To wonder if scots will be voting to stay in the EU?

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Because if they do and the rest of the U.K. vote leave, it will trigger another independent Scotland referendum

Just curious.

I think it's more disagreeing than bashing though?

We can disagree with the snp as much as we like.

This imaginary "tactical voting" idea has somehow been turned into an SNP plan. It's an utter nonsense.

You can't talk about the issue at hand without bringing the SNP shite into it though can you? It's them that are trying to link these two things and get another referendum about Scottish Independence of the back of a completely unrelated subject, they simply cannot let it go even though the lies they told have all come out.

shoveyergranny "only England voted for the Tories"
Undoubtably the English voters carried the vote for the Torys into power, but 434,000 voters in Scotland voted Tory.

I can't be bothered with another million threads bashing one side or the other but it's only fair to point that figure out.

The SNP need to push the EU membership card as there were so many wobbles about the currency etc.

If the UK votes to come out of the EU and then somehow there is another indyref and they somehow get a vote to leave the UK, then Scotland does what? Joins the queue to join the EU? a lot of ifs and buts as far as I can see.

I am baffled as to why anyone should be surprised the SNP will still push for independence, it is their raison d'etre after all. The reason Labour is dead in Scotland is because of the lies they told during the referendum, the SNP is still going strong.

This is all so familiar and it is no doubt going to get much worse. Only 4 months to go, such fun.

I'm pro de-centralisation. Hence I am in the leave camp. If that in turn gives Scotland independence all well and good.

Where the issue gets cloudy is if Scottish votes tip the balance to Stay and they subsequently achieve independence (which is highly likely).

it is their raison d'etre after all

Yes independence at any and all costs to the Scottish people. It's getting to the point where I hate them almost as much as Thatcher.

It saddens me that the SNP has such a hold, their spin is unbelievable.

All I want to figure out before June 23 is the balance of pros and cons. It is so complicated though I don't even know whether I should vote as I don't think I could ever be sure what the right answer is.

If the Scots vote to stay and England votes to leave, will British students get free Uni education in Scotland?

Scotland isn't actually an independent country evilcherub, Britain votes as one. I guess you already know that though and are just being goady.

I'm not sure either. I need to look at all the pros and cons, none of which relate to indyref.

I guess that you can always have another chance to vote to leave the EU but if we leave, there's no going back. I am trying to look at objectively and not in relation to any party politics.

I would vote to stay in the EU.

I like the Human Rights Act, and other things like that, and I think if we didn't have that protection and had another unelected Tory government (13% of Scots voted Tory, vs 34% in every part of the UK) there would be no protection at all for our rights.

I'm not the EU's biggest fan, but it needs work to improve, not abandoned entirely, otherwise we face a future with no check on our government's actions at all. The House of Lords no longer wields the same powers it did before Britain joined the EU, and can no longer effectively provide checks and balances.

Thread has thrown up even more confusion that I though possible. So many what ifs.

I guess if people just vote on the facts and not use tactics, that's all we can hope for.

If Scots stay in the EU and England leave we will have to re-build Hadrian's Wall as a border

... and dig out Offa's Dyke if Wales decide the same

t's them that are trying to link these two things and get another referendum about Scottish Independence of the back of a completely unrelated subject

It's not completely unrelated

Westminster stated that if Scotland left the UK it would lose EU membership, and that if it stayed in the UK it would stay in the EU. This point influenced many no voters, who would have voted Yes if they had known the UK was going to pull them out of the EU anyway.

I guess that you can always have another chance to vote to leave the EU

Isn't that rather unlikely though? It's taken many years for this one chance to finally come around...

I can guarantee that your average Scottish indyref voter was not basing their decision on the EU question. It is unrelated as there is no automatic trigger for indyref2 based on the the results of the EU vote. the Eu vote should be campaigned on as if we are part of the UK, which we are. We all voted, that was the result. We were promised a "once in a lifetime" indyref. I'm still alive as far as I know so they can fuck off with indyref2.

Magnum So you think it is "fair" for Scotland/Wales/NI to be forced to leave the EU becuase England votes leave?

biscuit the way I saw it described on the news at the weekend was as if it could be something that we vote on every 5 years....I commented at the time to my DH that you can only vote again in 5 years if you vote to stay in as voting to join again isn't quite as simple. Can't remember who said it though.

There is no Ireland/Wales and Scotland in the EU to decide to stay or not.

There is the UK.

Whether the EU would want any of the 4 as individual countries would be down to each applying independently if there was to be a complete split.

The European convention on human rights is not an EU matter, but separate. Vote leave will therefore not change this.
If an independent scotland wanted to join the EU, they would have to adopt the Euro and the Schengan area.

Westminster stated that if Scotland left the UK it would lose EU membership, and that if it stayed in the UK it would stay in the EU. This point influenced many no voters, who would have voted Yes if they had known the UK was going to pull them out of the EU anyway.

No. Everyone knew an in/out EU referendum was in the pipeline. Nobody was fooled into voting No. A Yes vote would have meant definitely leaving the EU and having to join the queue to apply again.

i am scottish and proud to be british .i voted to stay in at the referrendum .but i will vote out of europe but ms sturgeon our illustrest leader wants out of britain but she wants to be bossed by europe .as we say up here the woman is a tube .

I am voting to stay in the EU because I truly believe it's in our best interest - but I would love it if more Scots than English voted to come out just to see Nicola implode with rage. Whatever the result she'd soon find some other excuse to trigger another referendum - even though the polls are showing there is no appetite for one.