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My dad is making me look wealthier than I am (long)

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dazedandconfused17 · 13/03/2016 13:15

I know my diamond shoes are too tight and in the big scheme of things I'm incredibly lucky.

When I was 22 I inherited a house and some land from my grandparents. It came to me as my mother had died when I was little. It isn't Blenheim Palace or anything, but it had been in her family since 1693 and parts of it date back to the 12th century. My DF thought at the time I should sell it, as while it is gorgeous, it has always been a lot of work to maintain etc. In the end (after a couple of years of faff), DH (then DP) and I decided to move in and try and keep the place going.

We're now in our late thirties and it's still here. It's been a rough ride, but so far we have kept the place standing and our family going. It has, however, been really financially tough, especially the last couple of years, due to a bunch of unexpected expenses, specifically massive issues with the roof. Last year in a real pinch, DH borrowed £2000 from a friend to cover vets bills for our dog. At the time, he was meant to be starting a new contract (he works freelance to help support the family) and thought he'd be able to pay back in a couple of months. The job fell through at the last minute and we've not been able to repay on time. Currently I'm paying it off at a rate of £400 per month, which is very hard (we have zero spare income at all right now) but it is getting done.

The friend in question has been, quite reasonably, annoyed with us and said she was only able to spare the money for a couple of months and needs it all back. Last time I saw her she had a massive rant about how we clearly could afford to as the kids went skiing after Christmas and we have a nearly new car.

The thing is this comes from my dad. He has always said that he won't loan us money (which is fair) and he doesn't want us to rely on him as we're grown ups, but does like to sometimes give random gifts. So, for example, he and my stepmum took the kids away, along with my half brothers (who are both much younger than me - closer to my kids age) for a skiing holiday. We could never afford it. And when he wanted to get a new car last year, he gave us his old one, which was a decent three year old VW Passat (I know! I know!). But this is all coming together to make us look super rich - we live in a huge house (even if currently we can't heat it) and we have a nice car and the kids go skiing and she is getting really angry that we're drawing out the repayments.

DH is working, but only part time as a postman as he hasn't been able to get a new contact like the one that fell through. I am working, part time out of the home and part time on our business which is meant to get the place a bit more profitable and a bit less of a drain. I did try and explain that we don't have money, just a gift from my dad, and she said that if he could afford to give us a nearly new car, he could definitely afford to give us the money we need to repay her.

Is she being U? I am pretty certain that DF won't loan me the money if I ask, and if he does he'll be really unhappy about it, even though he can afford it. Is he being U? Should I ask anyway?

We have tried to get a bank loan, but after a bunch of financial hiccups last year they pretty much laughed in our face at the suggestion of an unsecured personal loan and we can't take a loan through the business and spend it on a personal debt, I don't think. Loan should be paid off start of May, but it's just getting there.

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larrygrylls · 13/03/2016 18:36

I think that you need to bite the bullet and either ask your father to contribute to the house, or sell it. Those piles are designed for people with a lot of spare cash and, otherwise, become millstones.

What is important to you? Some land and bricks and mortar or a happy and relaxed upbringing for your children?

WhoaCadburys · 13/03/2016 18:42

Yes, ask your father to help with the house, or explore every avenue for raising cash. Can you let out part for after school care? Hire some good, trained people and have children in an after-school club. Could you use the grounds for a paint-balling or a party venue? Can you use fields for camping, or for a small festival?

Skiptonlass · 13/03/2016 18:47

Haven't read all 13 pages so sorry if someone has suggested this.

You've got a picturesque old pile that's a money pit, yes?

Right, then it needs to be making you some money.

There are websites where you can put your property on for film and to locations. They pay a big whack per day
Ditto photo shoot locations.
Can you offer it as a wedding/event venue?
How much land? Enough to hold things like a classic car show etc? The stately home near us does classic car rallies, weddings etc.
Would people camp there? Throw up a basic sink/loo/shower block.
Is there anything you could use as accommodation? Artists retreats etc.
Any spare bits of land you could put houses up on?

You need to start turning the place into maybe not an asset but something that's self sustaining. Almost all the aristos have to do this. You need to be a gazillionaire to just maintain a property like this otherwise.

BeaufortBelle · 13/03/2016 19:03

Just thinking on we have a 100 year old mini pile with half an acre and a tiny orchard. It's in good order. Even so the day to day upkeep is mind blowing - losing a key this afternoon brought this home (now found). We have a,key cupboard with labelled hooks and keys. Even on this tiny scale it's a flipping pain.

lorelei9 · 13/03/2016 19:17

Beaufort, what's a mini pile - I'm wondering how many rooms.

There should be an official definition Grin

I think I'd live on my own in a mini pile, as long as it's not more than...20 rooms?

ExConstance · 13/03/2016 19:21

I was once told by an eldery antique dealer that none of us own old items or properties, we just look after them for a while. Your idea that the house stays in the family at all costs is one that longer term will only make you all very unhappy. Someone else can love it and respect its history and treasure the fact that your family cared for it for so long. Several of my friends married farmers and for them early family life was always about inheritance and having a son to carry on the farm. They had sons, sons who are now doing every profession you can imagine, but none of them are or want to be, farmers. All those years of keeping the herds going, improving irrigation etc. all for nothing. You need to set a time limit on this, you have no viable plan B and if your DH doesn't have a new cotract within a fixed time limit take steps to move out and move on.

Hufflepuffin · 13/03/2016 19:21

Is there much marked for cream teas round your way? Place near us does a roaring trade 3hours a day Easter to September, it's slightly shambolic but that's part of the charm!

serin · 13/03/2016 19:40

I hereby declare that I have found a solution OP!

You host the first Mumsnet festival.

We will help you plan it.

We went to Feastival last year and spent so much that the cheesy bloke from Blur and Jamie must have made enough to buy Balmoral.

I will be guest of honour.....In my caravan.

DirtyHarrietOnABike · 13/03/2016 19:43

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wheresthel1ght · 13/03/2016 19:47

Realistically if you sell the only people likely to buy it are developers.

I agree that if there are other family members that can help then you need to talk to them

NNalreadyinuse · 13/03/2016 19:49

That is a horrible thing to say. Of course the OP wants to hang onto her family home - you did see the part where she mentions she lost her mum when she was young. Of course she would like to maintain that family link.
It's not her fault that things didn't pan out financially as she anticipated. She is repaying her friend. Not like she just said 'fuck it' and didn't bother!

BeaufortBelle · 13/03/2016 19:54

It was a bit tongue in cheek. Only 12 rooms but more than enough to keep on top of and it's only a large family home. But things like keys, light bulbs, alarms, etc, become exponential and there is hard hard work behind the scenes. So, the op has a huge amount on her hands and I can see it must be very very hard. That's what I was trying to say.

expatinscotland · 13/03/2016 19:55

More than a few aristos don't live in the main house anymore, either. It's entirely for commercial purposes. Unless they are stunningly rich, which some are.

lorelei9 · 13/03/2016 19:57

Beaufort, I guess you mean 12 huge rooms though.

I think a non-mini pile would have to be at least 30?

greatscott81 · 13/03/2016 20:03

It is tremendously difficult to give up a family estate but it doesn't sound as if you're able to afford it. How much land is there? Could you somehow diversify? Could you consider involving the National Trust or English Heritage? I know this isn't ideal but it could potentially keep the house in good order and allow you to keep the family name attached to it. In the meantime, I would be inclined to sell the car, repay my friend and buy a cheaper alternative. It would be awful to lose a friend over money. Best of luck.

charleybarley · 13/03/2016 20:06

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user7755 · 13/03/2016 20:09

I got to page 4 and gave up reading. OP, I really feel for you, you have clearly hit some temporary and difficult times. What about getting a mortgage so that you have a nest egg in case of an emergency, pay your friend out of this and put the rest away.

Presumably once the house is sorted you can start to make more money out of it? (Sorry for any mistakes - have a big plaster on my finger and keep pressing the wrong key)

Booboostwo · 13/03/2016 20:17

Have you explored all farming subsidy options for your land? It's quite complicated but depending on the area there are subsidies for preserving hedgerows, allowing land to recover from farming, etc.

BeaufortBelle · 13/03/2016 20:20

Ha, in the cupboard next to the keys I have the light bulbs arranged over three shelves annotated with post its. Skinny bayonet candles for wall lights, fat bayonet candles for hall chandeliers, halogen golf balls for sitting room, etc, etc. Oh when all I needed were 60w standard bulbs for a two bed flat with a centre light and shade in each room and the odd table lamp.

BeaufortBelle · 13/03/2016 20:21

I am very much looking forward to the Mnet Festival though. Can us southerners hire a double decker bus!

frami · 13/03/2016 20:22

There are some ways you can makesome moeny from your house. Old historic houses are in demand from Tv/film companies for use in period shows etc this could be a way of generating some income from your house. Also contact some of the magazines such as Period Homes they might be interested in using your house in one of their publications for which they will pay you. Depending on the area you may be able to make some money offering B&B or advertising on Airbnb.

charleybarley · 13/03/2016 20:27

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BeaufortBelle · 13/03/2016 20:33

DH does the bulbs on the first weekend of the month. He would be so irritated if they weren't organised and there.

lorelei9 · 13/03/2016 20:56

Beaufort "Oh when all I needed were 60w standard bulbs for a two bed flat with a centre light and shade in each room and the odd table lamp."

I live in a tiny flat and whoever set this place set it up so there are different light fittings everywhere. And crappy spot lights. And crappy bathroom lights.

suffice to say your light bulb cupboard wouldn't scare me and I don't even have lots of space to cheer me up!

whois · 13/03/2016 20:58

Boutique camping seems to be a bit of a money spinner. Can't cost that much to get in a few compost loos and a couple of showers?

Can start off with BYO tent but people lay stupid amounts to stay in a yurt/bell tent/gypsy van.