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My dad and DH have fallen out - what do I do?

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WelcomeToMusicTown · 18/03/2016 10:18

I don't want to drip-feed so apologies if this is long. My dad and my DH have fallen out and I feel stuck in the middle and unsure what to do.

DH and I (both in our 30s) have a 2 month old baby. When my waters broke just before midnight I went to the hospital alone, taking a taxi (we're in London, about 15-20 mins from the hospital depending on traffic). I insisted DH stay home as he wasn't feeling well, I knew I'd most likely be sent straight home, and I wanted him to get as much sleep as possible before I really needed him during active labour. He had his phone ringer on so had he needed to join me at the hospital he could have. In hindsight he feels that he should have insisted he come with me but I've always been very independent - in over 7 years together I've never asked or expected him to meet me at bus stops, walk me home etc - so in his tired and ill state he just accepted my insistence. As it happened I was indeed sent home and he went back with me in the morning when labour had progressed. I didn't think any more of it except feeling probably quite proud of myself for doing that first trip alone when I was heavily pregnant and a little in shock. Again in hindsight, that was probably quite naive of me but it didn't cross my mind to do it any differently.

My dad visited us a couple of weeks back and took DH aside to have a word. I had no idea what it was about as he'd said nothing to me, but it turned out he wanted to tell DH how upset he - and the rest of the family - was that he'd let me go to hospital alone in a vulnerable state. Their stories differ at this point. Dad says that he voiced his concerns but DH wouldn't listen so he lost his temper. DH says that my dad told him he's a bad father, that the whole family thinks so and that they've all - including me?! - been worrying about the hospital incident for weeks. In actual fact my mum says she was concerned (and of course I understand why) but she and my dad's partner made him promise not to bring it up and cause a scene - but he ignored that and did it anyway.

DH says my dad then grabbed him and raised his fist as if to hit him. DH at this point was freaked out by his aggression so pulled away from him and left our flat. All I know is I heard DH tell my dad to fuck off, then saw my dad, who was shaking with anger, chasing after him shouting that he was a fucking coward and to grow some balls. DH refused to come home until my dad had left.

I and my mum tend to believe DH's version as my dad has a history of being very short tempered and occasionally violent - DH literally wouldn't even raise his voice to someone and is the least aggressive person I know. My mum agrees that DH is probably telling the truth - she and my dad divorced partly because my dad was so volatile. He has in the past been held in a police cell after attacking his girlfriend (he claims not to remember) and has threatened suicide and self harm in the presence of, or in order to manipulate, me and my sisters.

To give a final bit of context: DH was already very stressed when my dad visited as my dad is very money and career focused and has on several occasions taken DH aside to ‘talk’ to him about his attitude to these things. DH isn't career-minded and I'm the main breadwinner in our relationship. He's also currently unemployed after being let go at new year and looking for a new job which has been making things hard work on top of having a new baby so he was already very depressed and down on himself and expecting a lecture from my dad made him feel worse. DH has made huge efforts to build a relationship with my dad but has been increasingly frustrated that dad only ever talks about money and doesn't seem interested in him as a person. Equally my dad is clearly frustrated that his daughter isn't being looked after in the traditional alpha male sense and while his approach is often wrong he clearly is just looking out for me.

However, after this fight my DH wants nothing more to do with my dad. He's scared of him, thinks he's frankly psychotic and isn't showing any signs of forgiving him for what he sees as an emotional and physical attack in his own home. My dad has tried to offer an olive branch via WhatsApp but DH won't accept his apology or even speak to him. This was really the last straw.

Now I'm in the situation of my dad wanting to still be part of my - and my baby's - life but logistically this now being difficult (he lives a couple of hours away) and also, to be completely honest, I feel resentful that he went ahead and caused this situation despite my mum and his current partner both begging him not to say anything. He's sending me very nice messages and claiming that he doesn't want to jeopardise my relationship with DH but that's all very well in hindsight - as usual he had to say his piece and to hell with the consequences. He's had a problem with my DH for a while so this was a long time coming but I'm angry that it had to be now when we're already going through a lot. I'm questioning whether I really want this man in my life but knowing how volatile and depressive he is I would, at the end of the day, feel bad for cutting him out. It's also not in my nature to do so.

I do wonder if I and my mum/sisters have been enabling this behaviour for too long. My mum agrees in one breath but in the other is saying he's still my dad and is checking to make sure I'm still sending him pictures of my baby so he doesn't miss out.

I just don't know how to navigate this situation. I'd like DH to at least listen to dad's apology but can also see why he no longer wants anything to do with him. To be honest I'm sure that in time he may come round to at least tolerating my dad's presence. But how can I continue a normal relationship with my dad, and make him part of my baby's life, with such a big elephant in the room? I'm still sending baby pictures to him and replying to his messages but I'm struggling to muster any enthusiasm for staying in contact. Even the mention or thought of my dad makes me feel very down.

Who here is being unreasonable? Am I? Is my DH for not wanting any more to do with him? Or is my dad?

OP posts:
ClarenceTheLion · 18/03/2016 11:45

But if the OP is happy with her choice of husband, she's happy. Maybe she is comfortable being the alpha in the relationship?

SpanglesGalloway · 18/03/2016 11:47

Dd was out of order by bring violent loosing his temper being agressive and not controlling his temper. Reading the thread this is obv long standing behaviour and although you said he has 'mellowed' it's obv brewing under the surface. Is this powder keg of a man the type you want around your child?
Your dh not coming to the hospital- it's your relationship. If your happy with that who is anyone- us or your family- to comment. Dd was trying to protect you and probably felt that as the 'A type alpha male' personality he is he would be unable to NOT say anything. Obv he's gone about it the wrong way.
If you feel that you do need more support and looking after start to ask for it DH isn't going to know that unless you ask and of you've always coped on your own he's going to carry on that way. Remember people change as their needs change if you need more care now ask for it
Basically then your relationship is your business wither your happy or unhappy with dh and hosp situation is completely your business with dh not your families.

Your dd- you need to assess if you want him to be a big part of babies life or keep him at arms length or not al all
Flowers

ApplePaltrow · 18/03/2016 11:48

Actually - do you have any other support other than your DH and your parents? I would shore up your other relationships because, god forbid, if you ever got sick or truly needed him, my guess is that your "D"H would be useless or just leave you.

HPsauciness · 18/03/2016 11:49

The Op's DH lost his job at New Year. This is hardly 'man child' stuff- it can take time to get another job, and actually if she is more career-focused then it may be better for him to be the primary carer and for her to go back to work and accelerate things there. There are lots of different combinations, and I see no sign that the DH is not contributing anything- if he's been working til 3 months ago!

Some people on here are too quick to judge off too little information.

As for not coming to the hospital, you told him not to, he didn't insist. Again, a different couple would have worked things out differently. This worked fine for you and you then met and had the baby the next day when he was better rested! My husband wasn't even present for one of mine's birth as he had to return to work, misjudged the timing, and wasn't there- should my dad have gone around and threatened him to a fight?!

Your dad is not very nice unfortunately, and I think the most telling thing you have said in this whole thread is that you don't want to repeat that aspect of your own childhood with your child. It's up to you now to stop that repetition, of a grandpa who is scary and flies off the handle. I would back my husband 110% in this situation, no-one comes into my home and threatens my family. End of. No apologies would make it up for you, and your DH has a right to feel safe in his own home.

If you want to go and visit your Dad later down the line, up to you. I wouldn't be in any hurry to contact him and make this 'ok' because it is exceptionally not ok, and to have done that when you have just both had a baby, is inexcusable.

OzzieFem · 18/03/2016 11:50

Frankly I think you should inform your dad that he is not welcome in your house, and that any contact takes place outside of it. It is also your DH's home and he should not be made to feel uncomfortable in it, or have to leave the house to prevent violence. Just imagine if you had other children at the time and they were witnesses to it.

HPsauciness · 18/03/2016 11:51

You also say he was 'ill' not just tired. Does he have an ongoing health problem, or was it a one off?

HackerFucker22 · 18/03/2016 11:51

Yep agree with Apple

You do seem to be protesting how wonderful / great / fab DH is and how independent / self sufficient you are. It screams "The lady doth protest too much, methinks"

Of course you are independent and self sufficient as you haven't had much choice?

Yes you told your DH to stay at home rest but the reason of WHY needs to be addressed. Why does he get to stay and home and rest when you are about to have your child? Things worked out OK as it stands but you seem very unsupported - by your DH - to me.

Your Dad is not vindicated though. What he did was bang out of line!

FellOutOfBedTwice · 18/03/2016 11:51

Im uncomfortable with the way your dad has handled it because it feels a bit like a pissing contest of who's the bigger and stronger man who's going to protect his princess best. That doesn't sit well with me and would piss me off.

However independent or not, I do think your DH should have stepped up when your waters had broken. I've been up to the hospital and doctors lots of times alone during my pregnancy for various reasons, but when it comes to the crunch and when my waters broke, DH came with me. He had been at work all week, it was a Friday night and in theory he could have had a few hours kip to get ready for the big event because we went down there at 8pm and it didn't get serious until around midnight... but he wouldn't have left me on my own.

hellsbellsmelons · 18/03/2016 11:53

I know if this was the other way around we would all be saying you have DH problem.
If your MIL kept on at you like that you would want your DH to stand by you and have your back.
For me it's a no brainer.

NeedsAsockamnesty · 18/03/2016 11:53

On top of all that he left you to make your own way to hospital in labour while he stayed in bed because he was 'ill'?! Was it worse than labour? What was wrong with him that he didn't get the hell up and go with you?

The op has the absolute right to say who goes to hospital with her for birthing partner purposes or when they arrive no matter who is involved or why.

It does not matter how Ill or not he was it was the op's choice and he would have no right to over rule her no matter how much he wanted to.

The op could have done the whole thing with just HCP's or a the neighbourhood preacher if she wanted to.

Fizrim · 18/03/2016 11:54

I think there is a bit of attitude adjustment to be done on all three fronts here.

Your DF is in the wrong and unlikely to change. No way should your DH be forced into having any kind of relationship with him and I wouldn't expect your DF to be visiting your home any time soon. Certainly not left alone with your baby!

Your DH should have gone to the hospital with you though. He also deserves your support in staying away from your father.

You may have been proud to make it to the hospital (and back) safely on your own, but that does look a little like cutting the baby's father out of the picture. It's OK for him to be there and help out - you don't have to do everything yourself.

Enjoy your beautiful new baby!

Oysterbabe · 18/03/2016 11:55

Your dad was absolutely in the wrong, there's no excuse for his behaviour. However he probably sees it as his daughter is married to an unemployed bum who can't even be bothered to go to the hospital with her. He thinks there was some justification in what he said and he was trying to protect you in a very inept way.

SaucyJack · 18/03/2016 12:00

Some of us are a little concerned as to why she didn't want him to be there tho NeedsASock. It reads very much as tho she doesn't trust him to step up and put her first when the chips are down.

I'm a cynical fucker admittedly, but I think it's a bit of a red flag that she (and him!!) preferred to leave him at home in bed rather than have the poor little lambsiekins miss out on a bit of sleep when his wife is going to hospital in labour.

What would be considered important enough for him to shift his Harris and put his trousers on?

BackforGood · 18/03/2016 12:00

Like everyone else, I'd support your dh and not let your dad anywhere near your home. You can send him pictures etc of the baby if you want but with his history of bullying and violence, I'm surprised you'd want him near your baby.

I do, however, question your husband's attitude in not going to hospital with you because he was tired and a bit poorly. I tend to agree with all your family's opinion of that, although 100% disagree with your Dad's way of trying to do something about it. Your dh needs to step up to his new responsibilities.

HPsauciness · 18/03/2016 12:01

Protect her?

A 'bum' for being unemployed for three months?

I actually can't believe this thread. If a MIL threatened, assaulted (put hands on) and exaggerated (everyone thinks you are a bad mum) then - it would be no contact advice in every post.

This is a very odd thread.

It almost seems like people want the OP to be unhappy with her DH, even though they have resolved the 'mistake' of that night themselves, as people have to do from time to time when relationships stuff up.

And seem to think assault is the correct course of action if your daughter takes up with a man with whom you don't approve.

IlikePercyPig · 18/03/2016 12:02

Your dad sounds like a knob.

NeedsAsockamnesty · 18/03/2016 12:03

You may have been proud to make it to the hospital (and back) safely on your own, but that does look a little like cutting the baby's father out of the picture. It's OK for him to be there and help out - you don't have to do everything yourself

She did not need nor want his help at that moment, she has every right to independently make that choice.

Help that is not wanted or needed is a hinderance, labour and delivery are not anything to do with fathers rights nor are they a spectators sport.

IlikePercyPig · 18/03/2016 12:04

And why are people twisting the OP's words? She told her DH to stay at home, it's her decision.

Spock27 · 18/03/2016 12:04

It's interesting how even though the OP said that she insisted he stayed at home to rest, some people believe that 'being a man' should involve not respecting her decision to be independent and force their presence on her. It was her labour, her partner, her decision and it all worked out.

I'm pregnant at the moment and get annoyed with my OH occasionally over protecting me, not letting me carry very light stuff for example. He is respecting her decision and ability to be independent.

As for the idea that he's a 'loser' because he doesn't have a job - he did have one and has been looking but it's tough out there. And he's already feeling 'depressed' about it apparently so it sounds like he's doing everything he can and may have mental health issues as a result, there's nothing 'unmanly' about that, and the reason that suicide is highest in young men is because of all these ridiculous claims about what men should and shouldn't be and the whole concept of 'unmanliness'. The OP and her partner are partners and their relationship works their own way. If the OP has been giving the wrong impression and wants to be less independent then that's something they need to talk about.

Your DF sounds like a complete dick and there's no way I would allow him anywhere near my home. You need to set boundaries and make it clear to your DH that you support his decision to go NC, no matter what you decide to do about having a further relationship with him. But if it was me then I wouldn't want my child around that.

MerryMarigold · 18/03/2016 12:06

I was adamant throughout my whole pregnancy that I'd just keep on doing everything all the time so built up an expectation that I didn't need him.

I think this is quite an unhealthy dynamic, especially if dh has a tendency to depression and feeling useless. Essentially you are rendering him useless. Hopefully the demands of a small baby will help you rely on him a bit more. I would allow him to lead the decision of how to progress this. My hunch is that he will mellow over time, but right now it is very raw, and he needs to feel like he is making a decision here that you will support him in, not the other way around.

blindsider · 18/03/2016 12:07

Your father is definitely in the wrong here.

but

Am I the only one here that thinks the OP's DP must be a bit feeble if he can't stand up to an old man??

ApplePaltrow · 18/03/2016 12:07

NeedsASock

We know OP has the right to go alone. Everyone has the "right" to do whatever they like. Women have the "right" to work themselves to the bone doing 90% of the housework while their DHs sit around scratching themselves, the question is why.

I stand by the observation that her DH seems a bit of a loser, honestly. And that she needs to be realistic about whether he is much of a support.

SovietKitsch · 18/03/2016 12:07

Your dad is clearly a shitbag, who you'd be entitled to go NC with. But I'd be taking a long hard look at your relationship with your DH, because don't forget the years of pussy-footing your way around your selfish dad have you ready trained up to pussy-foot around a shitbag husband. It's very hard to get out of those patterns when you're used to always having to sacrifice your own needs and wants to someone else's.

Wheelerdeeler · 18/03/2016 12:10

OP - you need to have a chat with your dh

Tell him that you love him and that you need him and your baby needs him.

Tell him that although you will be still in contact with your father, that you do not expect him to partake. You will not have him in your home with your dh present.

You do not need to communicate this to anyone else, just anytime you are arranging to meet your father make sure it is at a time that suits you and give your dh the heads up to be out.

Your dh has been belittled by your dad undeservedly and you need to repair that now.

Your priority is your own family unit, dh & baby and not your violent interfering father.

RandomMess · 18/03/2016 12:10

I agree with this:

"Your DF sounds like a complete dick and there's no way I would allow him anywhere near my home. You need to set boundaries and make it clear to your DH that you support his decision to go NC, no matter what you decide to do about having a further relationship with him. But if it was me then I wouldn't want my child around that."

Your future is with your DH not with your abusive DF

Flowers