to discourage dog ownership. rules about dogs off leads and unmuzzled in public spaces also need to be brought in to bring those figures right down.

Shocking use of NHS resources treating dog bites becuase dog owners don't have their dogs under control.

That's the highest, what do you say about drinking, rugby playing and car ownership?

I don't have one myself but I like seeing dogs out and about in pubs and cafes. A pub feels more like a 'public house' with some dogs in and, seeing as I don't have touch them if I'm eating and I don't let them sip my beer or lick my plate, I'm not worried about hygiene.

Obviously they need to be well behaved and the owner needs to keep an eye on them. I think some owners are a bit blind to their pets behaviour - there's been an awful lot of 'nobody even knows my dog is there' (actually, I bet a lot of people do) and at least one case of 'my dog thinks he's a human and refuses to do x,y,z' as if that's charming and a reason a dog should get special treatment (no he doesn't think he's a human, you just haven't trained him appropriately and that's normally annoying as fuck for everyone else).

And lol at the thought of their being 27 horse bites requiring medical attention per 100k of population. I bet the majority of people in the uk have never even been within biting distance of a horse.

the issue of breeding is one that I would agree with you on but you are not saying all these things out of concern for dogs are you?
My problem is with crap dog owners, not the dogs. It's wrong to breed any animal knowing that the method you are choosing to breed will cause the animal suffering. Off the top of my head that would mainly be cats and dogs?

I don't say anything peace as this thread isn't about playing rugby or owning a car.

Lol on anthony, I think the figures for horse riding injuries are pretty high. Maybe you live in the city?

Anyway, back to your anti dog campaign, are you as worried about the car statistics which are about 190 000 higher?

You raised the issue of cost to the NHS - that's how conversation goes.

Peace is trying to compare two different statistics and thinking it proves a point, snigger. Also given lots of her posts she could do with trying my DS's yr2 comprehension reading, it might help.

We were up at a crowded bar once where the owners were showing off their three new kittens. Right on cue one let off the feline equivalent of a "silent but deadly" and cleared the entire bar area.
So cats aren't brilliant in pubs either.

37 admissions for rat bites, just over 3,000 for all other mammals combined including cats, horses etc. All of those put together account for around half as many admissions as dogs alone do. So not really similar at all. Both The Guardian and The Mirror uses the word 'admissions' and The Guardian specifically talks about 'in-patient treatment'.

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/revealed-worst-places-dog-attacks-7140673

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/may/28/hospital-admissions-for-injuries-caused-by-dogs-up-76-over-past-10-years

The figure has gone up by 76% in the last 10 years. It is a real and growing problem.

Yeah, that's what you do scaredy, you show hysterical people that they are a bit silly to think that dogs are the most dangerous thing around. Snigger.

Cruikshank are you really using the red tops against official dept of health statistics?

*Today 15:15 AnthonyBlanche

And lol at the thought of their being 27 horse bites requiring medical attention per 100k of population. I bet the majority of people in the uk have never even been within biting distance of a horse.*

I will try and find horse statistics Anthony 'lol' as you say.

I understand you do not like it Missss, and accept your point of view, however I think it is nice if dogs are allowed in pubs - as long as they are on a lead right next to their owner and not making a nuisance of themselves.

I have never understood the point another person brought up in this thread that dogs should not be where food is served. Again, as long as they well are behaved dogs and kept next to their owner on the floor, none of the food served can possibly be affected simply by a dog's presence. The state of the food can only depend on the kitchen it comes from and the people who serve it.

I saw a perfectly serious sign outside a pub recently which read:
No hen or stag parties.
Dogs welcome.

Yeah it does happen clearly, just like I see folk leaving nappies in places they shouldnt - doesn't mean I automatically assume everyone is going to do it and rip into someone who dares leave a nappy bag in one place for a few minutes.

I'm just so glad that the majority of people I meet are tolerant and I of them. We have mutual respect. Even simple things like i stand and make my dog sit so a runner can freely jog past.

If you show me the posts that your wonderful DC could improve on, I will gladly correct them. You sound such a lovely family.

The Guardian a red top? Do you want me to start at the basics Peace, should we start with colours?
Can't argue with stupid.