Lahore bombing - where is Christian god?

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Ok, I know this is a very clichéd question, but 70+ people, mainly children, brutally murdered at a Christian, Easter celebration.

Families gone. Lives shattered. Unbearable pain.

WHY would god allow this?

Aibu to think this sort of thing proves there is no Christian god. Or if there is, "he's" not a good force?

a lot of those involved will be finding a lot of comfort in their faith right now

I understand the popular stance is to stick to the 'religion is bad and causes wars etc' view but why do people ignore the other side - it gives people hope, comfort a common purpose, family, friends and a view that you help and support others in your community and beyond?

I am a humanist - I don't believe in God but I do not think that gives me the right to belittle other peoples beliefs

Freedom of choice is a bastard. But no freedom of choice? For an allpowerful being to permit no freedom of choice would surely be a level of tyranny next to which the worst excesses of the most brutal totalitarian dictators in the history of the world would pale into insignificance. Oh what a perfect heaven it would be that you could only act exactly as god commanded, only speak as god permitted, only thinks as god approved. Or would that not be another form of hell?

Humans hold within them the capacity for the greatest good, and the utmost evil, for the strongest love, and hate, anger, and fear, joy and despair. Whether you believe that comes from god, or from human nature.

When I hear of a dreadful natural disaster clamining the lives of many, then yes, I wonder where god was. But when I hear of a human atrocity, I wonder what the fuck people are playing at. And we, in our comfortable western world, are not innocents either. Our politicians have fomented discord and war. Our country's wealth was built upon the exploitation of the empire.

But if we were all "perfect" obedient minions of an ultimate being, then how could we achieve anything? With no freedom of choice, then how could humans lay claim to art? To music? To love? To the selfless acts that show us the best side of people?

So, where is god? Probably weeping at what people have done with the gift of free will.

No it wouldnt clopy because allah is God.

Perhaps god is too busy hating gay people and women to worry about the suffering of countless innocent people.

I think it's VERY normal to have faith shaken when awful things happen and we will never know.

I just have to believe there's some place better, I have to.

Shall we let families grieve and mourn their loss OP, without trying to encourage a row on here?

There will be many in UK, possibly who live near you, absolutely devastated by this. Let's not encourage more division

And would christians agree with that calleigh

I know allah means god.

I don't really know why you've specified the "Christian God". He's actually the same God Muslims worship. And he has never been anything more than an invented fairytale.

And there's nothing "goady" about asking this question. Given that 90% of the world's population believe in some version of this myth, I think it's a fair one that should be asked often. With any luck, people might start exercising their fucking brains, realise that people are dying because of very ancient myths and stop giving "faith" a respect that it has not earned and does not deserve.

And it is perfectly possible, by the way, to prove that God does not exist. You just needs a working definition of "God", then you can test the hypothesis.

With all gods, including Yahweh, the hypothesis has been proven (as far as anything ever can be) untrue.

One of the failed "proofs of god" is indeed the almost universal claim that he is good and loves us all.

That child murder ever happens at all disproves this hypothesis. And no amount of infantile mind gymnastics about "free will" (an excuse so ludicrous, I feel embarrassed for anyone presenting it) can explain this.

There is no God, OP. It's as simple as that.

Christian God? Lol

Bad things happen because bad people happen.

What did you want to happen a big finger pointing out the sky with a booming Noooo!
That shit only happens in The Simpsons.

Why especially this incident? There are so many horrific incidents happening all the time. Sadly this is one of many and by no means the last.

So, where is god? Probably weeping at what people have done with the gift of free will.

What a drip your God is.

'Evil triumphs when good people do nothing'

God is God by the way ...

why is the concept of free will so silly?

God gave humans rules to live by - and they are judged by how they stick to them - that's what the Bible says - no where does it says God controls everything and everyone

God gave humans the world - they have a choice how they move with in it - I feel embarrassed for people that can't grasp this simple concept of faith

Even though this attack was aimed at Christians celebrating Easter and carried out by a Muslim, the Pakistani authorities have reported that the majority of those who were killed or injured were in fact Muslims.

Ohfuckaducky in your opinion

God gave humans the world - they have a choice how they move with in it - I feel embarrassed for people that can't grasp this simple concept of faith

It's the worst kind of cop out.

I agree, the traditional view of God as omniscient, omnipotent and omnibenevolent makes no sense.... The free will argument is very weak, especially regarding tragedies whose cause has nothing to do with people. Some Christians can be very glib and trite when dealing with such issues... Others recognise the absurdity and re-define God accordingly within the Christian historical/ethical framework trying to chart a course between 1) simplistic chilidish fundamentalism and 2) nihilistic atheism... If Christianity is to survive it needs to present a vision that abandons the tendencies of many of its followers to hold on to medieval concepts of God and present a coherent alternative to these two extremes.

Yeah as long as you say it's your opinion and not fact- carry on

God gave humans the world - they have a choice how they move with in it - I feel embarrassed for people that can't grasp this simple concept of faith

And a secondary point; why pray then? If God doesn't intervene, then what is the point?

There is no God, sorry to break it to you.

As for where is God when mankind kills each other... well the way it's argued is that we are left to get on with it as the tiny bit of time in this life is not important but the billion years after is.