Lahore bombing - where is Christian god?

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Ok, I know this is a very clichéd question, but 70+ people, mainly children, brutally murdered at a Christian, Easter celebration.

Families gone. Lives shattered. Unbearable pain.

WHY would god allow this?

Aibu to think this sort of thing proves there is no Christian god. Or if there is, "he's" not a good force?

Most of the world's atrocities are committed by humans in the name of religion. If God exists he must think 'fuck, what the fuckery have I done, creating these utter bastards intent on destroying one another?' Thankfully, those people who believe in him and have been affected in some way by these atrocities might be afforded some crumbs of comfort. I don't get it personally, but if their beliefs give them some kind of strength and help them come to terms with what's happened then I'm in no position to judge that faith.

blimey I thought people of faith where supposed to be the problem - so many angry and insulting people

You all seem to not believe in God but at the same time want God to act

Surely if you don't believe in God you believe in free will? so why is it such a daft concept?

Can no one engage in a sensible discussion about this - is it just put downs, 'clever' quips and childish digs - seems such a shame

I don't believe in God either but I don;t think that makes me or my ideas better than anyone else - nor does it give me the right to be dismissive of peoples faith or belief

reminds me of this

This is your answer op.
I learnt thus while studying for my degree. Life has predictable elements and unpredictable elements. The balance of both is essential for life as we know it. Everything predictable .. Life wouldnt happen. Nothing predictable utter chaos.
You could argue heaven is the 100% predictable world humans crave.

No because it's always the non believers who get all huffy and try to take moral high ground and seemingly look down on the believers.

blimey I thought people of faith where supposed to be the problem - so many angry and insulting people

Er. People of faith are continually killing thpusands all over the planet. We are making points on an Internet discussion board. Hardly the same magnitude, is it?

You can say that God does not exist in your opinion. You cannot state in as a fact.

Which works both ways of course.

so no to an actual rational discussion then ?

Well of course there is no God. It's a ridiculous idea.

"God gave humans the world - they have a choice how they move with in it - I feel embarrassed for people that can't grasp this simple concept of faith

"And a secondary point; why pray then? If God doesn't intervene, then what is the point?

Try the Book of Job

I hope that people are actually asking this age-old question, much discussed by theologians and philosophers about the nature of evil.

Not just bandying around offensive terms

It's like a game of "How Far Can You Go?" on the back of the long thread in Site Issues about anti-religion bigotry.

And "How Far Can You Go?" Is also the name of a short novel by David allege, that I would also recommend to those seriously interested in the question of why bad things can happen.

It's like a game of "How Far Can You Go?" on the back of the long thread in Site Issues about anti-religion bigotry

thank you - that explains a lot - I'll leave them to it

Try the Book of Job

So you're using as a actual, proper source an ancient myth?

"Well of course there is no God. It's a ridiculous idea"

Whether there is a God, no gods or lots of gods is not subject to proof. To believe there is none is just the same as believing in a particular one or ones.

The rational/logical position has to be agnosticism

Who is being irrational?

If your definition of rational means a starting point that a not proven deity created everything, it's the opposite of rational.

If you want an explanation, the Book of Job is readily available online. If you just want to slag it off, with no consideration of the messages within it, then this thread isn't about seeking understanding but about displaying intolerance.

But only understanding on your very narrow terms!

It's rational in the sense that agnosticism is the only position that recognises that when something is not susceptible to proof then it is just as wrong/right to have a fixed position on presence/absence of a factor.

And fuckery, can you actually use a source written in the last two and a half thousand millennia? Because humanity has moved on a bit.

There are thousands of people in the world who do awful things in the name of a particular deity of branch of religion . There are also bad people with no religion who do terrible things because they are greedy selfish horrible or fucking evil.

The first and second world wars had nothing to do with religion and millions were killed.

If everyone was atheist there would still be people killing maiming raping and stealing . For a political or greedy reason.

I'm agnostic but hate the superior attitude to religion and religious people.

I am an atheist, I absolutely do not believe in God, but I do not use atrocities to 'prove' that my view is right. My view is simply that, my view and other people are entitled to have their own opinions on the existence of God. If there is a God, whether it be a Christian God, Allah or whatever then I don't believe that they allow things to happen. That's like saying that God allows people to shoplift, which is of course against the commandments, or for allowing people to get ill etc.

Some very arrogant comments. Again.

I used to be an atheist- I'm not hugely religious by any stretch of the imagination now but I have some faith. I used to be over invested in asserting my superior opinions actually but one thing I have learnt is that it is much harder, in my opinion, to have faith than not.

I NEVER felt attacked as an atheist. I never had my intelligence questioned or accused of believing in a 'sky fairy'. I did not feel in the minority.

There is evidence for Christianity you know- it's not entirely plucked from the sky. But, as I said, I can no more prove it to be true than not.