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My dad is making me look wealthier than I am (long)

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dazedandconfused17 · 13/03/2016 13:15

I know my diamond shoes are too tight and in the big scheme of things I'm incredibly lucky.

When I was 22 I inherited a house and some land from my grandparents. It came to me as my mother had died when I was little. It isn't Blenheim Palace or anything, but it had been in her family since 1693 and parts of it date back to the 12th century. My DF thought at the time I should sell it, as while it is gorgeous, it has always been a lot of work to maintain etc. In the end (after a couple of years of faff), DH (then DP) and I decided to move in and try and keep the place going.

We're now in our late thirties and it's still here. It's been a rough ride, but so far we have kept the place standing and our family going. It has, however, been really financially tough, especially the last couple of years, due to a bunch of unexpected expenses, specifically massive issues with the roof. Last year in a real pinch, DH borrowed £2000 from a friend to cover vets bills for our dog. At the time, he was meant to be starting a new contract (he works freelance to help support the family) and thought he'd be able to pay back in a couple of months. The job fell through at the last minute and we've not been able to repay on time. Currently I'm paying it off at a rate of £400 per month, which is very hard (we have zero spare income at all right now) but it is getting done.

The friend in question has been, quite reasonably, annoyed with us and said she was only able to spare the money for a couple of months and needs it all back. Last time I saw her she had a massive rant about how we clearly could afford to as the kids went skiing after Christmas and we have a nearly new car.

The thing is this comes from my dad. He has always said that he won't loan us money (which is fair) and he doesn't want us to rely on him as we're grown ups, but does like to sometimes give random gifts. So, for example, he and my stepmum took the kids away, along with my half brothers (who are both much younger than me - closer to my kids age) for a skiing holiday. We could never afford it. And when he wanted to get a new car last year, he gave us his old one, which was a decent three year old VW Passat (I know! I know!). But this is all coming together to make us look super rich - we live in a huge house (even if currently we can't heat it) and we have a nice car and the kids go skiing and she is getting really angry that we're drawing out the repayments.

DH is working, but only part time as a postman as he hasn't been able to get a new contact like the one that fell through. I am working, part time out of the home and part time on our business which is meant to get the place a bit more profitable and a bit less of a drain. I did try and explain that we don't have money, just a gift from my dad, and she said that if he could afford to give us a nearly new car, he could definitely afford to give us the money we need to repay her.

Is she being U? I am pretty certain that DF won't loan me the money if I ask, and if he does he'll be really unhappy about it, even though he can afford it. Is he being U? Should I ask anyway?

We have tried to get a bank loan, but after a bunch of financial hiccups last year they pretty much laughed in our face at the suggestion of an unsecured personal loan and we can't take a loan through the business and spend it on a personal debt, I don't think. Loan should be paid off start of May, but it's just getting there.

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regenerationfez · 14/03/2016 22:44

Re leaving the house to all the children, again in my experience of my family situation, one of the reasons why our family home has fallen into ruin is because it was given to 3 sons equally. They all have to agree what to do with it before anything can be done. One brother, even though he lives abroad and has no intention of living in the house refuses to pay for anything being done to the house or to agree to a sale. My dad and his other brother can't do anything without his agreement, so nothing is done.

tanukiton · 14/03/2016 23:01

Keep paying your friend and i would over pay either in cash or in kind. flowers and wine free babysitting what ever. Ask her if any of her friends or relatives would like to use the holiday let cottage for 2 weeks at some point. Or is there anything you can do for her. Show that you are grateful and have messed up. Write a a letter explaining the situation with your Dad and how it might see that you are money rich but actually it is coming from him and completely see her point of view. Explain that if you sell the car your dad will go mad.

2 more payments and then free! People should never lend more than they can lose. Is there anything you can offer as collateral? dvd player your ipad anything that will show your friend you are serious. Loan of the car even?

On the final payment buy her some flowers/ chocolate/wine whatever shows your thankful for the help.

tanukiton · 14/03/2016 23:06

oh don t worry too much about leaving the house to one child and not the other you can t see the future. My mum will leave her house to my brother and I don t care. He needs it i don t. Actually it is not that simple but it is the intention. You can cross that bridge when your kids are more settled.

TheSilveryPussycat · 14/03/2016 23:19

Did you get my PM, OP?

AnTeallach · 15/03/2016 10:05

No time to read 16 pages - soz - but there's no way I would sell the house. I can barely afford to heat mine, but its emotional value to the DC means it's worth holding on to. And that's without all the family history you have to contend with! How about doing AirB'n'B? Sounds perfect for it! And from April, you can make over £7k this way tax free, I think. Best of luck!

TreadSoftlyOnMyDreams · 15/03/2016 10:39

Glad to be of some small help Smile

Perhaps it is simply worth sitting down with your Dad either in person or over the phone and explaining that you know that logic dictates you should sell on the house, but you have an emotional attachment to it because it links you to your Mum. Gently point out that he has made his feelings very clear on the subject and you know where he stands but you feel that you can't talk to him about your current difficulties as his immediate response is always to just sell the house which is not helpful.

dippydeedoo · 15/03/2016 11:49

I got about 4 pages in and really feel for you op.
I understand you don't want to sell the house I understand the roof and the dog were one off things not likely to be a yearly expense,so you've had what all of us have at one point
"An emergency" you're working your way through repaying the debt to your friend,which you didn't organise or actually arrange your dh did - you are doing the best you can at the minute and these kind of things are what makes future decisions easier and next time dh is offered a contract perhaps one he wouldn't normally have taken,you will both think about money in the bank so you don't get into this situation again .....your children won't always be small you won't always have roofs to replace at the moment all you can do is live as best you can in a house steeped in family history and with your dad helping you with the gifts he gives.
Its life kid and emergencies happen that we can't plan for.

NHSisfubar · 15/03/2016 11:50

I'd just like to say good luck OP. You've had some very judgemental and uncompassionate replies to your posts (although there has been the odd reply that 'gets' your situation.) I think you will get through this bad patch and it is not worth giving up when you are so nearly there with your outdoor business. Once your roof is finished it opens up a host of options with wedding hosting, film work and many others that have been suggested.

Short term if it were me I'd sell a couple of acres as grazing if possible just to enable the roof repairs and get some cash injection into your other projects to get them off the ground. You'll get there in the end. Hopefully if the outdoor business takes off you will be in a position to offer this to your kids as a self funding estate that they can either run themselves or have a manager in place if they choose to do something different when they grow up.

SanityClause · 15/03/2016 13:37

Sometimes you just have to bite off more than you can chew, and chew like buggery.

Flowers Good luck!

Twinklestein · 15/03/2016 16:02

Your father is really quite peculiar OP.

His presents come with fairly hefty strings.

LeaLeander · 15/03/2016 16:10

Sometimes you just have to bite off more than you can chew, and chew like buggery.

Agreed! Fortune favors the bold, and so on.

Good luck OP. Let us know when it's open as an historic B&B.

Twinklestein · 15/03/2016 16:19

Yeah I'm up for B&B or glamping.

You could become MN's Steph and Dom. Shock

Parentofteen44 · 15/03/2016 18:32

I don't think you should have to sell your house over this. You have done well to keep going. But get some pet insurance. Pot kettle black here because I am just sorting mine out again after letting it lapse.

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OrwellianTimes · 20/06/2023 10:25

3 year old Passat is worth what £19,000?

You sell it and buy a 5 year old Passat worth £14,000 amd give your friend her money back.

QuestionableMouse · 20/06/2023 10:42

@OrwellianTimes

This thread is from 2016!

Mumoftwoyoungkids · 20/06/2023 17:52

I’d love to know how it ended up though @dazedandconfused17

Do you still have the house? Is it now an activity centre?

thecatsthecats · 20/06/2023 18:55

dazedandconfused17 · 13/03/2016 13:46

House is definitely not rentable at the moment. It's halfway through this renovation project. No one would live in it. It's getting better - at one point we were living in a caravan - but it's not done yet.

We did try and rent it out at one point - years ago when I first inherited it - and it was actually really difficult. It looks gorgeous and dramatic, but this isn't the easiest of locations to live and few people with the money to justify it would want to. It would only really make sense as a holiday home, which would have to be done up pretty nicely.

Honestly, if I'm being sensible, I'm not entirely sure anyone would buy it, even, unless they wanted to come into a building site and take over the project. I also worry a bit that it would turn into some rich person's weekend retreat which is a massive local issue - people only living here at the weekends - it's messed up schools, doctors and everything. Which I know isn't my problem, but I still worry.

I just want to echo that this is very much true in some cases.

We're in line to be gifted a very old property in a very remote location. The only other house within a mile took over three years and dramatic price drops to sell.

Some properties have very peculiar values.

(we have several plans to remediate and deal with this situation when it happens, but selling isn't the be all and end all)

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