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My dad is making me look wealthier than I am (long)

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dazedandconfused17 · 13/03/2016 13:15

I know my diamond shoes are too tight and in the big scheme of things I'm incredibly lucky.

When I was 22 I inherited a house and some land from my grandparents. It came to me as my mother had died when I was little. It isn't Blenheim Palace or anything, but it had been in her family since 1693 and parts of it date back to the 12th century. My DF thought at the time I should sell it, as while it is gorgeous, it has always been a lot of work to maintain etc. In the end (after a couple of years of faff), DH (then DP) and I decided to move in and try and keep the place going.

We're now in our late thirties and it's still here. It's been a rough ride, but so far we have kept the place standing and our family going. It has, however, been really financially tough, especially the last couple of years, due to a bunch of unexpected expenses, specifically massive issues with the roof. Last year in a real pinch, DH borrowed £2000 from a friend to cover vets bills for our dog. At the time, he was meant to be starting a new contract (he works freelance to help support the family) and thought he'd be able to pay back in a couple of months. The job fell through at the last minute and we've not been able to repay on time. Currently I'm paying it off at a rate of £400 per month, which is very hard (we have zero spare income at all right now) but it is getting done.

The friend in question has been, quite reasonably, annoyed with us and said she was only able to spare the money for a couple of months and needs it all back. Last time I saw her she had a massive rant about how we clearly could afford to as the kids went skiing after Christmas and we have a nearly new car.

The thing is this comes from my dad. He has always said that he won't loan us money (which is fair) and he doesn't want us to rely on him as we're grown ups, but does like to sometimes give random gifts. So, for example, he and my stepmum took the kids away, along with my half brothers (who are both much younger than me - closer to my kids age) for a skiing holiday. We could never afford it. And when he wanted to get a new car last year, he gave us his old one, which was a decent three year old VW Passat (I know! I know!). But this is all coming together to make us look super rich - we live in a huge house (even if currently we can't heat it) and we have a nice car and the kids go skiing and she is getting really angry that we're drawing out the repayments.

DH is working, but only part time as a postman as he hasn't been able to get a new contact like the one that fell through. I am working, part time out of the home and part time on our business which is meant to get the place a bit more profitable and a bit less of a drain. I did try and explain that we don't have money, just a gift from my dad, and she said that if he could afford to give us a nearly new car, he could definitely afford to give us the money we need to repay her.

Is she being U? I am pretty certain that DF won't loan me the money if I ask, and if he does he'll be really unhappy about it, even though he can afford it. Is he being U? Should I ask anyway?

We have tried to get a bank loan, but after a bunch of financial hiccups last year they pretty much laughed in our face at the suggestion of an unsecured personal loan and we can't take a loan through the business and spend it on a personal debt, I don't think. Loan should be paid off start of May, but it's just getting there.

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Muskateersmummy · 13/03/2016 13:39

You only have two instalments left. Talk honestly to your friend. And then don't borrow again. If she really can't wait the two months ask your dad if he can help you out for a couple of months

ImperialBlether · 13/03/2016 13:39

I also think it would be better for you to move somewhere where you can both work. The location of this property seems to mean finding work is difficult.

RandomMess · 13/03/2016 13:39

First I would be honest with your friend and explain that you neither paid for DC holiday nor the car that they were both gifts and the house is in trust to you so can't borrow against it. Then I would inform her that you are trying to secure a loan against the car and are going to ask your Dad so you can repay it within a few weeks.

Longer term you need to make a decision about the house - would it create an income to rent it out and you live somewhere cheaper to both rent and heat? Could you sell some of the land etc.

The house sadly sounds like a liability and headache Sad

dazedandconfused17 · 13/03/2016 13:40

I was told we couldn't get a secured loan for £2000. The bank said we could get a secured loan but that would basically be a mortgage and was a much higher minimum amount.

Perhaps we should have done, but it seemed like an awful financial decision when we're up to the eyeballs already. And we haven't always been this poor in the house. It's been the last two years. It just seems really shitty for centuries of history to be closed down over two years of crap and everything going wrong. We wanted to try and ride this out and get things back on track.

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cleaty · 13/03/2016 13:40

You could have sold your car. I would have been annoyed if I was your friend as well.

And choosing to live in the house you are in is your choice. Your friends should not suffer financially because of your choices.

HermioneWeasley · 13/03/2016 13:40

In normal circumstances you'd have a mortgage or rent to pay. Is the upkeep of the house really more than the rent or mortgage + upkeep on a normal house would be?

OohMavis · 13/03/2016 13:41

How big is the house? Could you take on some lodgers? It's not for everyone, I know, but you'd get people snapping your hand off for rooms I bet. And it would help with upkeep of the house.

I wouldn't sell either in your position, and certainly not to repay a 2k loan. All that family history and inheritance. But you must find a way, and now, to pay back your friend.

Sell the car and downgrade would be my first thought, though it can take a while to sell a car, especially a high-end one...

IJustLostTheGame · 13/03/2016 13:41

Don't use film crews.
Granny did this and it was a nightmare.
Things got moved around, went missing, and she was made to feel very uncomfortable in her own home. It was also day and night as they needed to film in different lights.
They might be better these days but insure yourself up to the hilt.

MaudGonneMad · 13/03/2016 13:41

I wouldn't want to sell a house that had been in my family since the 1690s either OP.

It sounds like you're paying back the money at the agreed rate. Think it's your friend who's being a bit U, especially if you've explained that you didn't pay for either the ski trip or the car.

Viviennemary · 13/03/2016 13:42

You made a choice to live in a house that is really beyond your means. You can't really expect anyone else family or friends to lend or give you money to support this. You need to make your own choice. Your Dad should tell you to go to the bank for a loan or raise a mortgage against the house. It's downright cheeky to expect him to cough up. Find a way of earning money. Why not rent out the house and move into cheaper accommodation for a few years.

I see your Dad gave you a car. Stop fleecing other people and stand on your own two feet.

Crispbutty · 13/03/2016 13:43

Ask your dad for a short term loan. Explain the situation as you have done here.

QuestionableMouse · 13/03/2016 13:43

I don't think you should sell the house. I would however have a chat with your friend and explain what's going on.

HPsauciness · 13/03/2016 13:44

Don't get another dog.

I think your friend is being a tad unreasonable- if she said I'll lend you £2000 but I need it all back at once next month, then fair enough- otherwise, you are paying back regularly and she will get her money back. Hopefully you all will have learned, including her, not to lend money you really need back in a short amount of time to people who have unstable incomes, and you won't ask again. As others have said, vets often take payment plans.

I would have said during her rant, actually I didn't pay for either of those things! I wouldn't have stayed quiet, although I would have apologised for having messed her around and not payed back immediately.

Longer term this is all unsustainable, if your husband does the kind of work that I think he does, it can be very rewarding for a month, but then nothing for three months. It's just not a way to stably invest in a big old listed building that costs heaps. So- a plan of how to get more money is definitely needed, lodgers, up the business from the house, you doing cleaning/more work and so forth. You do sound like you are are a bit stuck at present-saying I can't leave the house or sell it, but not really willing to change anything to ensure this money pit doesn't take you all down. And as others have said, do you want your children to inherit this stress as well?

JizzyStradlin · 13/03/2016 13:44

Don't take payday or log book loans when you have substantial assets and are nowhere near employed at capacity. If you don't want to sell the house, can you sell the land? Or, as others have suggested, use it to generate (more) income?

EddieStobbart · 13/03/2016 13:45

I have sympathy towards your situation OP because I have something similar although on a much smaller level (DB and I inherited a small farm that GPs and DF scraped together every penny to buy). However, while it has clear sentimental value to us, both DB and I don't want to risk handing our DCs something that will be a millstone around their necks and a potential source of conflict between them. The plan is to sell the farm at some point during our lifetimes unless one of them shows a strong inclination to be a farmer, then we'll work something out.

Do you want your DCs to have to struggle the way you are? Do you have a plan to make it easier for them?

HPsauciness · 13/03/2016 13:45

I was just about to say sell part of the land as well.

iwantbrewstersmillions · 13/03/2016 13:46

Surely if your take out a loan as a mortgage you could then use that money to pay off all loans, sort out the roof etc.

That would be better to pay month by month and to tick you over in quieter months.

LaurieFairyCake · 13/03/2016 13:46

Obviously you shouldn't sell the house. You can't afford to live anywhere else either on one part time postpersons salary

Get a job (you), or get your lovely house and land to generate money - glamping ? Posh B
And B?

You can't possible support your landed gentry Wink lifestyle on one part time low paid job.

dazedandconfused17 · 13/03/2016 13:46

House is definitely not rentable at the moment. It's halfway through this renovation project. No one would live in it. It's getting better - at one point we were living in a caravan - but it's not done yet.

We did try and rent it out at one point - years ago when I first inherited it - and it was actually really difficult. It looks gorgeous and dramatic, but this isn't the easiest of locations to live and few people with the money to justify it would want to. It would only really make sense as a holiday home, which would have to be done up pretty nicely.

Honestly, if I'm being sensible, I'm not entirely sure anyone would buy it, even, unless they wanted to come into a building site and take over the project. I also worry a bit that it would turn into some rich person's weekend retreat which is a massive local issue - people only living here at the weekends - it's messed up schools, doctors and everything. Which I know isn't my problem, but I still worry.

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anotherdayanothersquabble · 13/03/2016 13:46

Don't ask your Dad, this is your problem. Apologise to your friend, who I think will distance herself once she has been repaid. She gave your family £2,000 to be repaid in a couple of months and at best (depending on when you received the loan), you are going to be three months late in repaying this, regardless of who made the agreement and the fact that you are now repaying to schedule. Find a way to get the money to her. Sell something, rent something, make something, find some more work. She is not being unreasonable, by now, she should have had her money back and she doesn't, the revised repayment schedule was not something she had any choice but to accept.

bakeoffcake · 13/03/2016 13:46

What happens the next time the dog is ill?

Or the car needs repairing?

Or you need to replace the boiler?

You have no full time work, you have no savings and you are in debt.

You really are being unreasonable to live the way you are. And to be honest it's not just the house. If you were living in a two bed flat, you'd still have none of the things I've listed.

Floggingmolly · 13/03/2016 13:46

Sell the bloody car and the house. You can't afford either of them if you're welching on a two grand loan from your friend.
Bollocks to "sacred trust" if a vets bill can practically bankrupt your family Hmm

JustABigBearAlan · 13/03/2016 13:48

I think trying to generate money from the house is a good idea too.

Is it the sort that people would pay to visit?
Or could you at least make the land pay? So let a farmer graze some sheep or run a small diy livery business if there are local horsey people? And as someone else said taking on a tenant is a good idea.

WordGetsAround · 13/03/2016 13:48

PegsPigs - classic! You spend half your first post berating another poster re not reading the OP, then ask a question that is already answers in the OP. I had to laugh

LaurieFairyCake · 13/03/2016 13:48

And you need proper pet insurance so you don't get caught out again. You also need a buffer and savings as stuff is always going to go wrong in that house.

You really mustn't borrow from friends either, it's ruined your friendship Sad

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