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AIBU...to not like DP's sister?

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Shopaholic84 · 23/03/2016 14:14

DP and I have been together almost 5 years, we live together and got engaged last year. Very happy. All good.

This weekend his parents and sister and her husband are coming to stay for the whole bank holiday weekend and I am dreading it, mainly because of his sister.

It's really hard for me to say why, as it isn't like she's outwardly nasty. However, she is just incredibly self absorbed, she literally makes no effort to enquire about ANYONE else or their life. Just sits there and waits to be asked about hers and then happily sits, talking about herself.

It became apparent very quickly when I first met her and the rest of his family that she is absolutely adored and fawned over 24/7. She is the centre of the family's universe and everyone else is expected to make her the centre of theirs too.

I have known this woman for 5 years and I can honestly say that in that time she has barely spoken to me. She knows absolutely nothing about me nor is she interested. Which is fine, I don't expect people to have an avid interest in me or my life, however, I'm also not particularly interested in her or her life but when we're left alone in a room together or see each other at a family gathering/meal etc, it would be a bit awkward if we didn't speak. So, I make conversation with her, chat about anything and everything really, but mostly I ask her Q's about her DD, or her job, how's the house renovating going etc etc. Just general, everyday polite chit chat. Because, you know, that's what most 'normal' human beings do don't they?!

It's really difficult to explain, but events have been cancelled before, events that are quite big and have taken months of planning, because she's 'tired' and doesn't want to attend. So instead of just going ahead without her, the whole thing gets cancelled. Because the world doesn't turn unless she's there, when in actual fact, she doesn't really add much at all, just sits there murmuring 'hmm' 'umm' at conversations, until it (inevitably) turns to focus on her and then you can't shut her up.

18 months ago, DP got a promotion at work and we had to move a couple of hours drive away. This has kinda made things worse between her and I as instead of just seeing her for a couple of hours, I have to see her for a whole weekend or more. I find it exhausting.

SIL has invited herself down to stay 8 times in the last 18 months. This will be the 9th time and I really am dreading it.

For a start the mess- honestly, every single room is strewn with clothes, hers, her husbands and DDs. Their DD is now 2 and very cute, but obviously with small children/ toddlers comes mess. The kitchen walls and floor are covered in food after every meal. There is dirty nappys left in the kitchen bin (vom) that we don't know about until they start smelling. Last time they came SIL let DD play with play dough.....all over a cream carpet. Go figure. SIL asks for multiple cups of tea/ waters/ juices all day and afterwards, the rooms are strewn with dirty cups, mugs and glasses.

I wouldn't mind about any of the above if it was a guest that was occasional, I. E a TRUE guest. I enjoy looking after guests, but really, after all this time she can't even stick a cup in the dishwasher after it's been used?! I'm not her maid, but that's exactly how I feel.

I get married in September, my MOH is yet to receive an RSVP to my hen. SIL has barely spoken to me about the wedding. She has always treated me with such disdain, like I'm not a permanent fixture. I could understand it if pre me, DP was a player and had a different girl every week, but he only had a few other girl friends before me and they only lasted a year or so. He certainly didn't live with or propose to any of them.

I have 2 brothers, I haven't always been fond of their girlfriends, however you'd never have known, as whether I liked them or not I was still polite and friendly and made conversation where I could.

I guess it's been 5 years and most of the time, especially since we've moved away, I don't really give her a second thought. DP talks about her and tells me what she's been up to etc a lot and I just make the right noises. It is easy for me to just forget about her. But on weeks like this, where I am due to be in her company for 3-4 days at a time, I just feel really resentful and exhausted at the prospect of having to 'entertain' her as a guest. Why should I make the effort to make her welcome in my home when she can barely bring herself to acknowledge me? Well, in fact that's all she does.

It's strange, because we're actually very similar people. There is only 2 years age difference between us, we're both sociable types with lots of friends (sorry that sounds bleurgh I know!) we like the same music, both like to have a drink and a laugh. Yet, she's just never been arsed about getting to know me, at first it made me feel like crap, now it just makes me feel angry and resentful that I have to be all sweetness and light to her.

So.....WIBU to feign an illness and hide in the bedroom all weekend to avoid her and having to listen to no doubt everyone sitting there discussing only her and what she's been doing and what she feels for hours on end?! (Mostly joking about the feigning illness part!)

Has anyone else got a SIL that makes no effort or practically blanks them for no apparent reason? If so, how do you deal with it?

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MrsTerryPratchett · 24/03/2016 23:48

Not cliquey no. My DH's family are close but they know each other's faults and don't close ranks. And when push came to shove a few times, we backed our partner, not our parents, up.

cosmicglittergirl · 25/03/2016 06:57

I know that my husband would always back me over his family, it wouldn't work for me any other way.

Kennington · 25/03/2016 07:14

Hang on a minute here.
I deliberately don't ask some people stuff about how they are doing because things are such a mess - I don't want them to feel awkward.
I just do a how are you and rabbit away about something neutral.
I genuinely panic if someone tells me their problems as I want to help but cannot most of the time.....
Sorry but she may just live in the same fear I have.
Background: I suffered a family trauma and am worried about it happening again so have a mild fear of phone calls and any bad news!

Roussette · 25/03/2016 07:38

No, most families really aren't so rude! MY DH's family.... his DSis is lovely as is her DH. His family (her DH) is huge and a bit cliquey but his DM is lovely and chats to me and us. The rest don't bother at family dos but it doesn't matter because it is far removed and DH's direct family are fine. And my family think the world of my DH and he fits in well considering we're all a bit odd and bonkers.

It's rude and horrible for a family to deliberately alienate a person who has joined that family. From day one (decades ago) I was telling my DH what I thought of everyone in his family, warts 'n all. Your DP is not putting you first, speak out!

Wolpertinger · 25/03/2016 08:24

No, most families are not like this!

Your SIL is the Golden Child and your DP has been brought up to think that she is fabulous and he must pander to her every need. It will be painful for him to realise that actually she is a normal human being and a not very nice one at that.

You do need to stand your ground as you are getting married to him - he needs to know that for the rest of his life you and him are a team, not his sister and his mum telling him what to do and you dragging up the rear.

So no she doesn't get to stipulate what happens about the dogs - if she doesn't like them, she can't stay. You establish some ground rules early on about what bins nappies are put in and that clothes aren't thrown everywhere. During the weekend you point out to your DP that it's funny that your SIL hasn't once asked how your DP is, let alone you sow some seeds of doubt

And once she's gone you make it clear that now you are functioning as a team who are getting married no-one gets to invite themselves to your house without it being checked it's convenient with BOTH parties.

It will take time. But frankly if he can't do it, you should not marry this man, he cannot put you first. I really think he can though, he has just never evere had any of this stuff pointed out to him, he thinks his weird family are normal.

Whatatotalmess · 25/03/2016 08:26

I would agree that this is something which you really need to sort out before you get married for your own sanity. I didn't and when the last straw came, a few years down the line, it came close to ending our marriage and we needed a fair bit of counselling to get through it. I suspect it probably looked as though I was being massively and suddenly unreasonable whereas in fact I had been dropping hints and trying to have gentle conversations for years and had been ignored, because I wasn't metaphorically the squeakiest wheel in DH's life. It was easier for him to hurt my feelings than those of his family because he got less hassle for it. In the end, I hate to say this (and I hated to do it) but the only way I could change the situation was to make as much fuss as they did.

In particular, I wish I'd made it very clear what I could and could not cope with before DD was born. It was a really horrible feeling that I had brought my little girl into the world and that she, and our family, might not be her dad's first priority. To be fair, I should say that DH is now amazing and after counselling, he has been totally supportive of our mutually agreed boundaries.

Piemernator · 25/03/2016 08:40

I have had 20 years of my SIL and it has come to the point that I just refuse to see her at the moment. This has caused words between DH and I which is a rare occurance. She was and is self absorbed and an awful house guest but I sucked it up. She has now done a couple of things that are so awful and obviously so I won't tolerate her. One of them was that she hit my DS. DH also thinks his sis is amazing fun. Her own Mother describes her as bossy and difficult but ultimately it's her daughter.

The dynamic is unlikely to change it just depends if you can stand it. The only way I think either of our Husbands would see the light so to speak would be if they spoke to a neutral third party. When I mentioned I had discussed the situation with a good friend of mine he said well of course she will agree.

Co dependency it's super bad shit and you are swamped in it.

Shopaholic84 · 25/03/2016 09:26

Wolpertinger, I think you've hit the nail on the head in your first paragraph. He has been brought up and 'conditioned' to think that she is wonderful and her wants and needs come first and so he thinks like that too almost on autopilot.

Don't get me wrong, it's lovely that they are close and occasionally I do feel a bit of a pang and wish my family were a bit closer, but I soon give myself a slap because they're not just close, they're waltaney close. It is literally so 'happy families' 'aww, aren't we all so in love with each other' (except with DP of course, they like him because he runs around after them, but otherwise aren't that fussed, or so it seems) it's vom inducing.

DP is normally very measured and level headed so in fairness, I think if I sat him down and spoke to him about it, he may consider things. Either that or he will get really angry/ defensive.

An impartial third person would definitely help, I can't wait to see what my friends make of SIL at hen to be honest. It will be nice to get some outside perspectives.

God, his parents are arriving first, they've just texted saying they'll be here at lunchtime, with Her royal highness bringing up the rear (snigger) at 4. My friends did ask whether I fancied a meal tonight, I had to decline obviously but i might say I'll meet them for a couple of drinks until about 6 which will give them all a couple of hours to socialise and get the proper 'vom inducing' stuff out of the way. I hope. I can tell me doing that would go down like a lead balloon though but I'm not sure I care.

DP only told me yesterday that Dniece had Noro Virus last weekend too so i blummin hope she's not spread it or is still contagious Confused

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Wolpertinger · 25/03/2016 09:42

I had to kindly point out to my DH that I didn't expect him to like my mum as much as he liked his parents and siblings (I'm an only child) as it was weird to think that just because we'd fallen in love with each other, we would fall in love with every single other family member. So I wasn't going to like his relations as much as he did either - thankfully with time, some of them have turned out more likeable than initial appearances suggested Grin But his forcing it was a disaster.

And slowly point out that it was his responsibility to remember their presents, birthdays, organize visits etc etc. Again with time I've done a bit more as some have turned out to be mutual relationships but some very much have NOT and remain his responsiblity. Visiting them is for his benefit not mine.

It's taken several years of gently pointing out that one sibling isn't amazing and the other one is actually much nicer to him which he had been completely oblivious of as he was so desperate to hang out with the 'amazing' one.

Keep posting through the weekend if it helps, MN will give you moral support and virtual WineCake and Flowers

lem73 · 25/03/2016 09:50

You're hosting your PILs and SIL and family?! I thought it was just her. That's a lot of people in one house.

Shopaholic84 · 25/03/2016 09:57

No, PILs as well as SIL and her husband and child Angry I know. Just don't even get me started. Sad

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StillDrSethHazlittMD · 25/03/2016 09:58

I think you have made a fundamental error in not discussing this with your DP long before now. I know some very close families but even they wouldn't have stayed over 9 times in 18 months. That's madness, especially with small children.

I agree with other posters - he is now so conditioned, he would choose them over you. Especially because you've said nothing, comparatively, for 5 years.

I would be having a very frank discussion after this weekend and, unless his answers were good, I'm afraid in your shoes I'd not only be rethinking marriage but getting out of the relationship.

Shopaholic84 · 25/03/2016 10:54

To top it off I've just looked at the forecast for the weekend, rain and gale force winds for most of it, which means a lot of sitting around staring at one another fawning over SIL Shoot me now.

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MargotFenring · 25/03/2016 10:56

Keep us updated. You have my sympathy. When my DH was in the high dependency unit after having one half of his lung removed, having just being diagnosed with lung cancer, MIL talked about poor SILs cold and how unhappy she was and how she was definitely going to get her some of her fave chocolate on the way home. Then told DH they couldn't visit as SIL was getting her new car delivered and her and FIL wanted to be there to see it Confused

It took several rows and a lot of persistence but he sees it now. I nearly left several times though.

Wolpertinger · 25/03/2016 11:03

Do you ever get PILs without SIL? Or do they come as a package?

What I mean is does DP get to spend one on one time with his DPs that is about him rather than praising the lack of achievements of his sister? Again this is something that can be quietly pointed out 'It's such a shame your parents never want to talk about that amazing thing you did/I can't get to know them really etc etc'

LionsLedge · 25/03/2016 11:29

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LineyReborn · 25/03/2016 12:39

I agree it would be interesting to see what happens if you stop clearing up after them, and just leave it to stare everyone in the face.

Do you provide them with all meals, too - and at whose expense?

AyeAmarok · 25/03/2016 12:41

My SIL is like this. Luckily, my DP does see it now and when she or PIL launch into a big story about how WONDERFUL she is we just both smile and nod, maybe sneak an at each other, and then have a dissectionof the cconversation as soon as they've left.

It's really tiring. So I feel for you. I couldn't cope of she came to stay for 4 days. I'd have to go elsewhere.

stopfuckingshoutingatme · 25/03/2016 12:48

All you can do is reduce the time you see her and reduce the time you spend with her - as said she can't invite herself if you are busy !

Your DP is key - this weekend stay quite don't make an effort be polite but don't try and be her friend - and write down every shitty thing she does

Then you need to have a chat with your partner to be Hobest

stopfuckingshoutingatme · 25/03/2016 12:49

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stopfuckingshoutingatme · 25/03/2016 12:55

I really think it's worth dealing with it too - and before you hitch

I know people always advise to get counselling etc - but something is needed to boost you so (a) ypu can gently pout out how dysfunctional it is (b) learn how to be gently assertive and (c) learn better boundaries - you marry him but not this shit !

Piemernator · 25/03/2016 15:59

See they come as a package.this is what used to happen but I put a stop to that a few years ago. DH mother used to irritate the fuck out if me but I have come to realise the poor woman was on eggshells constantly due to her own DD and her ex DH. Yes you read that right they still meet up for Christmas etc though divorced and he is sometimes monstrous to MIL.

Good luck I will think of you and send positive vibes your way. It's just me and a rump steak tonight that I'm sharing with the cat due to my refusal to attend this family get together.

Shopaholic84 · 25/03/2016 21:53

So far:

I was out when they arrived. I came back and when I walked in, DP was in the kitchen making food for everyone and the rest of the family were in the lounge. I walked in, everyone looked up and smiled and said hello....except SIL who was sat on the floor playing with niece. She literally barely looked up and muttered hello.

I then sat down and was chatting to everyone. SIL then moved over across the floor so that Niece was almost facing me and SIL was sat, with her back to me. I was fuming!

Secondly, the dogs being out was a massive issue. SIL whined so much I almost wanted to hit her. DP put them away.

DP hasn't said 2 words to me the whole time they've been here. Has just spent the last few hours fawning over SIL and niece. I want to hit him.

They are now talking about extending their stay and I just can't cope. I'm seriously losing respect for my DP by the hour. He absolutely LICKS THEIR ARSE!! Fawns over them, panders to them, was the one who put the idea in their heads to stay longer.

For the past 4 hours it has just been non stop fawning over niece and SIL. Non stop
Toddler and baby talk, which of course suits SIL fine as it directly relates to her. I'm so bored, already.

I know I sound like an intolerable cow but this is honestly my idea of torture.

There's no way around it, if I can go until Tues without spontaneously combusting, DP and I are going to have to have some
Words.

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lem73 · 25/03/2016 22:09

You sound very stressed. What a shit weekend for you.

OhWotIsItThisTime · 25/03/2016 22:25

You need to carve out time for yourself. This includes them staying less frequently and for less time. It's a bank holiday - where's the space for you and your dp to be together?