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My dad and DH have fallen out - what do I do?

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WelcomeToMusicTown · 18/03/2016 10:18

I don't want to drip-feed so apologies if this is long. My dad and my DH have fallen out and I feel stuck in the middle and unsure what to do.

DH and I (both in our 30s) have a 2 month old baby. When my waters broke just before midnight I went to the hospital alone, taking a taxi (we're in London, about 15-20 mins from the hospital depending on traffic). I insisted DH stay home as he wasn't feeling well, I knew I'd most likely be sent straight home, and I wanted him to get as much sleep as possible before I really needed him during active labour. He had his phone ringer on so had he needed to join me at the hospital he could have. In hindsight he feels that he should have insisted he come with me but I've always been very independent - in over 7 years together I've never asked or expected him to meet me at bus stops, walk me home etc - so in his tired and ill state he just accepted my insistence. As it happened I was indeed sent home and he went back with me in the morning when labour had progressed. I didn't think any more of it except feeling probably quite proud of myself for doing that first trip alone when I was heavily pregnant and a little in shock. Again in hindsight, that was probably quite naive of me but it didn't cross my mind to do it any differently.

My dad visited us a couple of weeks back and took DH aside to have a word. I had no idea what it was about as he'd said nothing to me, but it turned out he wanted to tell DH how upset he - and the rest of the family - was that he'd let me go to hospital alone in a vulnerable state. Their stories differ at this point. Dad says that he voiced his concerns but DH wouldn't listen so he lost his temper. DH says that my dad told him he's a bad father, that the whole family thinks so and that they've all - including me?! - been worrying about the hospital incident for weeks. In actual fact my mum says she was concerned (and of course I understand why) but she and my dad's partner made him promise not to bring it up and cause a scene - but he ignored that and did it anyway.

DH says my dad then grabbed him and raised his fist as if to hit him. DH at this point was freaked out by his aggression so pulled away from him and left our flat. All I know is I heard DH tell my dad to fuck off, then saw my dad, who was shaking with anger, chasing after him shouting that he was a fucking coward and to grow some balls. DH refused to come home until my dad had left.

I and my mum tend to believe DH's version as my dad has a history of being very short tempered and occasionally violent - DH literally wouldn't even raise his voice to someone and is the least aggressive person I know. My mum agrees that DH is probably telling the truth - she and my dad divorced partly because my dad was so volatile. He has in the past been held in a police cell after attacking his girlfriend (he claims not to remember) and has threatened suicide and self harm in the presence of, or in order to manipulate, me and my sisters.

To give a final bit of context: DH was already very stressed when my dad visited as my dad is very money and career focused and has on several occasions taken DH aside to ‘talk’ to him about his attitude to these things. DH isn't career-minded and I'm the main breadwinner in our relationship. He's also currently unemployed after being let go at new year and looking for a new job which has been making things hard work on top of having a new baby so he was already very depressed and down on himself and expecting a lecture from my dad made him feel worse. DH has made huge efforts to build a relationship with my dad but has been increasingly frustrated that dad only ever talks about money and doesn't seem interested in him as a person. Equally my dad is clearly frustrated that his daughter isn't being looked after in the traditional alpha male sense and while his approach is often wrong he clearly is just looking out for me.

However, after this fight my DH wants nothing more to do with my dad. He's scared of him, thinks he's frankly psychotic and isn't showing any signs of forgiving him for what he sees as an emotional and physical attack in his own home. My dad has tried to offer an olive branch via WhatsApp but DH won't accept his apology or even speak to him. This was really the last straw.

Now I'm in the situation of my dad wanting to still be part of my - and my baby's - life but logistically this now being difficult (he lives a couple of hours away) and also, to be completely honest, I feel resentful that he went ahead and caused this situation despite my mum and his current partner both begging him not to say anything. He's sending me very nice messages and claiming that he doesn't want to jeopardise my relationship with DH but that's all very well in hindsight - as usual he had to say his piece and to hell with the consequences. He's had a problem with my DH for a while so this was a long time coming but I'm angry that it had to be now when we're already going through a lot. I'm questioning whether I really want this man in my life but knowing how volatile and depressive he is I would, at the end of the day, feel bad for cutting him out. It's also not in my nature to do so.

I do wonder if I and my mum/sisters have been enabling this behaviour for too long. My mum agrees in one breath but in the other is saying he's still my dad and is checking to make sure I'm still sending him pictures of my baby so he doesn't miss out.

I just don't know how to navigate this situation. I'd like DH to at least listen to dad's apology but can also see why he no longer wants anything to do with him. To be honest I'm sure that in time he may come round to at least tolerating my dad's presence. But how can I continue a normal relationship with my dad, and make him part of my baby's life, with such a big elephant in the room? I'm still sending baby pictures to him and replying to his messages but I'm struggling to muster any enthusiasm for staying in contact. Even the mention or thought of my dad makes me feel very down.

Who here is being unreasonable? Am I? Is my DH for not wanting any more to do with him? Or is my dad?

OP posts:
kawliga · 20/03/2016 22:06

Nobody has said violence is ok. Many posters are saying what Oyster said way upthread: Your dad was absolutely in the wrong, there's no excuse for his behaviour. However he probably sees it as his daughter is married to an unemployed bum who can't even be bothered to go to the hospital with her. He thinks there was some justification in what he said and he was trying to protect you in a very inept way.

Resting in bed owing to vomiting, not knowing how to drive, not taking wife to hospital in labour because she insisted on going alone, not being employed, all these are things that can happen to anyone, of course, but in this case they are the factors winding up OP's dad. He should not respond with violence but many of us can see where he's coming from.

With the NC thing, OP has said a number of times that he offers them support. She wrote The thing is that I know my dad loves me and he's gone out of his way in the past to support me in practical ways as well as (much more rarely) emotionally. He's not always gone about it the right way but I've known his heart has been in the right place.

NameChange30 · 20/03/2016 22:10

"not taking wife to hospital in labour because she insisted on going alone"

You still haven't established how this could possibly be a bad thing. If someone insists, you respect their wishes, you don't override them. How hard is that for you people to understand?!

NeedsAsockamnesty · 20/03/2016 22:10

They do wind the op's dad up, but only because the op's dad is a violent abusive arse.

None of those things are things that would bother a decent man who was not.

NameChange30 · 20/03/2016 22:11

Not to mention his other "crimes" on that list. God forbid anyone should be ill or unemployed Hmm Oh hang on, are you George Osborne?!

WelcomeToMusicTown · 20/03/2016 22:22

I said DH doesn't drive, not that he can't. We live in London - cars are largely unnecessary. But of course my bum of a husband should have bought one just for this occasion despite the existence of taxis and public transport.

OP posts:
Waltermittythesequel · 20/03/2016 22:53

Not really sure why this hands on parenting is supposed to be oh so wonderful.

Parent who is home all day parents own child.

Not exactly Mother Theresa stuff, is it? It's just a dad being a dad.

BoneyBackJefferson · 20/03/2016 22:59

Waltermittythesequel
Not really sure why this hands on parenting is supposed to be oh so wonderful.

No-one is saying that its wonderful, just that he isn't a cocklodger.

Blu · 20/03/2016 23:04

OP: this is what comes of posting in AIBU.
It's like MN with an ASBO.

Waltermittythesequel · 20/03/2016 23:04

OP made mention of him looking after baby AND looking for work all at the same time.

To me that's just...well, just being a grown up, isn't it?!

BoneyBackJefferson · 20/03/2016 23:04

kawliga
"Nobody has said violence is ok."

many posters have certainly excused the violent behaviour, by saying that the OP's father is a concerned grandparent, that he is an alpha male.
in fact you posted that she should ignore the abusive and violent behaviour because she may need his support one day.

And many posters are so adamant that the OP's DH must be wrong that they are ignoring what the real issue is.

DiscoGlitter · 20/03/2016 23:10

As for my dad, he wants to meet up in central London at some point with my son so he can at least see him. He isn't imposing himself on our home and as far as I can tell has resolved to stay away until/unless this blows over and DH is willing to build bridges.

WTF? Why? Sorry, been following this thread all the way up until now and am eventually chipping in. What on EARTH does your DH have to feel sorry for, or be willing to build bridges for?!
Your dad, as hard as this may sound, sounds like a complete, total, abusive bully and no way should you be subjecting your family unit to that.
Especially one with little children in there.
I wouldn't want him anywhere near.
Hard when it's your dad, but why should it be any different just because he's family?
Your DH sounds great. Support him. As for the the posters saying your DH was wet for not standing up to him, they have serious man issues of their own going on. What do they want? A Jezza style scrap on your doorstep with DH asserting his position as a man?! Hmm
Your DH handled it brilliantly.

Aeroflotgirl · 20/03/2016 23:12

Eye rolls at kawliga, op dh is not an unemployed bum, he is a stay at home dad actively looking for work. Just because he is not career driven, does not mean he is lazy, and a cocklodger, I hope he finds a job soon he enjoys. Really some people are twisting the op and making stuff up and are thoroughly unpleasant. Op dh is very aware and isreally down on himself. I still fail to see how a violent, abusive individual can offer any support, without it being about control and for their own means. Or have you missed the part where op said that her dad threatened suicide and emotionally blackmailed her and her sister Hmm.

WeDoNotSow · 20/03/2016 23:14

I'm sure if any of your sons became unemployed you'd tell them asap to move out of the family home so they weren't a cocklodger.
I'm sure if it were your own sons you'd be happy for their FIL to take them aside constantly for little 'chats' in their own home?
And then get physical? And you'd tell them they were pathetic for not knocking him out there and then?

Yeah, course you'd all be reacting the same if it were your own sons.
The amount of pathetic women on here who need 'looking after' and see this behaviour as acceptable as the dad is only 'looking after' her is so worrying.
I hope my children don't grow up with this poisonous attitude, I'll work very hard to make sure they don't Sad

ElementaryMyDear · 20/03/2016 23:19

Resting in bed owing to vomiting, not knowing how to drive, not taking wife to hospital in labour because she insisted on going alone, not being employed, all these are things that can happen to anyone, of course, but in this case they are the factors winding up OP's dad. He should not respond with violence but many of us can see where he's coming from

Well, the only place I can see OP's Dad coming from is a place occupied by bullying and stupid arseholes. OP has said he wasn't resting in bed, he was puking his guts up. If he had insisted on overriding his wife's wishes and puked up all over the labour ward, he would have been a dickhead. Someone who is wound up because his son in law has been out of a job for two months and is actively looking for a new job is an idiot. Someone who is wound up because someone else chooses not to drive when there are plenty of taxis available is a mega-idiot.

TaliZorahVasNormandy · 20/03/2016 23:19

What happens if her DS or sisters children invoke his ire. He's abused his wife, his girlfriend, children and son in law. Whats to stop him for targetting his grandchildren?

Abusers dont care who the target is, just as long as they've got one.

Aeroflotgirl · 20/03/2016 23:25

OP and her mother are still in this abusive relationship with the father, she acknowledges that it is abusive and questions his involvement in her and her families life, but also carries thus guilt complex, and is still being controlled and manipulated by him. Her dh does not have that emotional connection with him, and can see the op dad for who he really is, as a result quite rightly does not want anything to do with him.

Aeroflotgirl · 20/03/2016 23:29

Exactly Tali, he is physically and emotionally abusive. He threatens suicide and blackmails, to get op and her sister just where he wants them. Already his abuse is filtering through to his grandchildren, how he ignores op sister, his sole attention is his grandchild. Not long until his control and abuse reach his grandchildren, op if you know what's good for your family you have to go NC.

antimatter · 20/03/2016 23:45

I think you should just keep your father at a distance. He is interfering with your and your DH relationship under the pretence that he means well.

Soon he is going to manspalin to you how to bring up your dc and be a good mum!

You DF is not nice person.
Go NC for now and reasses in a few months time.

Tell your mother you don't have to do anything to placate your father and "keep him in your dc life! - this is a way to coercing you to still be under his spell.

Your father should enroll anger control classes and not interfere ever in his grown up kids life.

Baconyum · 20/03/2016 23:47

Seriously concerned about the families of the posters who think the fathers behaviour not only OK but expected and reasonable!

AmysTiara · 20/03/2016 23:54

Bizarre replies here. I have no words for kawliga's weird way of thinking.

OP your dad sounds awful. I'd be giving him a wide berth Im afraid

JockTamsonsBairns · 21/03/2016 00:58

If your Dh was puking up all over the place at midnight, should he really have been on the labour ward the next morning?

FillingMakesMeVom · 21/03/2016 01:50

According to many on this thread yes!

FillingMakesMeVom · 21/03/2016 02:10

Just so I can measure this up right as I feel like I'm going insane this is how I see it.

DH has depression.... He is a loser

OP insisted she go alone knowing it's very likely she would be sent straight home and DH could be better in the morning... DH is a loser and there must be a reason why she chose this and that DH is bad (not just because he's I'll)

DH has a Vomiting bug... DH is unreliable

DH insists he goes to hospital against OPs wishes with vomiting bug... DH is an inconsiderate cunt pushing himself on OP and putting pregnant women and new born children at risk.

DH stands up for himself and "stands up to an old man" ... He is an abusive cunt who attacked an old vulnerable man

DH walks away from a violent situation... He's a wet lettuce, loser who should stand up to himself

DH is unemployed and looking for work...DH is a liability and a cocklodger and it's unfair to heap that all on OP

DH is essentially a SAHD... Still a cocklodger he should really get a job and being a burden

DH doesn't drive ... He's a useless member of society

Like literally this DH can't do anything right, in a way it's easier to be a pregnant woman/ new mother seems like they can do nothing wrong.

So feminism is all about women going out to work, making choices, breaking stereotypes but when a man follows a woman's choice, is breaking the norm by being a SAHD he's an unreliable cocklodger who's a burden

Seems men are completely fucked literally 0 choices, whilst women can do whatever they please because of any of this was reversed the OP would be a saint and have handled it perfectly and would be lauded because essentially the person in question is:

A Depressed stay at home parent looking for a job, who listened to a persons wishes and kept them safe as well as many pregnant women and new born baby's, who walked away from an aggressive confrontation after being continuously looked down upon, who doesn't drive

Aeroflotgirl · 21/03/2016 07:30

^^This^^^

Some posters rational is plain wrong. Op dh should not have been on the labour ward in the morning, after throwing up that night, he should have waited 48 hours really.

op dh is wet and unreliable because:

He respected op wishes, and did not come to a place with vulnerable babies and women, when he has norovirus!

He has been out of work for a few months, is actively looking for work and being a stay at home dad, whilst op is working.

Has depression and is not career driven

Does not have a car, due to not needing one

Did the right thing, and walked away from a volatile and aggressive situation, instead of giving op dad what for!

Is a gentle and kind man, who is a good husband and father

Geese the mentality of some shocking, instead siding with an abusive and controlling individual, who is known for domestic violence, so much that he has been in Police custody. I would hate some of you to give me advice!

Aeroflotgirl · 21/03/2016 07:42

I do think op dh sounds a bit down and confidence low, he could do with some counselling or CBT to help.

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