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My dad and DH have fallen out - what do I do?

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WelcomeToMusicTown · 18/03/2016 10:18

I don't want to drip-feed so apologies if this is long. My dad and my DH have fallen out and I feel stuck in the middle and unsure what to do.

DH and I (both in our 30s) have a 2 month old baby. When my waters broke just before midnight I went to the hospital alone, taking a taxi (we're in London, about 15-20 mins from the hospital depending on traffic). I insisted DH stay home as he wasn't feeling well, I knew I'd most likely be sent straight home, and I wanted him to get as much sleep as possible before I really needed him during active labour. He had his phone ringer on so had he needed to join me at the hospital he could have. In hindsight he feels that he should have insisted he come with me but I've always been very independent - in over 7 years together I've never asked or expected him to meet me at bus stops, walk me home etc - so in his tired and ill state he just accepted my insistence. As it happened I was indeed sent home and he went back with me in the morning when labour had progressed. I didn't think any more of it except feeling probably quite proud of myself for doing that first trip alone when I was heavily pregnant and a little in shock. Again in hindsight, that was probably quite naive of me but it didn't cross my mind to do it any differently.

My dad visited us a couple of weeks back and took DH aside to have a word. I had no idea what it was about as he'd said nothing to me, but it turned out he wanted to tell DH how upset he - and the rest of the family - was that he'd let me go to hospital alone in a vulnerable state. Their stories differ at this point. Dad says that he voiced his concerns but DH wouldn't listen so he lost his temper. DH says that my dad told him he's a bad father, that the whole family thinks so and that they've all - including me?! - been worrying about the hospital incident for weeks. In actual fact my mum says she was concerned (and of course I understand why) but she and my dad's partner made him promise not to bring it up and cause a scene - but he ignored that and did it anyway.

DH says my dad then grabbed him and raised his fist as if to hit him. DH at this point was freaked out by his aggression so pulled away from him and left our flat. All I know is I heard DH tell my dad to fuck off, then saw my dad, who was shaking with anger, chasing after him shouting that he was a fucking coward and to grow some balls. DH refused to come home until my dad had left.

I and my mum tend to believe DH's version as my dad has a history of being very short tempered and occasionally violent - DH literally wouldn't even raise his voice to someone and is the least aggressive person I know. My mum agrees that DH is probably telling the truth - she and my dad divorced partly because my dad was so volatile. He has in the past been held in a police cell after attacking his girlfriend (he claims not to remember) and has threatened suicide and self harm in the presence of, or in order to manipulate, me and my sisters.

To give a final bit of context: DH was already very stressed when my dad visited as my dad is very money and career focused and has on several occasions taken DH aside to ‘talk’ to him about his attitude to these things. DH isn't career-minded and I'm the main breadwinner in our relationship. He's also currently unemployed after being let go at new year and looking for a new job which has been making things hard work on top of having a new baby so he was already very depressed and down on himself and expecting a lecture from my dad made him feel worse. DH has made huge efforts to build a relationship with my dad but has been increasingly frustrated that dad only ever talks about money and doesn't seem interested in him as a person. Equally my dad is clearly frustrated that his daughter isn't being looked after in the traditional alpha male sense and while his approach is often wrong he clearly is just looking out for me.

However, after this fight my DH wants nothing more to do with my dad. He's scared of him, thinks he's frankly psychotic and isn't showing any signs of forgiving him for what he sees as an emotional and physical attack in his own home. My dad has tried to offer an olive branch via WhatsApp but DH won't accept his apology or even speak to him. This was really the last straw.

Now I'm in the situation of my dad wanting to still be part of my - and my baby's - life but logistically this now being difficult (he lives a couple of hours away) and also, to be completely honest, I feel resentful that he went ahead and caused this situation despite my mum and his current partner both begging him not to say anything. He's sending me very nice messages and claiming that he doesn't want to jeopardise my relationship with DH but that's all very well in hindsight - as usual he had to say his piece and to hell with the consequences. He's had a problem with my DH for a while so this was a long time coming but I'm angry that it had to be now when we're already going through a lot. I'm questioning whether I really want this man in my life but knowing how volatile and depressive he is I would, at the end of the day, feel bad for cutting him out. It's also not in my nature to do so.

I do wonder if I and my mum/sisters have been enabling this behaviour for too long. My mum agrees in one breath but in the other is saying he's still my dad and is checking to make sure I'm still sending him pictures of my baby so he doesn't miss out.

I just don't know how to navigate this situation. I'd like DH to at least listen to dad's apology but can also see why he no longer wants anything to do with him. To be honest I'm sure that in time he may come round to at least tolerating my dad's presence. But how can I continue a normal relationship with my dad, and make him part of my baby's life, with such a big elephant in the room? I'm still sending baby pictures to him and replying to his messages but I'm struggling to muster any enthusiasm for staying in contact. Even the mention or thought of my dad makes me feel very down.

Who here is being unreasonable? Am I? Is my DH for not wanting any more to do with him? Or is my dad?

OP posts:
sparechange · 20/03/2016 19:10

I wouldn't go NC with a father who you have said loves you and supports you practically and emotionally. You might need some actual support one day.

I wonder what thread you've been reading, because it isn't the same one I've been reading.
Some of the responses on here are INSANE. This man has physically attacked at least one, possibly 2 partners. He bullies anyone who he perceives to be beneath his standards. Even divorce couldn't free his ex wife from his controlling behaviour.
And you say this is someone OP needs in her life?
But clearly not the loving hands-on dad who you have clearly and neatly assessed based on whether or not he has a driving licence. Ffs

WeDoNotSow · 20/03/2016 19:13

Jolse Stop defending the waste of space.
Can't you read? He doesn't drive

In fact, I think the OP was being unreasonable, why she should have done was kicked the DP out and moved her dad in so she could be 'looked after' like a good little girl Confused Hmm

Aeroflotgirl · 20/03/2016 19:14

kawliga I am shocked at your posts, so because the poor man does not drive and is looking for work, he's a looser Hmm. I know you did not directly say that, but that is what you are implying. You are ignoring the fact that op father is a violent and abusive bully, who attacked op dh. So op dh us a stay at home dad, dies that make him worthless and useless, really the crap that comes out of some people iÅ› astounding and deeply offensive!

WeDoNotSow · 20/03/2016 19:15

sparechange No, no you're wrong.
That's not bullying, that's caring

Silly you for not knowing the difference.
Where's you man owner? He's obviously a waste of space too for not teaching you these things!!

Aeroflotgirl · 20/03/2016 19:16

So us non car drivers are worth less in society. You don't know why he does not drive, he might have a medical condition or disabi,it's that op has not mentioned, or like me, failed numerous ones as I am not very good.

TheSinkingFeeling · 20/03/2016 19:22

I can be a grumpy and combative fucker on here, but I'm shocked at some of these responses. The OPs dad has a history of violence, and the fact that her husband has been ill and doesn't drive seems to make him some kind of twat??!
Stop with this wanking at the altar of the Alpha Male!

Aeroflotgirl · 20/03/2016 19:28

Op dad is a volatile violent domestic abuser, who has threatened her and her sister with blackmail and suicide. He has lied to justify his actions, some of you think he will better support op, than her lovely dp, get a life. I cannot believe some of yiu are siding with this man, it is shocking!

TheSinkingFeeling · 20/03/2016 19:30

I agree. It's fucking weird on here sometimes.

Aeroflotgirl · 20/03/2016 19:32

The list of misdemeanours that this man has done is as long as my arm, op should be going NC with this man, not asking him for support!

JolseBaby · 20/03/2016 19:41

I wonder how some posters would respond, if their son called them and said that his FIL had been violent towards him.

There is some bloody appalling gender stereotyping going on here. Obviously OP should know her place and not be out-earning her DH, and he needs to 'man up' and take his puking ass into the labour ward next time - infection control be damned. Only when he's achieved big swinging dick status in the city and has a big fuck-off BMW though.

Christ almighty Hmm

Tabsicle · 20/03/2016 19:41

kawliga - can I just clarify.

You consider not owning a car to be a greater character flaw than domestic violence?

NameChange30 · 20/03/2016 19:42

"You consider not owning a car to be a greater character flaw than domestic violence?"

Grin
JolseBaby · 20/03/2016 19:46
Grin

This is why I love MN. It's bloody bonkers sometimes but every so often, someone comes along and nails it in one short sentence.

Baconyum · 20/03/2016 20:05

Crazy crazy posters defending the violent abusive father and lambasting the op's dh who like millions of others is currently unemployed and doesn't drive! Wtf! There are NOT millions of jobs out there and as someone also from a large city where most don't bother learning to drive as its ridiculously expensive and difficult to have a car there what utter nonsense!

If the fathers so wonderful and caring I suggest those posters go live with him!

OvariesBeforeBrovaries · 20/03/2016 20:07

This thread is like some kind of paralell dimension. People are actually advocating for the dad? And criticising the DH?

Yep he should've just ridden in there on his white steed proclaiming "Fuck your infection control! I'm here to ensure my precious autumn flower and the fruit of my loin reach the hospital safely at any cost!" and then spew all over the nearest person with a weak immune system.

Jeez louise.

Tabsicle · 20/03/2016 20:11

OvariesBeforeBrovaries - and then gone home to get in a punch up with his FiL in front of the OP and baby, before leaving her at home with the kid while he goes off to his cleaner's job, while she changes nappies. Sod her job! He's there to bring in the money and if he doesn't, she should find an alpha male who will!

VikingLady · 20/03/2016 20:34

This seems to have gone a little off piste.

Op, whilst having a new baby won't change/improve your father it can change your (and DH's) attitudes towards him. My DH had emotionally abusive parents. I pointed it out gently but persistently, but he never really believed me until after DD was born. After a particularly unpleasant little talk from them I asked DH whether he would ever treat DD like that. Would he want DD to grow up feeling the way his parents made him feel. He suddenly saw it more clearly - now he had a proper frame of reference!

So maybe, as awful as this is, you can use it to see your dad and his behaviour more clearly.

Congratulations on your new baby!

LuluJakey1 · 20/03/2016 21:25

Your dad is way out of order here. However, I can understand him thinking your DH was awful for letting you go alone but it is none of his business.

But, I do think you enable your DH. If I had been at home alne when I went into labour, I would have gone to the hospital by myself. If DH had been in the house, which he was, there was no way on earth he would have let me go by myself. We all make errors of judgement but it sounds to me like your DH is a bit of a lazy lump and needs to think more about you than himself and his woes.

NameChange30 · 20/03/2016 21:26

This thread is the gift that keeps on giving

JolseBaby · 20/03/2016 21:27

Lulu - did you miss the part where he was ill and vomiting? Or does infection control in a labour ward not matter?

JolseBaby · 20/03/2016 21:28

I can only conclude that people are selectively blind.

LuluJakey1 · 20/03/2016 21:35

No, I read the Op where it says he wasn't feeling very well.

But I am not just referring to that. He sounds a bit soft on himself to me and lets his wife do all the hard stuff in life while he wallows in his misery a bit. Some people could lve with that, I couldn't and think he needs to take a bit of responsibility.

TheSinkingFeeling · 20/03/2016 21:35

RTFT

JolseBaby · 20/03/2016 21:39

Be a dear and RTFT.

He was vomiting when OP went to hospital alone - this was the reason she was alone.
He lost his job but has been actively looking for work.
He has been a hands-on and supportive Father.

Not entirely sure how this is 'soft' and 'wallowing'.

NeedsAsockamnesty · 20/03/2016 21:57

lulu

A far more important bit in the op (far more important than him feeling unwell) is the poster told him not to join her.

If a woman choses not to have her DP/DH with her for what ever reason she wants,that is her choice and anybody who puts any pressure on her to change her choice is an arse.