Lahore bombing - where is Christian god?

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Ok, I know this is a very clichéd question, but 70+ people, mainly children, brutally murdered at a Christian, Easter celebration.

Families gone. Lives shattered. Unbearable pain.

WHY would god allow this?

Aibu to think this sort of thing proves there is no Christian god. Or if there is, "he's" not a good force?

I want to make it clear, for avoidance of doubt, that I am not Christian.

I hope however that I have retained enough about various religions to have a reasonable grasp of salient points.

Interesting to see that I am however in the firing line for even attempting to offer an explanation from within the terms of of the Jewish/Christian/Muslim God, which is what ai understood the opening post was asking for.

There is evidence for Christianity you know- it's not entirely plucked from the sky.

What proof would this be?

When people attack my political beliefs, I defend them. I don't start crying that I'm being persecuted by nasty people.
If you advocate a belief, be prepared to defend it. Don't be a special snowflake.

I believe in A higher power. I am not any religion. Brought up Catholic but don't like organised religion.

I don't believe in a god that cause or stops people doing twatty stuff.

These events prove nothing about God, a higher power, that there is no God etc.

It proves that some are evil fuckers

People murdering in the name of religion would murder and argue in the name of anything, its the people that do it not the 'cause'.

Silly argument. Offer inadequates eternal rewards in a magic kingdom, and this is what happens.

you don't want to debate though - this thread is just part of a wider goady agenda that's dominated MN this weekend

I don't think anyone has to defend their personal faith to you - unless they where the bomber - they have a right to belief just as you have a right to no faith

I still don't understand the need to needle people of faith endlessly - it doesn't exactly show people in their best light

I think the great philosophers may have already covered this topic OP...

Try some Kant. He'll explain it a bit better than I can.

AndYourBird - what evidence is that then?

we have a real right to discuss this, the 'stop being goady!' defence is a rather shit one.
Religion is a major threat to our existence on this planet, we have to right to discuss it as we wish.

Where was God?

Here.

There's no point him being there!

I'd love to have faith. Must be such a comfort.

Oh but there is. Every profound and amazing reason!

I'm not threatens by people who have no faith - I am one :)

what gives you the right to demand people explain or justify their own personal belief to you?

It's really not your business is it?

You don;t believe - people do - that's life

If the Christian god exists I don't think he gives a flying fuck.

It would be nice if people could just respect other people's faith, and I say that as an agnostic.

It doesn't make you look 'clever' when you question their intelligence, it just makes you look bigoted.

It is horrible that people are dying around the world due to religious differences. You are not changing that with bigoted attitudes.

Arti, that's not god, that's a convicted criminal being executed.

I'm an atheist and I love a good argument about the Problem of Evil as much as the next lapsed Philosophy student. I can argue it from both sides very effectively.

However the place is not AIBU and the time is not now and the argument is not on the backs of 70 dead men, women and children.

As someone who was injured in a bomb attack in n Ireland my pov is that bad people will always hijack a 'religious' stance in order to carry out evil intent. As I made my way back to my halls of residence from university the bombers did not know whether I was Protestant or Catholic nor did they care. This, I believe is still the case when atrocities are committed in God's 'name'. I still have a faith but it is sacred to me and I have no wish to lecture others. I would much prefer that we would agree to disagree. Very naive I know but I had many a year to think on this whilst in recovery and intense phsiotherapy.

I don't know if there is a God or not. Who can ever prove such a thing? I don't believe there is and if irrefutable evidence arose that proved his/her/its existence, I wouldn't pray to him/her/it or in any way change the way I live my life. God's existence is immaterial to me.

But if there is, I think it's incredibly arrogant of humans as a species to assume that the creator of all things, the whole galaxy in all its infinite wonder, is watching a tiny speck of a city in Pakistan and caring one way or another what happens to a relative handful of people. If there is a God, he/she/it is a scientist. The creator of an elaborately intricate and unimaginably vast machine. And like any scientist, they will be observing what happens with interest, maybe even dismay - but intervening? No.

However, I don't believe this is the case. I believe that what happened in Lahore is a human tragedy that only humans could have prevented. Or rather, the excuses for humans that committed the act.

And my thoughts are with the families of the victims. Sleep well.