To wonder if scots will be voting to stay in the EU?

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Because if they do and the rest of the U.K. vote leave, it will trigger another independent Scotland referendum

Just curious.

www.buzzfeed.com/jamieross/eu-can-stay#.ivP39rRD3

Apparently, should UK vote out (and Scotland in) it'll take at least two years to leave. And if, during that time ScotGov can organise another indyref and win it, Scotland might be able to rejoin on the leaving date.

A lot of ifs, buts and ands in that scenario Hirples. And as has been said many times on here. It's not a vote that each country within the UK is making in order to determine whether Scotland, NI, Wales or england wants to stay or go, it's the UK that's voting. This has got nothing to do with another indyref in anyone's mind other than the SNP. The SNP will use absolutely anything in order to try and trigger another "once in a life time" vote. We had the vote, the people spoke, they need to get over it. There is no way that should the vote be for the UK to leave, that they would get agreement to another indyref, hold another indyref, get a yes vote, apply to the Eu for membership, get that approved and get the date set to coincide with the UK exit date, all within 2 years. It's a fantasy and not a very good one either. If it happens that way I'll happily eat the hats of all members of MN.

I'm already sick of hearing about the EU ref and having to listen to Nicola Sturgeon grandstand on what she thinks Scotland will do. Let me say, anyone I've spoken to have said they'll vote to leave so I think she's in for a shock. If the Scots do a tactical vote so there's another ref Id be ashamed.

I don't think it is just the SNP; there are bams folk like the Scottish Resistance and I've certainly seen many, many calls for UDI (not an SNP policy), for example, and they'd go for a second indyref in a heartbeat.

I've also seen "statements" (well, photos, with names conveniently obscured) which purport to be from Tory/BT donors, saying that the whole "Scotland will be out of the EU if you vote Yes, the only way to guarantee to stay in is to vote No" was really important to them, and they're furious that less than two years later there's a chance of Scotland being dragged out against our will. They'd also support indyref2, and vote to become independent.

We're only having this EU ref because Cameron shat it at the threat he perceived from Farage. Possibly the worst decision of his political life, I can see no good coming from it at all, regardless of how we vote.

I still don't understand how Scots 'voting tactically to leave' would trigger another indyref? The indyref would be triggered ('almost certainly' as NS said on Sunday) if Scotland votes to STAY. And rUK to leave. Enlighten me?

People living in Scotland who are sympathetic to indySco should vote stay, even if they would prefer to leave. I suppose that's a form of "tactical voting". Only people who are sympathetic etc and living in England can "tactically vote" leave.

I could vote tactively to leave on the basis that it would go towards denying snp a Scottish stay vote and another indyref.

Fair enough!

Oh my head hurts. I have realised that I am not sophisticated enough to:

1. Lie
2. Have an affair
3. Vote tactically.

Nothing wrong with being straightforward and honest, ThisCake. If only more people were, perhaps there would be fewer political shenanigans.

Voted Yes to independence. Will vote to leave the EU. Was always a compromise, and I never expected opinions to change so drastically on the EU front, so fully expected we'd be staying in regardless of independence. But the migrant issue has exploded onto the scene amongst other things and I'd rather be in an independent UK than an EU dependent Scotland.

The SNP will use absolutely anything in order to try and trigger another "once in a life time" vote

Of course they will, they want Independence so there needs to be another referendum for this, this isnt a surprise.

We had the vote, the people spoke, they need to get over it

No "they" really dont as "they" have been voted into Government and have a mandate for Independence. The people spoke and voted 56 SNPs in to Westminster out of a possible 59 and I suspect the Scottish elections will have a good result for them to. If people dont want independence then they wont vote for the SNP - as the SNP are very clear this is what they want.

That's bullshit. I know several people who vote snp, even though they don't want independence, because they trusted them to a. Put Scotland's interests first and B. Honour what was said about the referendum being a once in a generation opportunity. They were fools. The SNP are awful.

Paul it isnt "bullshit" - Im not saying everyone who votes for the SNP wants independence at all......Im saying if you vote for them dont be surprised they want Independence, bit of a difference.

Clues in the name of the party.

We were told that the referendum was a once in a generation opportunity. So yes, it is bullshit, as we should surely be able to trust those elected to represent us? The SNP do nothing to serve the whole of the scottish people, they are self serving and only serve the Scottish people who want independence. They are a disgrace.

Can anyone explain to me how we would know if Scotland votes not to leave Europe and the rest votes yes. Will the votes be announced/published by region? If not this is a hypothetical discussion.

Will the votes be announced/published by region?

I think there will be a lot of commentary on the results including how different regions voted, yes.

Paul I agree totally. P.s. Are you looking forward to the new series? I'm now on Series 7 on Netflix - I've watched it all over the last 2 weeks - safe to say the house is like a coup!

I wonder if the SNP peeps will be afforded the same opportunity as the members of other parties to express their own views in the campaign rather than having to follow the party line? Ha ha ha .

The SNP do nothing to serve the whole of the scottish people, they are self serving and only serve the Scottish people who want independence. They are a disgrace.

It is perhaps worth pointing out that the SNP were voted in by their constituents, and should their constituents be displeased with them, they will be voted out. This is democracy. Especially in the Scottish Parliament where we have PR.

Yes we have PR so the MSPs serve the party not the people.

That's a good point that we all seem to forget about our democratically appointed governments ItsAllGoingToBeFine

Yes we have PR so the MSPs serve the party not the people.

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I'm no SNP supporter (can't abide nationalism) but they managed to win 56 out of 59 seats on a very clear manifesto of Scottish independence. If that isn't a mandate I don't know what is.

If they can force another referendum, good luck to them. That's how democracy works.

Well the electorate had already voted to stay in UK. Many no voters voted SNP for a Scottish voice in Westminster having rejected full independence. Their was also a promise of the referendum being a once in a generation event.