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My dad and DH have fallen out - what do I do?

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WelcomeToMusicTown · 18/03/2016 10:18

I don't want to drip-feed so apologies if this is long. My dad and my DH have fallen out and I feel stuck in the middle and unsure what to do.

DH and I (both in our 30s) have a 2 month old baby. When my waters broke just before midnight I went to the hospital alone, taking a taxi (we're in London, about 15-20 mins from the hospital depending on traffic). I insisted DH stay home as he wasn't feeling well, I knew I'd most likely be sent straight home, and I wanted him to get as much sleep as possible before I really needed him during active labour. He had his phone ringer on so had he needed to join me at the hospital he could have. In hindsight he feels that he should have insisted he come with me but I've always been very independent - in over 7 years together I've never asked or expected him to meet me at bus stops, walk me home etc - so in his tired and ill state he just accepted my insistence. As it happened I was indeed sent home and he went back with me in the morning when labour had progressed. I didn't think any more of it except feeling probably quite proud of myself for doing that first trip alone when I was heavily pregnant and a little in shock. Again in hindsight, that was probably quite naive of me but it didn't cross my mind to do it any differently.

My dad visited us a couple of weeks back and took DH aside to have a word. I had no idea what it was about as he'd said nothing to me, but it turned out he wanted to tell DH how upset he - and the rest of the family - was that he'd let me go to hospital alone in a vulnerable state. Their stories differ at this point. Dad says that he voiced his concerns but DH wouldn't listen so he lost his temper. DH says that my dad told him he's a bad father, that the whole family thinks so and that they've all - including me?! - been worrying about the hospital incident for weeks. In actual fact my mum says she was concerned (and of course I understand why) but she and my dad's partner made him promise not to bring it up and cause a scene - but he ignored that and did it anyway.

DH says my dad then grabbed him and raised his fist as if to hit him. DH at this point was freaked out by his aggression so pulled away from him and left our flat. All I know is I heard DH tell my dad to fuck off, then saw my dad, who was shaking with anger, chasing after him shouting that he was a fucking coward and to grow some balls. DH refused to come home until my dad had left.

I and my mum tend to believe DH's version as my dad has a history of being very short tempered and occasionally violent - DH literally wouldn't even raise his voice to someone and is the least aggressive person I know. My mum agrees that DH is probably telling the truth - she and my dad divorced partly because my dad was so volatile. He has in the past been held in a police cell after attacking his girlfriend (he claims not to remember) and has threatened suicide and self harm in the presence of, or in order to manipulate, me and my sisters.

To give a final bit of context: DH was already very stressed when my dad visited as my dad is very money and career focused and has on several occasions taken DH aside to ‘talk’ to him about his attitude to these things. DH isn't career-minded and I'm the main breadwinner in our relationship. He's also currently unemployed after being let go at new year and looking for a new job which has been making things hard work on top of having a new baby so he was already very depressed and down on himself and expecting a lecture from my dad made him feel worse. DH has made huge efforts to build a relationship with my dad but has been increasingly frustrated that dad only ever talks about money and doesn't seem interested in him as a person. Equally my dad is clearly frustrated that his daughter isn't being looked after in the traditional alpha male sense and while his approach is often wrong he clearly is just looking out for me.

However, after this fight my DH wants nothing more to do with my dad. He's scared of him, thinks he's frankly psychotic and isn't showing any signs of forgiving him for what he sees as an emotional and physical attack in his own home. My dad has tried to offer an olive branch via WhatsApp but DH won't accept his apology or even speak to him. This was really the last straw.

Now I'm in the situation of my dad wanting to still be part of my - and my baby's - life but logistically this now being difficult (he lives a couple of hours away) and also, to be completely honest, I feel resentful that he went ahead and caused this situation despite my mum and his current partner both begging him not to say anything. He's sending me very nice messages and claiming that he doesn't want to jeopardise my relationship with DH but that's all very well in hindsight - as usual he had to say his piece and to hell with the consequences. He's had a problem with my DH for a while so this was a long time coming but I'm angry that it had to be now when we're already going through a lot. I'm questioning whether I really want this man in my life but knowing how volatile and depressive he is I would, at the end of the day, feel bad for cutting him out. It's also not in my nature to do so.

I do wonder if I and my mum/sisters have been enabling this behaviour for too long. My mum agrees in one breath but in the other is saying he's still my dad and is checking to make sure I'm still sending him pictures of my baby so he doesn't miss out.

I just don't know how to navigate this situation. I'd like DH to at least listen to dad's apology but can also see why he no longer wants anything to do with him. To be honest I'm sure that in time he may come round to at least tolerating my dad's presence. But how can I continue a normal relationship with my dad, and make him part of my baby's life, with such a big elephant in the room? I'm still sending baby pictures to him and replying to his messages but I'm struggling to muster any enthusiasm for staying in contact. Even the mention or thought of my dad makes me feel very down.

Who here is being unreasonable? Am I? Is my DH for not wanting any more to do with him? Or is my dad?

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QuiteLikely5 · 18/03/2016 10:50

I cannot begin to imagine how much your father, in all of his 'chats' with your dh has affected his self confidence.

I think you must respect your husbands stance in that he does not want a relationship with your father.

Your father is not 'looking out for you' when he criticises your husband he is feeding his insatiable urge to have his say and bring someone down.

Looking out would include offering support to your dh, be it practical, financial or emotional.

Chinks123 · 18/03/2016 10:51

Oops your DH sorry!

HortonWho · 18/03/2016 10:51

Whoops, hit post too soon ...
Sounds like you married the opposite of your dad. But when I wonder why you are so fiercely independent, I wonder if it's because you feel you can't count on either of them to put you first.

Janecc · 18/03/2016 10:53

For now at least if I were in your position, I would take a big step back and away from your father and toward your new family. I would tell your father in no
uncertain terms to back off and that he needs to leave you all some space for a while. What your little baby really needs right now, is a relaxed mummy (and daddy) who is there for him/her. Your father probably doesn't have much place in that calm, warm environment at the moment. Your little family has the right to a special time just the 3 of you. If it were my parent, I would also tell him that you will contact him when you and your husband are ready. He will just have to suck it up. This will likely infuriate him further. But he caused the situation in the first place. Your dh may never forgive your father though and I think for now it's best to wait and see.

DiseasesOfTheSheep · 18/03/2016 10:54

Surely if the OP said she didn't want her DH to come, it would be pretty rubbish of him to force his presence upon her? That would really bother me - even if I was being unreasonable in telling him not to!

Chinks123 · 18/03/2016 10:54

My DF also has a character I made an awful choice not to let around my DD and it breaks my heart Sad but like you said OP it brought back things from my own childhood (he was very aggressive, alcoholic etc) and I wanted to break the cycle so my child didn't see it. When my DP witnessed my DF acting like he does for the first time he was disgusted and I felt so sad.

WelcomeToMusicTown · 18/03/2016 10:55

horton your comment has me in tears. I've rarely felt I can turn to my dad for support as he's so liable to be judgemental and is so emotionally unstable himself that I end up dealing with his emotions rather than mine. DH is a lovely and caring man but has confessed to thinking I just get on with things and don't need looking after - because I've conditioned everyone around me to think that.

Dad has in fairness offered practical support to my DH and has loaned us money in the past but we had to repay with interest (which I guess is fair enough!) and DH sees that any offer of help comes with conditions.

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Whisky2014 · 18/03/2016 10:55

Cant believe your dad tried to make an apology on Whatsapp after what has happened. How cowardly and pathetic.

Gatehouse77 · 18/03/2016 10:57

I'm with your DH too. Like you, if I thought I'd likely be sent home and DH was unwell I'd have gone to the hospital alone and thought nothing of it as you knew you could contact him and he'd be there within 20 minutes. Personally, I don't think your DH did anything 'wrong'.

I'd be inclined to be very matter of fact with my father add ask for some space to consider how you want to move things forwards. You can still send photos etc. but don't have to engage in dialogue with him. And if it means navigating times for your dad to see you and the baby without your DH then so be it.

When I was estranged from my father my sister took my kids to see him so he still saw them. Made fuck all difference as he clearly doesn't want to make the effort himself when he has to instigate contact.

WelcomeToMusicTown · 18/03/2016 10:57

So sorry to those of you who've been in similar situations Flowers

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Janecc · 18/03/2016 10:57

So he's not very emotionally mature by the sound of. Is he a narcissist perhaps?

eddielizzard · 18/03/2016 11:00

yes, stand with your dh. not coming to the hospital was not ideal, but actually it all worked out and probably if he had he'd have gotten ill. what you did was best, because he was more able to support you when you really needed him. i wouldn't waste any more angst on it.

as for your dad, yes he is being a massive twat. i'd tell him to back off for a couple of months and give you all some breathing space while you get used to being a family of 3.

when you're all getting enough sleep, then rethink it all.

WelcomeToMusicTown · 18/03/2016 11:03

Not sure about narcissist - everything is about him though. Even when he spent a night in a cell after attacking his girlfriend (she didn't press charges) all he talked about was how horrible it had been for him. He believed his drink was spiked as he apparently didn't remember what happened. After this incident I'm concerned that actually he flies into a rage and genuinely doesn't remember his actions. I haven't seen him that angry since I was a child.

My sister has commented before that when she goes to see him with my nephew, dad ignores her and only pays attention to the child. I've seen that happen so believe her. He also made a point of being the first person to come and visit us when we'd just got home from the hospital, made a comment about DH not doing much to help me and yet was happy for me to make him his lunch 4 days postpartum!

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QuiteLikely5 · 18/03/2016 11:04

Of course he's offered money! It's so much easier than being nice or supportive

sianihedgehog · 18/03/2016 11:13

OP, I don't even think it was a big deal that your DH didn't go to the hospital with you. I went into labour on Friday night and didn't wake my DP to tell him until Saturday morning (when my contractions were 3 minutes apart) because he functions much better with sleep.

Your dad is a bully, and your DH is right to cut contact. If you want to see your dad, do it on your own.

Janecc · 18/03/2016 11:22

I don't know enough about him but the digs about your husband, offering money and making dinner (because your husband isn't 'capable'?!!). He seems to be almost competing with your husband and trying to make you see the error of your ways for marrying such an incompetent. Hence the question.
To give you a bit of background about me and why I asked you if you think he could be a narcissist it's because: My mother is a narcissist. I only really discovered this a couple of years ago. She's awful. To me.
What she does is projects all parts of herself that she rejects onto me. I am everything bad and wrong in the world. If I am respected or admired she hates it and constantly competes with me and diminishes or ignores my accomplishments. I wonder if your father is doing the same. He clearly hates what he perceives as weakness in men. So he possibly has a massive part of himself that he hates. IF I'm right, instead of dealing with it, he could be projecting it onto your dh. i don't know him so I may be completely off the mark.

ILikeUranus · 18/03/2016 11:26

It sounds like your dad sees your dh as a bit of a looser - you're supporting him financially as the main breadwinner, and now he has no job at all and you're supporting him completely for a good few months when you're the least able to do that, having just had a baby. On top of all that he left you to make your own way to hospital in labour while he stayed in bed because he was 'ill'?! Was it worse than labour? What was wrong with him that he didn't get the hell up and go with you?

That being said, while your dad is completely entitled to think all that, he is NOT entitled to say anything about it to your dh. I don't know why your dh has tried to forge a relationship so far when it was clearly going nowhere as your dad doesn't sound very nice and it takes two for any relationship to work. He is aggressive, he's also a liar (he said you'd expressed concern when you hadn't) so I'd be inclined to believe your dh's version of events too. I'm not surprised he's cutting contact now. I would. It's for the best, he is NBU.

You don't need to do anything dramatic. It's perfectly fine to carry on sending your dad pictures of the baby if you want. You could go and see him occasionally. Just don't force him on your dh. Don't have him over to your house, and if your enthusiasm for seeing him wanes, that's fine too. Yanbu.

Janecc · 18/03/2016 11:27

And poor him. He couldn't possibly have been responsible for what? Attacking his girlfriend. Nooooo. He may have mellowed or he may have become better at hiding his feelings. In any case he's not mellowed in relation to your dh. Can I ask is your baby a boy or a girl? It it's a boy, I would be extremely concerned. I expect you've read what I said about my mother. She's started on my DD. She's 7 and scapegoat by extension.

turnaroundbrighteyes · 18/03/2016 11:31

Would it make it easier to separate yourself from your DH and look at it that way?

Your DH was attacked by your Dad and is scared of him. He doesn't want a relationship with him or him in his home and shouldn't be forced to. Substitute stranger for dad if it helps you see how wrong it would be to ask him to make friends.

Then look at yourself separately. Do you want a relationship with your dad on your own out of the home?

Then there's your Mum. You are and adult, she doesn't get to tell you what to do and neither does your dad for that matter. In fact she's got quite a cheek trying to force a close relationship (telling you to send pics, etc) with someone she chose to end her relationship with and divorce! It's not your job to protect her from phone calls from him when you don't do what he wants.

Finally, your DH, it's okay to lean on him and yes he needs to step up. How hard it he looking for a job? Has he joined agencies, applied everywhere, daily jobsearch? Or would it help your family for him to stay home, maybe working part time whilst you continued to be the breadwinner?

NynaevesSister · 18/03/2016 11:32

Your DH is lovely! And did absolutely the right thing not going with you - tell him to stop feeling bad.

You were adamant that you wanted to go on your own. He didn't just ignore that. He respected what you said no matter how he might have felt. That is the right thing to do.

The wrong thing to do would have been to say to you that sorry, he wasn't going to let you go on his own because it would make him feel bad.

THAT would have been the selfish thing to do.

It sounds to me that you have married a man who has all the qualities that your dad clearly lacks.

NameChange30 · 18/03/2016 11:32

Your dad sounds extremely toxic. Maybe you would find it helpful to read the "Toxic Parents" book and/or post on the Stately Homes thread.

It's obvious to me that you need to support your DH on this and protect your new family from your horribly toxic father. I realise it's easy to say that from the outside looking in, and harder to do it, but you do have to.

SanityClause · 18/03/2016 11:34

You know when people on MN are told they don't have a PIL problem, they have a DH problem? Well your DH potentially has a DW problem.

It really is down to you to ensure that the boundaries with your father are properly laid down.

You need to speak to him and tell him that you and your DH agreed together what to do on the night your waters broke, and that is not his business. You also need to assure him that if he threatens your DH (or anyone) physically, in future, you will call the police.,

HackerFucker22 · 18/03/2016 11:40

Your DF was at fault here OP but I feel it's negligent not to point out that you seem to be "carrying" your DH in several respects....

How are you affording to live with your husband out of work and you being on ML?

Do you feel emotionally supported? (you seem to be making a lot of excuses for DH and why he didn't come to the hospital)

In my non expert opinion you seem to have gone for a man so opposite to your DF that you have ended up with a man-child.

mrsmortis · 18/03/2016 11:43

I am the career focused one in our house. I am the main breadwinner and I always have been. My DH has been the primary carer for our daughters since I went back to work when the youngest was 6 months old. It's not the most common set up, but that doesn't mean that DH isn't my full partner in this.

If my DF had dared to speak to him like yours did I would have been incandescent. I think you need to make it clear to him that his old fashioned ideas are laughable and tell him to move with the times. Followed by making it perfectly clear to him that you have a new family that will always come first from now on. Oh and ban any more 'quiet words'.

But you are under no obligation to do this at any time soon.

ApplePaltrow · 18/03/2016 11:44

Everyone else has outlined why your father is a huge problem.

But as for your DH, is it possible that you are protesting a bit much? Is it possible you don't ask him for support because you know he couldn't/wouldn't give it? It seems like you put him and all of his needs first all the time. You were in labor but he was "tired".

I just cannot imagine any grown man going back to bed because he's tired - he doesn't even have a JOB ffs - when his wife is in labor! Is your entire relationship based on catering to his "sensitivities" and making sure that he is never too taxed?

I dunno. Neither of these men seem like you can depend on them. Your DH will always put himself first and your father seems to have an aggressive streak.