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My dad and DH have fallen out - what do I do?

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WelcomeToMusicTown · 18/03/2016 10:18

I don't want to drip-feed so apologies if this is long. My dad and my DH have fallen out and I feel stuck in the middle and unsure what to do.

DH and I (both in our 30s) have a 2 month old baby. When my waters broke just before midnight I went to the hospital alone, taking a taxi (we're in London, about 15-20 mins from the hospital depending on traffic). I insisted DH stay home as he wasn't feeling well, I knew I'd most likely be sent straight home, and I wanted him to get as much sleep as possible before I really needed him during active labour. He had his phone ringer on so had he needed to join me at the hospital he could have. In hindsight he feels that he should have insisted he come with me but I've always been very independent - in over 7 years together I've never asked or expected him to meet me at bus stops, walk me home etc - so in his tired and ill state he just accepted my insistence. As it happened I was indeed sent home and he went back with me in the morning when labour had progressed. I didn't think any more of it except feeling probably quite proud of myself for doing that first trip alone when I was heavily pregnant and a little in shock. Again in hindsight, that was probably quite naive of me but it didn't cross my mind to do it any differently.

My dad visited us a couple of weeks back and took DH aside to have a word. I had no idea what it was about as he'd said nothing to me, but it turned out he wanted to tell DH how upset he - and the rest of the family - was that he'd let me go to hospital alone in a vulnerable state. Their stories differ at this point. Dad says that he voiced his concerns but DH wouldn't listen so he lost his temper. DH says that my dad told him he's a bad father, that the whole family thinks so and that they've all - including me?! - been worrying about the hospital incident for weeks. In actual fact my mum says she was concerned (and of course I understand why) but she and my dad's partner made him promise not to bring it up and cause a scene - but he ignored that and did it anyway.

DH says my dad then grabbed him and raised his fist as if to hit him. DH at this point was freaked out by his aggression so pulled away from him and left our flat. All I know is I heard DH tell my dad to fuck off, then saw my dad, who was shaking with anger, chasing after him shouting that he was a fucking coward and to grow some balls. DH refused to come home until my dad had left.

I and my mum tend to believe DH's version as my dad has a history of being very short tempered and occasionally violent - DH literally wouldn't even raise his voice to someone and is the least aggressive person I know. My mum agrees that DH is probably telling the truth - she and my dad divorced partly because my dad was so volatile. He has in the past been held in a police cell after attacking his girlfriend (he claims not to remember) and has threatened suicide and self harm in the presence of, or in order to manipulate, me and my sisters.

To give a final bit of context: DH was already very stressed when my dad visited as my dad is very money and career focused and has on several occasions taken DH aside to ‘talk’ to him about his attitude to these things. DH isn't career-minded and I'm the main breadwinner in our relationship. He's also currently unemployed after being let go at new year and looking for a new job which has been making things hard work on top of having a new baby so he was already very depressed and down on himself and expecting a lecture from my dad made him feel worse. DH has made huge efforts to build a relationship with my dad but has been increasingly frustrated that dad only ever talks about money and doesn't seem interested in him as a person. Equally my dad is clearly frustrated that his daughter isn't being looked after in the traditional alpha male sense and while his approach is often wrong he clearly is just looking out for me.

However, after this fight my DH wants nothing more to do with my dad. He's scared of him, thinks he's frankly psychotic and isn't showing any signs of forgiving him for what he sees as an emotional and physical attack in his own home. My dad has tried to offer an olive branch via WhatsApp but DH won't accept his apology or even speak to him. This was really the last straw.

Now I'm in the situation of my dad wanting to still be part of my - and my baby's - life but logistically this now being difficult (he lives a couple of hours away) and also, to be completely honest, I feel resentful that he went ahead and caused this situation despite my mum and his current partner both begging him not to say anything. He's sending me very nice messages and claiming that he doesn't want to jeopardise my relationship with DH but that's all very well in hindsight - as usual he had to say his piece and to hell with the consequences. He's had a problem with my DH for a while so this was a long time coming but I'm angry that it had to be now when we're already going through a lot. I'm questioning whether I really want this man in my life but knowing how volatile and depressive he is I would, at the end of the day, feel bad for cutting him out. It's also not in my nature to do so.

I do wonder if I and my mum/sisters have been enabling this behaviour for too long. My mum agrees in one breath but in the other is saying he's still my dad and is checking to make sure I'm still sending him pictures of my baby so he doesn't miss out.

I just don't know how to navigate this situation. I'd like DH to at least listen to dad's apology but can also see why he no longer wants anything to do with him. To be honest I'm sure that in time he may come round to at least tolerating my dad's presence. But how can I continue a normal relationship with my dad, and make him part of my baby's life, with such a big elephant in the room? I'm still sending baby pictures to him and replying to his messages but I'm struggling to muster any enthusiasm for staying in contact. Even the mention or thought of my dad makes me feel very down.

Who here is being unreasonable? Am I? Is my DH for not wanting any more to do with him? Or is my dad?

OP posts:
houseeveryweekend · 20/03/2016 01:27

sorry thought I should elaborate.... Its not just disrespectful to your OH but to you..... you decided to go into hospital by yourself and your father has decided he doesn't like that decision hes also decided he doesn't want to do what you ask and not confront your OH about it..... it doesn't sound like your father respects you at all... or your mother... or your OH...... so honestly.. why are you even giving this man the time of day?

WelcomeToMusicTown · 20/03/2016 01:57

Wow, some people seem determined to trash my DH's character and extrapolate wildly from my story.

Fwiw he wasn't 'resting in bed' but puking his guts up. Being a caring sort I thought it best he wasn't dragged away from doing that while I made an up to two hour round trip/hospital visit, responsibly and safely in a taxi, as a grown up adult who'd been travelling alone and unsupervised throughout my pregnancy as per normal and even (gasp) at night. It was my decision and as some have pointed out, if anything I'm the one in the wrong for cutting him out. Yes, labour could have progressed more quickly than I realised but he wasn't exactly far away had I needed him to come in. As it happened my instincts were right and I was sent home.

As for him being happy for me to bring in a 'wage', we both work (normally) and do that. He's hardly sitting around as a man of leisure cackling away while I do all the work. He also spent a good month of his time being unemployed being a very hands on new dad - I'd like to see anyone in that position manage to simultaneously and successfully job hunt!

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Baconyum · 20/03/2016 02:42

Absolutely nothing wrong with dh not going with you as he was ill sensible decision given the circumstances.

Your father is clearly an abusive and manipulative man. So is mine. My opinion is that certainly don't put pressure on dh to have any more to do with your father, he did absolutely the right thing in walking (not running as one poster suggested Hmm) away so as to defuse the situation.

I went NC with my father for a long time and was foolishly duped into having contact with him again which I very much regret, not least because he started being horrible to my dd too. People like this don't change because they think everyone else is wrong (in your case not accepting responsibility for battering his gf for starters).

Going NC is hard but tbh I wish I'd stuck with it because the time I was nc was one of the most peaceful in my life!

Lovemylittlebears · 20/03/2016 04:01

Completely understand your dad wanting to give your dh a good speaking to after not insisting to come with you to hospital but violence etc etc unacceptable and a real concern. Not sure what I would do. Perhaps would give dad one more chance and make it clear that any violence and it's no contact. Dh could either not be there when he visits or hopefully agree to be the bigger person and accept olive branch and if a foot is put out of line then that's it. Hope it has tainted your time with your new baby too much x

Lovemylittlebears · 20/03/2016 04:04

Ps meant to say I would have in your circumstances done the same and felt fine about it. But on the other hand if this were to happen to my daughter when she is older I would go ape shit as would want to know she was being really well looked after even if she is an independent woman x

JohnThomas69 · 20/03/2016 05:29

You're living with a wet blanket that contributes nothing to the upkeep of you or your baby and lay in his bed while you got a taxi to hospital because your waters broke. What kind of a man allows that to happen? As for your dad, did you think he'd be shaking his hand and giving him a big hug.

TheSinkingFeeling · 20/03/2016 07:51

More posters having a go at the husband for no apparent reason, while excusing the violence of the OPs father. Unbelievable.

Aeroflotgirl · 20/03/2016 08:02

lovemylittlebears are you serious! You sound really nice. Op said that he had a bug and was throwing up, absolutely Noway should he be in that hospital with vulnerable patients, he would have been sent home! Bloody hell, the mentality of some in here Hmm

Aeroflotgirl · 20/03/2016 08:12

Omg just read some more trash, the excuses for this violent Bully is shocking.

Aeroflotgirl · 20/03/2016 08:12

john Hmm

Lovemylittlebears · 20/03/2016 08:14

Yes am serious :) where it's your own baby concerned I think all perspective goes out the window and my main thought would be about my daughter (probably because I'm an over protective mum). I would honestly have had a word with her husband and said either you should have gone to make sure she was ok or you could have rang me so that I could have gone (not saying that was possible in ops shoes but that would be my reaction). So I can understand family reactions at being upset. But equally I would have done the same in the OPs shoes. I'm really not one to speak to be honest as mid contractions I took my daughter to see Santa as she was really looking forward to it and told my partner to finish his work at home. So pot and kettle. Struggled with the drive home and then got partner to drive me to hospital after. Very silly and I won't do it again - but daughter loved the whole Santa experience :)

Blu · 20/03/2016 08:20

Good luck OP, I think telling your Dad what's what is the right way forwards.

Fwiw now, my first reaction to reading your OP is that your Dad is a typical old skool male chauvinist pig: disrespecting YOUR choice to go to hospital, discussing your decision with 'the man if the house ' , your DP, and not with you, and rather than 'just looking out for you' out of love, being a bullying control freak.

What a terrible load to put up with in what should be the proud, blissful months of new parenthood Angry

WelcomeToMusicTown · 20/03/2016 08:25

lovemylittlebears I do understand why my family and dad in particular were upset. But my mum thought it best to keep her concerns to herself, knowing not only that it's not her business but also that bringing it up after the fact when we're both exhausted and when DH is in a fragile state due to work issues would be inappropriate.

To be honest I wish they'd just said something to me - my dad's constant need to interfere with my DH's life (even if he means well) is what caused tension in the first place. DH was avoiding him all day as he didn't want another lecture about work (we didn't know what dad actually wanted to talk about) so he was getting increasingly stressed anticipating a 'talk' and my dad was getting increasingly frustrated because despite being asked not to say something by my mum and his partner he clearly couldn't hold back. It was a recipe for disaster.

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Aeroflotgirl · 20/03/2016 08:29

Op dh did nothing wrong, he was clearly ill, and would have been much more useful in bed, not driving op to hospital, and certainly not accompanying her in labour, hello vulnerable babies, infection control!!!!!!!

Op dh, was being a stay at home dad, looking after baby, whilst op was working, the sexism on this thread is shocking. Nobody criticises stay at home mums, but has a good old go at op dh, who is staying at home looking after baby!!!! Op your dh sounds fantastic, I hope he gets a job soon, I know it is hard, the abundance of jobs that some mumsnetters think there are, do not exist!

Aeroflotgirl · 20/03/2016 08:31

Your dad is a violent and abusive bully, I personally would not expose him to my child, he is bullying your dh and undermining your family. I would cut him loose, unless you want your relationship with your dh to survive.

Lovemylittlebears · 20/03/2016 08:35

Yes that would have been a much better way to deal with things. Hope it is all sorted out for you soon. Sounds stressful x

WelcomeToMusicTown · 20/03/2016 08:35

I just realised why some of the ire may be bring directed at my DH here - because he didn't drive me to hospital. I didn't think it was relevant but I should add he doesn't drive so we would both have been getting a taxi (as we did the next two times we went in during my labour). Therefore his presence wouldn't have made much difference on that first visit!

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Toraleistripe · 20/03/2016 08:37

Ugh what a mess OP. Feel for you. You have had lots of advice so I won't give you any more but.....have been in a similar situation. My DH got into an argument with both of my parents. Both of them were in the wrong to some degree but it started because my parents continue to treat both of us as kids. There was a big row and my parents stormed out. I later found out that my Dad had been thinking of hitting my DH!!!!!!! WTF!

Anyway it eventually blew over but there is still resentment on both sides. They continue to tip toe around each other. It's not great tbh. I always feel stuck in the middle. The only thing is that parents live 3 hours away and we don't see them often. It's a horrible situation though.

PoppieD · 20/03/2016 08:37

johnthomas really?? OP speaking as someone who already has hyperemesis and then caught a D&V bug from someone with great intentions when visiting I'm glad you knew was a good idea for DH not to go with you while vomiting! Doubt he could have driven or the taxi would have even taken him! Am sure has been mentioned but your F is prob annoyed his way is not being followed and hence being an arse!!

Lovemylittlebears · 20/03/2016 08:40

Also was going to say my partner was out of work just before had my daughter and I had to go back to work pretty early (no maternity pay as self employed) and he was a stay at home dad for a year. He did a fantastic job and we just got on with it until he found a job and I could slow down a little bit. Fingers crossed things work out for your dh as the pressure of looking for a job and having a young baby isn't easy either.

JolseBaby · 20/03/2016 08:41

Hello! The 1950's called and would like some posters back!

Her DH was vomiting. Obviously the most sensible choice was to take him to a labour ward full of pregnant and newly delivered women. Potentially spreading round a vomiting bug to tiny little newborn babies with no immune systems, isn't something to worry about, is it? I am sure the staff would have welcomed him with open arms!

And gosh unemployment means that you are a wimp, a wet blanket and a burden doesn't it? Whilst OP goes out as the breadwinner - shocking. Obviously OP is lying when she has mentioned several times already that he is actively looking for work, but whilst at home is being a fully hands-on parent. I would be really interested to know whether these posters are raising their daughters to believe that they must never out-earn a man. The gender stereotypes are bloody depressing and I am quite frankly astonished that someone can post some really nasty comments about the OP's DH, but appear to think that putting a kiss at the end of their post makes it all sound nice and supportive. But then I don't get the whole thing about putting 'x' at the end of everything you write.

OP - ignore the loons. Hope you are having a lovely Sunday with your DH and baby.

LittleLionMansMummy · 20/03/2016 08:57

If I'm honest, I strongly suspect my dad (and mum probably) would have had a similar reaction to me going to hospital alone, regardless of whose idea/ insistence it was. I'm independent too, but I'm certain my dh would have won that particular argument and come with me.

But as for everything else, I don't blame your dh for wanting nothing to do with your dad. It's a huge shame for you as I realise you want your dd to have a relationship with her grandfather. I'd be making it clear to my dad that I found his behaviour unacceptable and was firmly on dh's 'side' but ask him to back off for a while and see if some time and space allows your dh to cool down. Over time he might be prepared to give your dad another chance, but if so I'd be making it clear it was a final chance and if he steps out of line again you won't be asking dh to forgive and forget.

Aeroflotgirl · 20/03/2016 08:57

Gosh some people have never left the 1950's, the fact that op dh does not drive, will be more stones to throw at him, as well as him looking for work, and not playing fisty cuffs with a violent abusive bully. So he is wet and weak, not punching the lights out of dad, and being a stay at home dad Hmm.

Aeroflotgirl · 20/03/2016 08:59

littlelion if you have read, the op dh had a vomitting bug, the last thing that hospital needs is somebody bringing that in, and to be passed onto the vulnerable. The best thing he could have done, was stay at home, for 48 hours, to prevent the spread of infection. If a newborn or preterm gets a stomach bug, it can be life threatening!!!!

Lovemylittlebears · 20/03/2016 09:29

Wow no point going all arm chair warrior on the use of an x bad times indeed! ;)

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