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AIBU...to not like DP's sister?

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Shopaholic84 · 23/03/2016 14:14

DP and I have been together almost 5 years, we live together and got engaged last year. Very happy. All good.

This weekend his parents and sister and her husband are coming to stay for the whole bank holiday weekend and I am dreading it, mainly because of his sister.

It's really hard for me to say why, as it isn't like she's outwardly nasty. However, she is just incredibly self absorbed, she literally makes no effort to enquire about ANYONE else or their life. Just sits there and waits to be asked about hers and then happily sits, talking about herself.

It became apparent very quickly when I first met her and the rest of his family that she is absolutely adored and fawned over 24/7. She is the centre of the family's universe and everyone else is expected to make her the centre of theirs too.

I have known this woman for 5 years and I can honestly say that in that time she has barely spoken to me. She knows absolutely nothing about me nor is she interested. Which is fine, I don't expect people to have an avid interest in me or my life, however, I'm also not particularly interested in her or her life but when we're left alone in a room together or see each other at a family gathering/meal etc, it would be a bit awkward if we didn't speak. So, I make conversation with her, chat about anything and everything really, but mostly I ask her Q's about her DD, or her job, how's the house renovating going etc etc. Just general, everyday polite chit chat. Because, you know, that's what most 'normal' human beings do don't they?!

It's really difficult to explain, but events have been cancelled before, events that are quite big and have taken months of planning, because she's 'tired' and doesn't want to attend. So instead of just going ahead without her, the whole thing gets cancelled. Because the world doesn't turn unless she's there, when in actual fact, she doesn't really add much at all, just sits there murmuring 'hmm' 'umm' at conversations, until it (inevitably) turns to focus on her and then you can't shut her up.

18 months ago, DP got a promotion at work and we had to move a couple of hours drive away. This has kinda made things worse between her and I as instead of just seeing her for a couple of hours, I have to see her for a whole weekend or more. I find it exhausting.

SIL has invited herself down to stay 8 times in the last 18 months. This will be the 9th time and I really am dreading it.

For a start the mess- honestly, every single room is strewn with clothes, hers, her husbands and DDs. Their DD is now 2 and very cute, but obviously with small children/ toddlers comes mess. The kitchen walls and floor are covered in food after every meal. There is dirty nappys left in the kitchen bin (vom) that we don't know about until they start smelling. Last time they came SIL let DD play with play dough.....all over a cream carpet. Go figure. SIL asks for multiple cups of tea/ waters/ juices all day and afterwards, the rooms are strewn with dirty cups, mugs and glasses.

I wouldn't mind about any of the above if it was a guest that was occasional, I. E a TRUE guest. I enjoy looking after guests, but really, after all this time she can't even stick a cup in the dishwasher after it's been used?! I'm not her maid, but that's exactly how I feel.

I get married in September, my MOH is yet to receive an RSVP to my hen. SIL has barely spoken to me about the wedding. She has always treated me with such disdain, like I'm not a permanent fixture. I could understand it if pre me, DP was a player and had a different girl every week, but he only had a few other girl friends before me and they only lasted a year or so. He certainly didn't live with or propose to any of them.

I have 2 brothers, I haven't always been fond of their girlfriends, however you'd never have known, as whether I liked them or not I was still polite and friendly and made conversation where I could.

I guess it's been 5 years and most of the time, especially since we've moved away, I don't really give her a second thought. DP talks about her and tells me what she's been up to etc a lot and I just make the right noises. It is easy for me to just forget about her. But on weeks like this, where I am due to be in her company for 3-4 days at a time, I just feel really resentful and exhausted at the prospect of having to 'entertain' her as a guest. Why should I make the effort to make her welcome in my home when she can barely bring herself to acknowledge me? Well, in fact that's all she does.

It's strange, because we're actually very similar people. There is only 2 years age difference between us, we're both sociable types with lots of friends (sorry that sounds bleurgh I know!) we like the same music, both like to have a drink and a laugh. Yet, she's just never been arsed about getting to know me, at first it made me feel like crap, now it just makes me feel angry and resentful that I have to be all sweetness and light to her.

So.....WIBU to feign an illness and hide in the bedroom all weekend to avoid her and having to listen to no doubt everyone sitting there discussing only her and what she's been doing and what she feels for hours on end?! (Mostly joking about the feigning illness part!)

Has anyone else got a SIL that makes no effort or practically blanks them for no apparent reason? If so, how do you deal with it?

OP posts:
40somethingwonderful · 27/03/2016 18:24

Sounds awful. When i got together with dh he thought his parents were amazing and built them up, upon meeting them they were distant with me and very off, I took it for a few years then decided I'd had enough, I simply put the seed of doubt in dh's head with little comments about how it was weird that they always answered one word answers and never engaged with me etc etc, it opened up his eyes and he did have words, my only fault that I wasn't his ex wife who had been in their lives for 15 years with whom they were very fond of who also happened to cheat on dh and he threw her out

Shopaholic84 · 28/03/2016 12:39

Ah....and breathe.

They left an hour ago, the peace and quiet is bliss.

I'm afraid though I feel incredibly angry. To posters who have said you don't need to be best friends and I don't see the problem with her not bothering much with you etc. I agree completely that we don't need to be bezza mates and that polite, superficial conversation is okay and all there needs to be. However, she doesn't even grant me that courtesy.

I'm not exaggerating or lying when I say that honestly, this weekend she's not asked me anything, enquires about anything. Asked DP anything or enquired about his life at all. Nothing. Nadda. The only conversation we've had with her is both of us enquiring about her life, about her DDs life, asking her husband about work, golf etc. Otherwise, there would have been nothing.

And yes, it isn't a first world problem and doesn't make her an evil person but I'm sorry, I was brought up with manners. I was brought up being told that if someone is hosting you for the night, weekend etc you do NOT make yourselves completely at home in their home, you don't take over it. You say please and thank you, you offer to help out where you can if needed and above everything, you bloody well TALK to your host, you make conversation. You do not go into someone else's house and expect to be waited on hand and foot and completely ignore them.

There were a couple of appalling instances of fawning and entitledness over the weekend that I have text my friends about and they have been like Shock I would love to share them but it would be too outing (though let's face it, I'm pretty sure if SIL is reading this she'll have realised its about her as I've hardly been shy with details but whatever) I really had to grit my teeth.

As they were leaving there was talks of them coming back up for the last bank holiday weekend in May. DP was 'oh yes that's fine' I jumped in and said we'll have to check the diary as we may have plans that weekend, we bloody will do!!!

After they left he was all 'aww, that was a lovely weekend wasn't it' I just murmured it was okay and left the room as I know I need to talk to him about all of this but I was so wound up I would have said things I'd regretted.

I need to talk to him and am just dreading it Sad

OP posts:
AyeAmarok · 28/03/2016 13:16

There were a couple of appalling instances of fawning and entitledness over the weekend

Oh go on, prey tell!

littleleftie · 28/03/2016 13:22

You do know this is a DP problem don't you OP?

It has got this bad because you haven't been communicating with him honestly. Is that because you are afraid he will end things if you tell him the visits are too often, too long, and bloody stressful?

There is honestly only one way around this as SIL will never change. Either DP backs you up and you don't host SIL again. Or, you split up and find someone who doesn't have such a dysfunctional family.

lem73 · 28/03/2016 13:34

I've got to agree your real problem is your dp. Why does he not want to spend some time alone with you? It's strange.

Wolpertinger · 28/03/2016 13:40

Phew, you survived! And well done for the 'we'll have to check our diaries'.

Perhaps 'Why did you think it was a lovely weekend?' would be a good starting point in the conversation.

You haven't been honest with your DP up til now so it isn't totally his fault that he doesn't see the problems but if you could establish some realistic things you want to get out of your chat it would be good. Such as:

Both of you need to agree when people are invited into your home
He acknowledges you aren't as close to your SIL as he thought you were
Guests don't get to dictate what happens to the dogs
Some ground rules about guest behaviour re: tidying

He has lived this way his entire life so your chat is going to come as a bolt from the blue. Change won't happen overnight but he loves you so it will happen otherwise don't marry him.

grapejuicerocks · 28/03/2016 16:18

Perhaps just sow the seeds to begin with rather than going the whole hog and saying you don't want to do it again and creating an argument. Also do the sandwich thing where you sandwich the bad bit between two good bits.

"I'm glad you really enjoyed this weekend. It was lovely seeing pil's. It's a shame that sil didn't show any interest in either of us. Have you noticed it? I'm really struggling with it all, especially for long weekends like this one when they don't lift a finger to help. Wasn't dneice cute though."

Then hopefully that will lead into discussing it all and a compromise of seeing them a bit less often and for shorter periods. 4 days is a really long time.

Can't you suggest alternating going to theirs? Offer to help there then it'll be easier to ask for help at yours. Don't go in all guns blazing. Try suggesting compromises even if you know that it won't work in reality. At least then you will come across as being reasonable. It's going to be a big shock to DH if you've bitten your tongue up till now.

FantasticButtocks · 28/03/2016 18:06

After they left he was all 'aww, that was a lovely weekend wasn't it' I think it was a pity an absolute miracle you didn't actually EXPLODE at that point!

Waltermittythesequel · 28/03/2016 18:09

Your 'd'p sounds like a bit of a knob, tbh.

Hissy · 28/03/2016 18:37

Now is the time to sit him down and point out her complete lack of manners or interest in anything other than herself.

Now is the time to point out that that you WILL be busy next time they have the nerve to invite themselves, and the next and the next.

They can come for a visit, not to stay.
Drains up now.

ThatsNotMyRabbit · 28/03/2016 19:00

Agree Walter.

Beachlovingirl · 28/03/2016 19:23

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Shesinfashion · 28/03/2016 19:52

I'd focus on telling him how it makes you feel to be ignored and treated with complete disinterest by his sister. Why should you be made to put up with that?

BolshierAryaStark · 28/03/2016 20:21

Yep, it's a DP problem alright.
You really missed a fantastic opportunity to give it to him both fucking barrels when he said how nice the weekend had been! Why didn't you say something then?

grapejuicerocks · 28/03/2016 20:24

It's called a shit sandwich and is a management technique, I believe.

Have you had a chance to chat with him yet?

FullMoonDiva · 28/03/2016 20:36

Going against the grain a bit here but I think you need to focus less on how his sister behaves towards you and you feel because of it and more on the fact that your 'd'p as its his lack of respect and consideration to you in your own home that actually allows his family in to treat you the way they do.

They are following his lead, and your relationship is ultimately with him. You and he cannot control how his sister behaves towards you but you can control who spends time in your home, at who's invite and for how long. At the minute he is allowing them to invite themselves to regularly stay over, to extend their stays, to treat you like a maid and this chump doesn't even have the common courtesy to say to you-the woman he is going to marry!!-to ask you, IF it is okay for his family to visit on X date. IF 4 days works for you, and if not what works better. He doesn't have the decency to ask you IF you mind that they want to extend their visit. He is treating you as if you are not a part of your own home, he is putting his extended family before you and he is arranging your time and space for you-how rude and controlling is he?

I would start the conversation along the following lines;

  1. Im glad you enjoyed the visit from your family this weekend but I think we need to have a chat.
  2. As much as I enjoy spending time with your family I find their stays are becoming more regular than I feel comfortable with and for longer than I feel I can manage.
  3. It also upsets me and makes me feel unimportant the way your arrange your family to visit us in OUR HOME that I equally am a part of WITHOUT having the common courtesy to run your plans past me and check with me that I am happy with having house guests before saying okay to them. YOUR behaviour is making me feel insignificant as your PARTNER and also in my OWN home which I share with you. Equally I don't appreciate you arranging my time for me without consultation and being trying to guilt trip me when it turns out I have other plans like you have in the past. I find it controlling and incredible rude.

Going forward I would like us to sort out these matters by;

  1. You not agreeing to overnight visits without consulting with me and arranging them for times that are mutually convenient to both us and your family.
  2. Visits to not be anymore than 2 nights (or what you feel comfortable with). As much as I appreciate that you enjoy your family and are used to their ways I find it tiring after a while trying to fit into your ways without having my own space to retire too.
  3. Your family, especially your sister are to be more considerate to you, your partner and your home. You appreciate they have a child but they seem to come here and leave everything to you and dp. You also appreciate they don't have to like you but the way his sister ignores you in your own home makes you feel insignificant and hurt. They don't tidy up after themselves and you feel like a maid as opposed to a host or a part of their family. You expect his family to chip in by clearing up after themselves, replacing anything they have used and by having courtesy to your home-which includes not expecting you to lock away your dog.
  4. Ultimately you expect for him to treat you with the same level of respect and consideration you treat him with, which includes not sidelining you in the home and life you share with him and not arranging your time for you.
WhatchaMaCalllit · 28/03/2016 20:47

I think you missed an opportunity there OP when your DP said "That was a lovely weekend wasn't it?" to reply with "Actually no. It wasn't. It was anything but lovely" and take things from there.

saffronwblue · 28/03/2016 21:46

Good luck op. It is difficult to challenge someone's reality, especially whe he probably is basking in 'aren't we all so close'. Give some concrete examples of thugs that made the weekend awful for you.
Was SIL premature or seriously ill as a child, that could have led to the indulgence and pedestal treatment she gets?

saffronwblue · 28/03/2016 21:47

Thugs = things!

ouryve · 28/03/2016 21:56

If a DP of mine had said "That was a lovely weekend, wasn't it?" to me under those circumstances, I would have given him that look and asked him if he was serious.

My 23 year old self would have grimaced and changed the subject, unfortunately. 23 years on, I'm much better at "fuck that." It took the results of too many years grimacing and changing the subject to get to that point, though. It's not easy to do, but you really do need to have that conversation, OP. You should not marry into this family without doing that.

StillDrSethHazlittMD · 29/03/2016 08:44

Sorry, I'm repeating what I said earlier in the thread. You will find it very hard to change this dynamic now because you've put up with it for years and not said anything to your DP. You had yet another opportunity and you avoided it.

I suspect it may actually be too late now and I think this relationship could quite easily crumble because he just won't get it. This will start to cause resentment and a wedge. You should have headed this off at the pass years ago to have really stood a chance of stopping this.

64zoolane · 29/03/2016 11:42

I think you did really well not to blow a fuse, all things considered, OP. Good luck having The Conversation with your DP.

Pooseyfrumpture · 31/03/2016 19:12

So how was the conversation?

Jojoriley · 31/03/2016 21:01

I feel for you. But I think rather than feigning illness (which might work once but is not a long term solution. I suspect it would make all the difference if you had your DPs support- so I suggest you share with him your feelings about her (not everything!) but say you feel put upon and since she visits a lot you want him to know how you feel. If it was the two of you together rather than you feeling isolated I think your resentment would be much less. I know it's a risk but you are going to marry this man and so it will be you two who are the primary partnership. I honestly don't think you can pretend about your feelings for ever. It doesn't have to be mean - ask him for HELP .

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