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AIBU...to not like DP's sister?

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Shopaholic84 · 23/03/2016 14:14

DP and I have been together almost 5 years, we live together and got engaged last year. Very happy. All good.

This weekend his parents and sister and her husband are coming to stay for the whole bank holiday weekend and I am dreading it, mainly because of his sister.

It's really hard for me to say why, as it isn't like she's outwardly nasty. However, she is just incredibly self absorbed, she literally makes no effort to enquire about ANYONE else or their life. Just sits there and waits to be asked about hers and then happily sits, talking about herself.

It became apparent very quickly when I first met her and the rest of his family that she is absolutely adored and fawned over 24/7. She is the centre of the family's universe and everyone else is expected to make her the centre of theirs too.

I have known this woman for 5 years and I can honestly say that in that time she has barely spoken to me. She knows absolutely nothing about me nor is she interested. Which is fine, I don't expect people to have an avid interest in me or my life, however, I'm also not particularly interested in her or her life but when we're left alone in a room together or see each other at a family gathering/meal etc, it would be a bit awkward if we didn't speak. So, I make conversation with her, chat about anything and everything really, but mostly I ask her Q's about her DD, or her job, how's the house renovating going etc etc. Just general, everyday polite chit chat. Because, you know, that's what most 'normal' human beings do don't they?!

It's really difficult to explain, but events have been cancelled before, events that are quite big and have taken months of planning, because she's 'tired' and doesn't want to attend. So instead of just going ahead without her, the whole thing gets cancelled. Because the world doesn't turn unless she's there, when in actual fact, she doesn't really add much at all, just sits there murmuring 'hmm' 'umm' at conversations, until it (inevitably) turns to focus on her and then you can't shut her up.

18 months ago, DP got a promotion at work and we had to move a couple of hours drive away. This has kinda made things worse between her and I as instead of just seeing her for a couple of hours, I have to see her for a whole weekend or more. I find it exhausting.

SIL has invited herself down to stay 8 times in the last 18 months. This will be the 9th time and I really am dreading it.

For a start the mess- honestly, every single room is strewn with clothes, hers, her husbands and DDs. Their DD is now 2 and very cute, but obviously with small children/ toddlers comes mess. The kitchen walls and floor are covered in food after every meal. There is dirty nappys left in the kitchen bin (vom) that we don't know about until they start smelling. Last time they came SIL let DD play with play dough.....all over a cream carpet. Go figure. SIL asks for multiple cups of tea/ waters/ juices all day and afterwards, the rooms are strewn with dirty cups, mugs and glasses.

I wouldn't mind about any of the above if it was a guest that was occasional, I. E a TRUE guest. I enjoy looking after guests, but really, after all this time she can't even stick a cup in the dishwasher after it's been used?! I'm not her maid, but that's exactly how I feel.

I get married in September, my MOH is yet to receive an RSVP to my hen. SIL has barely spoken to me about the wedding. She has always treated me with such disdain, like I'm not a permanent fixture. I could understand it if pre me, DP was a player and had a different girl every week, but he only had a few other girl friends before me and they only lasted a year or so. He certainly didn't live with or propose to any of them.

I have 2 brothers, I haven't always been fond of their girlfriends, however you'd never have known, as whether I liked them or not I was still polite and friendly and made conversation where I could.

I guess it's been 5 years and most of the time, especially since we've moved away, I don't really give her a second thought. DP talks about her and tells me what she's been up to etc a lot and I just make the right noises. It is easy for me to just forget about her. But on weeks like this, where I am due to be in her company for 3-4 days at a time, I just feel really resentful and exhausted at the prospect of having to 'entertain' her as a guest. Why should I make the effort to make her welcome in my home when she can barely bring herself to acknowledge me? Well, in fact that's all she does.

It's strange, because we're actually very similar people. There is only 2 years age difference between us, we're both sociable types with lots of friends (sorry that sounds bleurgh I know!) we like the same music, both like to have a drink and a laugh. Yet, she's just never been arsed about getting to know me, at first it made me feel like crap, now it just makes me feel angry and resentful that I have to be all sweetness and light to her.

So.....WIBU to feign an illness and hide in the bedroom all weekend to avoid her and having to listen to no doubt everyone sitting there discussing only her and what she's been doing and what she feels for hours on end?! (Mostly joking about the feigning illness part!)

Has anyone else got a SIL that makes no effort or practically blanks them for no apparent reason? If so, how do you deal with it?

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Muldjewangk · 23/03/2016 23:33

OP ask him why she doesn't ask you how you are. Ask him why she needs to stay so often. Ask him why she and her husband don't clean up their mess. Ask him why she and his mother made comments when you were away. Don't ask all these questions at once, just one every now and again.

I find it so much easier to ask the questions, then the person I am asking has to give me an answer. He might deny it all at first but he will or should start to notice all of the questions you have.

I would not be marrying this man until you have this sorted. It will only get worse later on, especially when you have children.

Shopaholic84 · 24/03/2016 09:50

I suppose I do need to have a chat with him.

I'm going to leave it until after they've left this weekend I think. See how they are this time. (Not that I suspect anything will be different!)

I'm not sure I haven't spoken to him because I'm scared he'll tell me to bugger off, I guess there is a small element of that but mainly...I don't really get what he can do anyway.

I will say could they visit less frequently as he's seeing them quite a lot at the moment due to work (and this project is not due to end until August so still plenty of time for him to see them most weeks meaning they don't have to keep coming up here!!)

I will say that if he invites them up, he can be the one to clean up after them. In fairness, I have already had that arguement with them after last time as I was FUMING when they all left. He apologised and said he had done the majority of the running around and that he hadn't realised they'd left a mess until they'd gone (play doh incident!)

There will be NO play doh this time.

The trouble is, DP is just a really 'nice' guy, he genuinely is. He would do anything for most people and actually loves doing stuff for others, so he doesn't seem them swooping in every other month as any sort of inconvenience, particularly as they are his family! Add to that that mother and sister have an incredible air of self important and entitlement (that he's grown up with) and he really sees their visit as a privalige! Grin

To top it all, SIL texted him last night saying 'The dogs will need to be kept in the utility room all weekend please, we don't want them anywhere near niece'

Whilst I can totally appreciate that, they are 2 soft as crap labs (she knows this, she's known them both for years!!) No, don't leave DN and dogs together at any time obviously, but I feel peed off that they've got to be shut away in one room for 3-4 days at her insistence. I would never TELL someone what to do in their own home.

I think I woke up on the wrong side of bed this morning!

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ElementaryMyDear · 24/03/2016 09:54

I would suggest you use this weekend to try to open DH's eyes a bit. Point out the mess every time his sister walks away and leaves it, when she's been monopolising the conversation mention that it's a bit odd that she takes no interest in him and his life, ask him if he noticed her blanking you, and so on.

FantasticButtocks · 24/03/2016 09:59

It's not ok for her to dictate where your dogs spend the entire Easter weekend. No. Just no. I'd say to DH that if people want to invite themselves for the weekend and he's fine with that, then he must put his foot down with his sister.

curren · 24/03/2016 10:03

To top it all, SIL texted him last night saying 'The dogs will need to be kept in the utility room all weekend please, we don't want them anywhere near niece'

This is a perfect opportunity.

I would say 'dp, keeping the dogs in the utility room for three days isn't practical and cruel to the dogs. Your sister needs to stay in a hotel or not come because I am not shitting the dogs away all weekend'

curren · 24/03/2016 10:03

Whoops shutting not shitting Grin

diddl · 24/03/2016 10:05

"he really sees their visit as a privalige!"

Oh dear.

Sounds as if he daren't say no & lets them do as they wish rather than risk them not wanting to use see him.

They aren't worth bothering with!

MyLifeisaboxofwormgears · 24/03/2016 10:11

You have a real family hierarchy problem.
DP's sister will ALWAYS rank higher than you - it is clear your DP worships her and expects you to fall in with everything she wants.
This will continue all your life.
You will be bottom of the pile and the servant class. Her children will rank over your children.
Your DP doesn't even try to prioritise you over his sister. This isn't good and will actually get worse. When your MIL dies your SIL will become the family matriarch and you will be treated even worse and your husband will do it to you as well.

You are far too nice, which is why you are being treated like a servant and someone who is allowed no feelings or life of your own.

I really would not marry into this dynamic.

Shopaholic84 · 24/03/2016 11:02

It really is like that.

They never do anything for him. In the whole time I've known him, I would struggle to count even on one hand the times that they have done anything for him. It's always him running around to accommodate them and them lapping it up.

And then on top of that, us all sitting around fawning over SIL and niece. Niece I can understand to a point obviously but TBH even that grinds my gears after a while. I like children as much as the next person but I can't sit around staring at a child all day, ohhhing and awwwing over absolutely everything it does and the only topic of conversation being about SIL and niece. I always end up looking out of the window longingly thinking about all the stuff I could be doing with other, sane people!

God, I feel like such a bitch. I need to get over myself I know.

I will talk to DP Monday eve before he goes back down there neck of the woods for work on Tues eve!

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WonderingAspie · 24/03/2016 11:14

Do NOT keep YOUR dogs in YOUR home confined to a small room all weekend because the fucking queen sister says so! If you do then you are an absolute push over. She is taking the piss. If she doesn't want the dogs around her child the give her the number of the nearest travelodge.

GlindatheFairy · 24/03/2016 11:17

Sounds like you don't like her very much. Why should she like you then, in that case?

Shopaholic84 · 24/03/2016 11:23

I have said I'm not comfortable keeping them locked up all weekend. I've said we'll have to make an exception in the evenings when we're all sitting in the lounge. They are fine, I have a 3 year old niece myself and she has been around them and played with them almost since birth! To be honest they don't really take that much notice of children and there's 2 of them so they tend to just play between themselves but mostly, especially in the evenings, they just crash out together in front of the fire.

Glind- I honestly had no problem with her for ages. I really didn't. But it's been 5 years of me making effort and her just being, quite frankly rude and self absorbed. So yes, I guess I am now not feeling quite so generous towards her. I also do find the constant fawning over her with everyone in his family slightly nauseating and exhausting.

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curren · 24/03/2016 11:23

And has he told her this?

That's the dogs are not being locked up? What was her response?

Hillfarmer · 24/03/2016 11:24

OP, what on earth is stopping you from saying 'No.' Just say 'No, I'm not happy with that'.

SiL coming to stay? 'No, I'm not happy with that'.

Dogs in the utility room? 'No, that's not going to happen.'

As curren says, SIL has given you the perfect opportunity. Don't hum and hah about the dogs, just say 'I'm not shutting the dogs away for the weekend and that's that. Our house, our dogs, our rules. She can stay in a hotel if she doesn't like it.'

What stops you from saying this? It is your house too. You talk as if you are a minor player in this scenario. You know the score, you know how annoying they are, you know what this w/e is going to be like. Why suffer it yet again? Use the dog thing as the greatest excuse ever to say 'NO'.

curren · 24/03/2016 11:30

I just don't get this. If dh sister wanted to come stay, he would ask and I really like her and her dh and her daughter. He would still run it past me.

If my dbro and sil wanted to stay, it would be no. 'You will need to stay in a hotel' because they are dicks.

I haven't got a dog at moment. No way would anyone be staying the expected me to lock my dog up, trashed my house had an a obvious distain for me.

And me and dh would discuss this. No falling out. He knows I don't like his mum. She is very critical offer Ds. I managed to tell him without slagging her off.

I just can't see why, you can't just tell him. It's setting yourself up for a lifetime of shit.

Chinesealan · 24/03/2016 11:30

Please don't have her to stay. She's horrible and it's your home. You need to talk to you DP today.
BTW, I'm fascinated to know what they like about her. Why do the family adore her?

Shopaholic84 · 24/03/2016 11:37

I have said no. He's said okay and has backed down. I have no idea whether he's told SIL yet but I WILL stand my ground with it in front of her.

TBH you're all right. I pander to it and not anymore. Those dogs are my 'babies' and I'm not having them shut away just because miss princess has 'ordered' It. No way.

And yes, if there is any mess left behind this time, or if it is just a crap/ painful visit in general. I'm going to sit DP down and tell him that, in future, I'd rather they stayed in a hotel. He will hit the roof at that I'm sure, and I can see why. We do have the space, but it's just not about that anymore. They don't all need to live in each others pockets.

Perhaps it's because I'm not overly close with my family. I love them and we all see each other once every few weeks now we're down here (they're nearer to where we moved!) but when we weren't near them, we'd see them once every few months, either we'd go down or they'd come up and they are really respectful and clean and tidy. I know it's easy for me to say that but it's true. There is no 'queen bee' it is all pretty relaxed and dare I say it 'normal' they never make demands (I.e with the dogs, they actually think it's important for children and dogs to mix and grow up with each other, never did us any harm when we were growing up!) and they certainly don't all sit and fawn over me. They love me, but they know I'm not perfect and that the sun doesn't shine out of my backside!

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Oldraver · 24/03/2016 11:38

Do not shut the dogs away, though two labs you say ? They need looong walks, especially if there is an excitable toddler in the house. Really long walks Wink

Birthgeek · 24/03/2016 11:41

Christ almighty... If you're too frightened to raise your concerns properly with your DP because you're afraid he would "tell you to bugger off", then you have an assertiveness problem. And your DP has a martyr-to-his-family problem.

No - they may not come and stay at X date, that doesn't work for you.
No - the dogs won't be locked up in the daytime or any other time.
No - you will not be cleaning up after his family - leave the mess there until one of them takes the initiative.

Shopaholic84 · 24/03/2016 11:50

I honestly don't know Chiensealan.

I know this is going to sound horrible but when I first met DP he really bigged her up, going on about how lovely she was, how fun she was AND how her and I are very similar and would really get on.

So, I have to admit, I felt an awful sense of anti climax when I DID finally meet her to discover that, actually, she was alright but certainly didn't come across as lovely or fun?! And definitely didn't seem like she'd get on with me as she ignored me the whole time I was there, apart from to smile and say 'hi' when I first walked in the house? I just put it down to first time meeting, not knowing each other etc. Then obviously it didn't get better.

Second time I met her, same thing. We were left alone a few times though (awkward Blush) and so I took the plunge and striked up conversation. She responded but in a very dead end, redundant way. She'd just for engaged so I thought a safe topic would be the wedding (as that's what everyone was banging on about anyway!) but she almost didn't want to really talk to me about it, almost like it was a really private thing, when in fact she was happy to discuss it in great detail with others in front of me?! So I changed topic to places we both went to to go out, bars, clubs etc. Music, clothes I can't even remember but I just remember her really not seeming interested at all.

And that's just the way it's always been. I get that you're not going to be boosom buddies with everyone you meet, I do. However, she only has the one brother, were similar ages, similar interests, both are sociable with good social lives etc. You'd think she could make the effort to find some common ground and have a chat, but no. Not interested.

I honestly have given up now. I'm not making the effort this weekend. I just can't be bothered anymore. I have my own life, family, friends etc, I don't need her. It would have been nice if we got on better and could chat relatively easily but fine.

Except my MOH has just texted me asking me to ask her whether she's attending the hen as she really needs to know numbers. Oh god, this is going to be cringe. In all honesty I don't want her there. She won't know anyone and although all my friends are lovely and would make her welcome and intergrate her, I know (from experience) she's not going to be bothered. I might ask her if she's attending because if she is, she's welcome to bring a friend so MOH will need to know for numbers. That way, it gives me an excuse and also, if she does attend she'll have someone there. MIL is coming but only for part of the day.

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averythinline · 24/03/2016 11:53

No to locking the dogs up thats cruel to them .... we dont have dogs so am nervous with them round children but would not be asking anyone to lock them away for a whole weekend (they've been before why new orders?) -its all about power)
next time your staring at the wall thinking oooh I could be doing x,y,z just get up and do it...esp if you're in your own home....

Please don't say you're such a bitch and you have woken up in a bad place/grump - do not minimise/excuse this ...you sound like you are finally getting the end of your tether ...lots of people would have been there a long time before you ....

I think its a real shame you feel he might bugger off..and you still want to marry him ???- I agree with the earlier poster if you feel like that now, that they are in charge of your family life as that's what this is.... it will be an awful lot worse when you're married or have kids Sad think you need to get some boundaries in now ..

you could have a look at the stately homes thread/topics for the pain and difficulty this can cause in the future

averythinline · 24/03/2016 12:02

why would you want her there? would just not mention it and tell MOH to book without her...again its power she wants/is used to people pandering/chasing her..
just call her bluff- if she moans say there was a deadline and she didnt reply..

you could be nice (nicer than me - I don't do pandering) and send her a text/email (so you have proof just asking yes or no and give response eg need to know by 6 tonight as booking) then if she doesn't reply etc just assume shes not coming..her look out..

You have family and friends you don't need her - so just remember that in every interaction and MIL gets pissed off -you don't need her either -
yes its nice if everyone gets on but you may not be able to change their behaviour you can change your reaction...

VenusRising · 24/03/2016 12:02

She does sound like she's trying to piss on your posts and mark her brother out as hers.

You need to talk with your dp and set some boundaries and then stand firm. Numbers of visits from anyone a year.
Who does all the hosting has to be organised before hand. How many hours of face time agreed.

And you need to have a mental clipboard handy to make notes on what she talks about, how much mess she leaves and how disrespectful she is towards how you run your home. Log her.

She sounds like an insecure controlling self absorbed narcissist.

Time to suggest a hotel?

I would not feel happy having unwelcome house guests staying so often.
I would not feel happy cleaning up so much after house guests.
I would not feel happy locking away my lovely pets for a weekend.
I would not feel happy spending hours massaging the ego of such a self-centred narcissist.
I would not feel so happy if my dp was Oking any visit from anyone without consulting me.

You need to assert yourself and TALK to your dp. Surely he's interested in your happiness?
Draw some lines. Stand up for what's important to you. If this is having an effect on your wanted relationship you need to start being more proactive to protect it.

Either that or turn off the boiler and tell your sil that there's no hot water!!

VenusRising · 24/03/2016 12:05

Don't invite her to your hen!
Not if you want to enjoy it, and don't want it rubbished.

Stand firm..

Hissy · 24/03/2016 12:06

Don't ask about the hen

Let her advise the moh. Leave it to them completely. Then if she doesn't go, it's down to her.