To wonder if scots will be voting to stay in the EU?

[Boomingmarvellous]

Because if they do and the rest of the U.K. vote leave, it will trigger another independent Scotland referendum

Just curious.

They are idiots Shove - prize ones. The kind you'd win prizes for at the fairground.

The power to call referenda is still reserved to Westminster. THE UKG gets to say when the next indyref is (if ever). I'm not convinced that the SNP actually want one, Sturgeon and Salmond are doing very nicely out of the Union. Sturgeon seems to spend more time in London than she does in Edinburgh.

Rewriting history to suit a narrative?

Would that be a "once in a lifetime" historical narrative?

SirChenjin - I'm afraid your posts don't even make sense to me. They sound petty and illogical. Please try harder.

FWIW I don't think that the SNP actually want another indyref right now. They would be better waiting until the figures are stronger.

A big mistake Westminster made was allowing the SNP to formulate the question for the referendum and thus put themselves as "Yes" so psychologically gaining the higher ground as the connotations with Yes being a positive thing and No being negative. Obviously it didn't work quite as well as they'd hoped.

If there is ever another indyref, I hope they phrase the question differently but if it was the other way round and the Yes campaign had to throw away all their Yes posters and stickers etc and change them for No posters and stickers it would make me sooooo happy :)

Westminster insisted on an in/out question with no devo max but it was Salmond proposed the yes/no question.

shove if the indref had been 10/15/20 years ago I'd be first in the queue to vote for it. I honestly think hope they've shot their bolt as I honestly don't think that it's the right time for it, I don't know if there ever will be a right time but I do hope there will. I'd be delighted to see a capable strong independant Scotland, making it's way in the world in a positive way and not as a negative "let's get rid of England" campaign.

I hate the SNP with a vengeance for what they have done and are doing to Scotland but that doesn't make me anti Scottish or indeed it also doesn't make me Pro Tory or anything else.

As for the Tories and SNP being on the same side in the EU referendum to an extent. The SNP are not a socialist party, they have more in common with the Tories regardless and they were right wing not that long ago. They simply say what they think will get them the most votes.

They don't make sense to you? I'll live with that.

there are a fair few people who disagree with your assessment of the intelligence of the SNP shoveyergranny

I'd like someone in the SNP to explain to me how an independent Scotland (Independence Day old have Been in about 2 months) would have avoided bankruptcy within the first six months given the state of the oil and gas industry and the loss of lots of other manufacturing industries. About the only thing that seems to be buoyant at the moment is whisky, but then as salmond said we are a nation of drunks

Magnum - I didn't see the Yes campaign as anti English. Sure, there are bigots and idiots on both sides of the argument. I'm not sure any major party can claim to be socialists these days. Labour certainly aren't.

Personally, after the last couple of years I am fed up of all politicians. The Yes movement is not just SNP. The anti Scottish sentiment coming from all angles is sad and a lot more virulent than any anti English sentiment I've ever seen.

I'm loving the fact that most (not all, but most) of the threads talking about the upcoming referendum on MN are thoughtful and well reasoned and don't indulge in the idiotic mudslinging and namecalling that is bogging up my facebook feed.

Anyway, as you were...

Yeah well shove i'd imaging most people would get pissed off if their friend decided to have a vote on whether they still wanted to be friends anymore. I saw loads of anti english stuff. I'm Scottish through and through but there are dicks on both sides of the border and i hate dicks, not someone just based on where they happened to be born.

The anti Scottish sentiment coming from all angles is sad and a lot more virulent than any anti English sentiment I've ever seen.

Not in my experience, but there you go.

So you're excusing the anti Scottish stuff then because their feelings were hurt? That's ridiculous,

I've not seen any anti Scottish stuff either. Where have you come across it shove?

The GE campaign by the Tories was "don't vote for Labour as then you will have the SNP too". Newspapers pre GE were full of anti-Scottish stuff, some of it really nasty. Often the same newspaper would have an anti SNP headline in the English version and a completely different headline in Scotland. Twitter was teaming with anti-Scottish bile.

Can you actually link to articles to back up those claims? People expressed opinions, but there is far more anti English sentiment up here than anti Scottish - 'twas ever thus and continues to be (I speak from experience as an English person living up here).

Twitter was teaming with all sorts of bile.

Twitter and Facebook are vehicles for spouting vile, uneducated rhetoric. Best avoided for the sake of your sanity.

shove you are equating a dislike of the SNP (and their agenda of breaking up the UK) with anti-Scottishness. I am Scottish but strongly dislike the SNP. I want a strong and prosperous Scotland within the UK, is that anti Scottish?

It's quite funny all the indignation and fake surprise that the SNP want another referendum, of course they do. If the majority of Scottish people don't want that then I guess the SNP won't perform very well in the forthcoming Scottish elections. I suspect they will though!

Shoveyer, you seem to think that anti SNP is anti Scottish. That just isn't true. The SNP are NOT Scotland.

Not at all Laguna. It's perfectly possible to want the SNP in power but not want independence - y'know, as the 'once in a lifetime' referendum showed.

I know SNP is not Scotland however that is how the papers treated It. Fear the Scots was a common theme pre GE. I tried to attach a few pics of examples but I'm not sure if it will work.

Yes that is possible SirC but since the SNP have made no secret of their wish for independence which will involve another referendum at some point by voting for the SNP you know what you will be getting!