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My dad and DH have fallen out - what do I do?

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WelcomeToMusicTown · 18/03/2016 10:18

I don't want to drip-feed so apologies if this is long. My dad and my DH have fallen out and I feel stuck in the middle and unsure what to do.

DH and I (both in our 30s) have a 2 month old baby. When my waters broke just before midnight I went to the hospital alone, taking a taxi (we're in London, about 15-20 mins from the hospital depending on traffic). I insisted DH stay home as he wasn't feeling well, I knew I'd most likely be sent straight home, and I wanted him to get as much sleep as possible before I really needed him during active labour. He had his phone ringer on so had he needed to join me at the hospital he could have. In hindsight he feels that he should have insisted he come with me but I've always been very independent - in over 7 years together I've never asked or expected him to meet me at bus stops, walk me home etc - so in his tired and ill state he just accepted my insistence. As it happened I was indeed sent home and he went back with me in the morning when labour had progressed. I didn't think any more of it except feeling probably quite proud of myself for doing that first trip alone when I was heavily pregnant and a little in shock. Again in hindsight, that was probably quite naive of me but it didn't cross my mind to do it any differently.

My dad visited us a couple of weeks back and took DH aside to have a word. I had no idea what it was about as he'd said nothing to me, but it turned out he wanted to tell DH how upset he - and the rest of the family - was that he'd let me go to hospital alone in a vulnerable state. Their stories differ at this point. Dad says that he voiced his concerns but DH wouldn't listen so he lost his temper. DH says that my dad told him he's a bad father, that the whole family thinks so and that they've all - including me?! - been worrying about the hospital incident for weeks. In actual fact my mum says she was concerned (and of course I understand why) but she and my dad's partner made him promise not to bring it up and cause a scene - but he ignored that and did it anyway.

DH says my dad then grabbed him and raised his fist as if to hit him. DH at this point was freaked out by his aggression so pulled away from him and left our flat. All I know is I heard DH tell my dad to fuck off, then saw my dad, who was shaking with anger, chasing after him shouting that he was a fucking coward and to grow some balls. DH refused to come home until my dad had left.

I and my mum tend to believe DH's version as my dad has a history of being very short tempered and occasionally violent - DH literally wouldn't even raise his voice to someone and is the least aggressive person I know. My mum agrees that DH is probably telling the truth - she and my dad divorced partly because my dad was so volatile. He has in the past been held in a police cell after attacking his girlfriend (he claims not to remember) and has threatened suicide and self harm in the presence of, or in order to manipulate, me and my sisters.

To give a final bit of context: DH was already very stressed when my dad visited as my dad is very money and career focused and has on several occasions taken DH aside to ‘talk’ to him about his attitude to these things. DH isn't career-minded and I'm the main breadwinner in our relationship. He's also currently unemployed after being let go at new year and looking for a new job which has been making things hard work on top of having a new baby so he was already very depressed and down on himself and expecting a lecture from my dad made him feel worse. DH has made huge efforts to build a relationship with my dad but has been increasingly frustrated that dad only ever talks about money and doesn't seem interested in him as a person. Equally my dad is clearly frustrated that his daughter isn't being looked after in the traditional alpha male sense and while his approach is often wrong he clearly is just looking out for me.

However, after this fight my DH wants nothing more to do with my dad. He's scared of him, thinks he's frankly psychotic and isn't showing any signs of forgiving him for what he sees as an emotional and physical attack in his own home. My dad has tried to offer an olive branch via WhatsApp but DH won't accept his apology or even speak to him. This was really the last straw.

Now I'm in the situation of my dad wanting to still be part of my - and my baby's - life but logistically this now being difficult (he lives a couple of hours away) and also, to be completely honest, I feel resentful that he went ahead and caused this situation despite my mum and his current partner both begging him not to say anything. He's sending me very nice messages and claiming that he doesn't want to jeopardise my relationship with DH but that's all very well in hindsight - as usual he had to say his piece and to hell with the consequences. He's had a problem with my DH for a while so this was a long time coming but I'm angry that it had to be now when we're already going through a lot. I'm questioning whether I really want this man in my life but knowing how volatile and depressive he is I would, at the end of the day, feel bad for cutting him out. It's also not in my nature to do so.

I do wonder if I and my mum/sisters have been enabling this behaviour for too long. My mum agrees in one breath but in the other is saying he's still my dad and is checking to make sure I'm still sending him pictures of my baby so he doesn't miss out.

I just don't know how to navigate this situation. I'd like DH to at least listen to dad's apology but can also see why he no longer wants anything to do with him. To be honest I'm sure that in time he may come round to at least tolerating my dad's presence. But how can I continue a normal relationship with my dad, and make him part of my baby's life, with such a big elephant in the room? I'm still sending baby pictures to him and replying to his messages but I'm struggling to muster any enthusiasm for staying in contact. Even the mention or thought of my dad makes me feel very down.

Who here is being unreasonable? Am I? Is my DH for not wanting any more to do with him? Or is my dad?

OP posts:
FuriousFate · 18/03/2016 13:10

Welcome - that all sounds positive. Glad to hear that your DH has some work lined up. I wish you luck with everything.

Barbarian - yes, in my experience. It may not be a career, it may be the worst job in the world, it may be on NMW. But - there are always jobs out there. You do what you need to to support your family.

Spare - it's not just about bringing in the money, you've deliberately misinterpreted what I said. She works, she has been pregnant and has given birth, she is fiercely independent. Meanwhile, he appears to contribute very little right now, either practically or financially. Hopefully that will change.

TattieHowkerz · 18/03/2016 13:10

Your father sounds like an aggressive twat who should mind his own business.

Your DP hasn't done anything wrong. Was he meant to override your wishes and go to the hospital?

I'm a very self sufficient person too. As long as you and your DH are happy and respectful of each other there's no need to change things. Although I do recommend opening up/accepting help sometimes, it can be good to get out of your comfort zone!

blindsider · 18/03/2016 13:12

Welcometomusic

How long ago did this happen? People say all sorts of things they have neither the intention or will to carry out in the heat of the moment...

I suspect once various tempers have cooled and egos put away for a bit, a judicious sincere apology from your father would do the trick...

Goingtobeawesome · 18/03/2016 13:16

Him saying he doesn't want to jepordise your relationship with your DH makes me feel like he thinks younwouldnchoose your dad over your husband.

It's actually no one but yours business what goes on, if you were happy to go alone it is not for anyone else to complain.

HackerFucker22 · 18/03/2016 13:40

If the op was saying she didn't have a job and her DH was the main income bringer very few people would even question it or raise it as an issue

But she is on ML so presumably isn't bringing in a full income, nor is DH

I say this as main breadwinner I am back to work and DP is a SAHP and works part time

sparechange · 18/03/2016 13:42

he appears to contribute very little, financially or practically
Vs
"He's a brilliant dad so far and absolutely steps up when it comes to his child." Plus several posts about how hard he is looking for a job and how he is already working pet time

You have glossed over what the OP has actually said to peddle some sexist claptrap Hmm

BadDoGooder · 18/03/2016 14:02

Just....so....much....sexism........

This thread has made me genuinely angry.
So many posters desperate to paint the DH in this as some sort of layabout loser. Despite the op stating so many times that he's a good dad, steps up, is looking for a job. How dare you judge a bloke based on his working/not working, it can take more than 3 months to find even the shittiest job round here. And maybe he could be the SAHP?? What would be wrong with that, have I stumbled into a time warp by mistake??

I am very independent and I totally get where the op is coming from.

And it definitely is very sexist to assume that a woman can't decide for herself if she wants a man to go with her to hospital, or anywhere else. If I told my DP that I was off on my own, he would know I damn well I meant it, and would not insist on coming with me, that's disrespecting my autonomy. I am far more aggressive/upfront and confrontational than my male DP, and we both are comfortable with the dynamic. He steps up when I ask him to not when he thinks it's best.
And as for "alpha" and "beta" males, I have no words. Gender stereotyping works both ways, if we can accept there is a spectrum of types of people, and whether male or female you slot onto the same spectrum, then both men and women would be happier.

Forget the DH thing op only you know if you are happy with your dynamic. Your DF is totally out of line, and clearly has some very old fashioned ideas about relationship dynamics. If your DH want's NC, you should help that, if he would be happy with a proper apology and a complete cessation of those (frankly patronising) "little talks" then that might be ok.
But from what you've said of your DF I don't think you should expect much from him.

NeedsAsockamnesty · 18/03/2016 14:13

But she is on ML so presumably isn't bringing in a full income, nor is DH

You only have to take 2 weeks ML (4 if in certain jobs) anything more than that is an active choice each family makes,no matter how usual longer ML is.

Has she said they are not managing? Has she said she is unhappy? Has she said they are skint or struggling?

She is happy with his effort,she also sounds like she finds him supportive and caring why knock that?

IamCarcass · 18/03/2016 14:13

I never identified with the feminism board here, but this thread just infuriates me with all the sex ism - mauve now is the time to revisit them?

We see so much about a women choosing how to give birth, and this husband respected her. Should that not be commended?
OP I really hope you have tried to make your husband feel guilty for him respecting your decision that night. Also he is not a mind reader, you need help now, you ask. You have some patterns to break here so it might be harder at first but it would be worth it, surely?

NameChange30 · 18/03/2016 14:16

I agree with Toast and others who have posted along similar lines!

I am the first to criticise husbands and partners when I think they're in the wrong, but in this case I think people are being ridiculous and cruel to criticise the OP's DH. He is the victim here. Her father is the abusive one and the person we should be criticising.

BarbarianMum · 18/03/2016 14:16

Furious ever thought that your experience may not be universally applicable?

Aeroflotgirl · 18/03/2016 14:17

Your dad is at fault, he has a history of this. I would be totally going NC with him, nowhere near your home or family.

SaucyJack · 18/03/2016 14:20

Personally, I'm very happy to be sexist if it meant I could rely on my DP to get out of bed and look busy when I was in labour with our child.

Aeroflotgirl · 18/03/2016 14:21

Op dh respected op decision to go alone, he wasent well anyway. If he is not well he shoukd not be in a plac with vulnerable people anyway. Good idea to go alone. Some posters wind their necks in!

NameChange30 · 18/03/2016 14:21
Hmm
Aeroflotgirl · 18/03/2016 14:22

saucy please read the op properly Hmm.

Aeroflotgirl · 18/03/2016 14:24

Op dh absent well, there are vulnerable babies. If your ill you should stay at home, not spread outside germs to people and babies in hospital!

FuriousFate · 18/03/2016 14:24

Barbarian - sure, but I've never to failed to find a job at any point over the last 20 years or so. That includes when I was at school, paper rounds, Saturday jobs, working in an old people's home as a sixteen year old with no formal qualifications, right through to jobs after spending a considerable time at university. I wouldn't say I'm anything special. The difference is, I was prepared to/needed to do pretty much anything to bring in some cash. Look in the window of any recruitment agency on a UK high street - there aren't many people who wouldn't be hired as a cleaner, for example (and industrial cleaning jobs are almost always available, I know, I've done them when no one else would).

NameChange30 · 18/03/2016 14:24

Cross post aeroflot!

NeedsAsockamnesty · 18/03/2016 14:25

saucy the situation is not comparable because clearly you feel that you want/need/expect that.

So if yours didn't then it wouldn't be very good.

The op did not want that at that time her wants/needs/expectations of the support she requires during ever stage of labor and delivery should be respected.

IlikePercyPig · 18/03/2016 14:26

Why are some people desperate to paint the DH in a bad a light as possible? Are they being goady or are they just not reading the OP properly?

IlikePercyPig · 18/03/2016 14:27

Why are some people desperate to paint the DH in a bad a light as possible? Are they being goady or are they just not reading the OP properly?

Aeroflotgirl · 18/03/2016 14:27

How the hell has the thread digressed so badly, when it was about op dads dreadful behaviour towards her dh! Op is happy with her family dynamic, please stick with answering the op.

IlikePercyPig · 18/03/2016 14:27

Whoops!

NameChange30 · 18/03/2016 14:32

Why/how... Maybe because this is AIBU and some people are just goady and/or like to kick people when they're down?!