Sex trade and Jeremy Corbyn. So U?

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He said:
Let’s do things a bit differently and in a more civilised way,”
Surely decriminalisation is so imbalanced in favour of the people who run the 'industry' or patronise it. I cannot get beyond the casual attitude to the commodification of (mostly) women.
What do others think?

Yes those who want decriminalisation often have degrees. You are not representative of women in prostitution. Women I know who are currently in prostitution, want the Nordic Model, But then they do not have degrees or a history of good jobs. Although most women in prostitution have been sexually abused as children. It acts as a form of grooming.

Prostitition is something that comes from patriarchy and misogyny

And yet exists outside the human species

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_among_animals

Penguins use stones for building their nests. Based on a 1998 study, media reports stated that a shortage of stones led female Adélie penguins to trade sex for stones. Some pair-bonded female penguins copulate with males who are not their mates and then take pebbles for their own nests.

You are not representative of women in prostitution.

Neither are you Cleaty. In fact, much less so than the sex workers who have posted on here.

I am concerned about the majority of women in prostitution who experience violence and rape regularly. We need to make any legislative response meet their needs.

I am concerned about the majority of women in prostitution who experience violence and rape regularly. We need to make any legislative response meet their needs.

when you say they want the nordic model, is there evidence that the nordic model protects women?

I commented above that the nordic model has just pushed punters outside of sweden to denmark and holland, and someone made the fair point that that's a flaw with denmark and holland. Possibly. One of the nice things about denmark and holland is that I imagine women have a reasonable amount of protection.

But what if Europe adopted the nordic model and punters were pushed to asia and africa where women have far fewer protections? We have much less control of those societies.

We have banned sex with children here. That means some British adults travel abroad to pay to rape children abroad. Should we rescind this law so that these men don't go abroad to rape children?

in which countries is paedophilia legal?

none that i know of but i would be happy to learn..

I think the Nordic model ignores the fact that one of the main groups a lot of sex workers experience the most abuse from is the police. Criminalising the buying still drives women who need yo make money underground as they don't want their clients arrested and still involves the police. Surely tackling poverty and addiction support whilst decrimilaising are the best way to ensure vulnerable women don't end up in a trade they don't want to be in while offering safety to those who do.

Some countries have no laws about sex children i.e. raping children. Some have laws with a very low age of consent.

www.ageofconsent.net/highest-and-lowest

"several Middle Eastern and African countries have no legal age of consent, but ban all sexual relations outside of marriage. This has raised concerns by many international organizations, especially in some countries where girls are married at as young as 9 or 10 years old. Countries with marriage-based ages of consent include Afghanistan, Iran, Kuwait, Libya, Maldives, Oman, Pakistan, Qatar, Sudan, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, and the UAE."

Some countries use a form of temporary marriage for those involved in prostitution, including children. The "marriage" can last as little as an hour.

There have been services tackling poverty and addiction support for decades, it does not stop prostitution. There is a reason it is mainly women in prostitution, and the reason is not poverty.

We need to start imposing major sentences for any police officer who abuses their position, including with those involved in prostitution. Decriminalisation would make no difference. Corrupt police officers would still hassle prostitutes for "freebies".

We have banned sex with children here. That means some British adults travel abroad to pay to rape children abroad. Should we rescind this law so that these men don't go abroad to rape children?

children can't consent to sex. period. Adults can. you are suggesting banning adults from consenting to sex in the case when money is exchanged.

there's the difference. in a perfect world, I think prostitution would be legal. not so with child sex.

the reason is not poverty. we know the reason for some women on here: choice.

Nope. In a perfect world prostitution would be unthinkable

Who are these prostitutes who want their clients criminalised?

That makes zero sense. Other than literally enslaved prostitutes, I can't imagine any prostitutes wanting to make it harder to get trade.

That's simply absurd.

You keep pulling bizarre things out of your arse and proclaiming them as fact.

And it's really fucking annoying to be brushed off as "not representative of sex workers" just because we don't give the spiel you want to hear.

Nope. In a perfect world prostitution would be unthinkable

ok. there we disagree. So, If every prostitute had a PhD, never touched a drug in her life, and did it because she chose this as the way to make her living and said so, that still wouldn't be good enough.

it sounds like then it's not about the widely accepted horrific conditions some prostitutes face. it's about ideology. that doesn't sound very empowering to me.

Some things are simply wrong. Men paying women for sex is one of them.

And survey after survey has shown that most women want out of prostitution. The Nordic Model does not just criminalise punters and pimps. It also gives women ways to get out of it and build an alternative life.

Although of course women like you would be fine. If you had a good job before then presumably you could get out anytime you wanted to?

Some things are simply wrong.

I agree. Telling women what they can and can't do with their bodies is one of them. If there is anything we should have complete sovereignty over, it's our bodies.

I do not agree with the right to let others harm you. The man who killed and ate another man who had consented to this, was rightly prosecuted.

Prostitution is harmful to all women. It has no place in a truly civilized country.

I do not agree with the right to let others harm you.

So BDSM is out? Who decides what is harmful? they once thought that oral sex was harmful. Gone in your world too?

Big difference between prostitution and normal sex acts like oral sex.

it doesn't matter what one thinks though, according to you. if it's deemed harmful (by whom I don't know), it should be outlawed.

Prostitution is harmful to all women.

that's just an assertion. you have no conclusive support for such an assertion.

It is harmful to all women that some women can be bought for sex.

And remember both women and men are poor, but it is largely women who are bought for sex. That is because we are taught men have a right to sex and if they can not get it consensually, they have a right to pay for it. That affects all women.

I'm not bought. I sell my services. There's a difference.