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AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

To think children need a father in order to thrive?

234 replies

Jellybeam · 11/02/2016 07:35

...in life?

Aibu to think that children who don't have their biological father present in their childhood end up with a heap of problems during childhood and throughout the rest of their lives.

How can anyone be happy not knowing who made them? My dad was there from birth until my late teens, I have a 6 week DD and her dad is abusive and I want to leave but I worry she will grow up with problems due to not really knowing her father. I know staying with her dad will mean she ends up with even bigger issues, but I can't help but feel she'll be missing on having a dad

OP posts:
SoozeyHoozey · 11/02/2016 17:00

Kids are better off with a mum and dad as long as they are good parents. If they are bad parents, they are better off without them. My son is ten and can't remember his dad (abusive) and so far seems well adjusted. He's a lovely caring well behaved boy. Of course things could still go wrong when he's older, but so far so good.

MrsJayy · 11/02/2016 17:09

queen I'm super sensitive to raised voices its just ingrained I think

spanky2 · 11/02/2016 17:36

Solomon is a blast from the past. It's like going to talk to someone in medieval times.

Terribleknitter · 11/02/2016 18:25

Just had a read through the thread and as everything has been said much better than I ever could I'll just drop this here:
Focus on the family is Duggar style Christian fundie bullshit. I lost a good friend to this type of crap coupled with an abusive man a while back, it's dangerous and isolating an not to be trusted.

HormonalHeap · 11/02/2016 19:07

I was in your position op. A few years down the line I met my lovely dh. My kids now see what's normal and don't have to live in a shit atmosphere with fear. You have a dd, and although I'm worried about generalising, I find that girls find having a step dad much easier than boys for some reason.

My children's abusive dad was starting to damage them emotionally. The older your dd grows, the harder it'll be to protect her from him and the toxic atmosphere. Don't let her live like that.

Mag314 · 11/02/2016 19:16

Even in that link, it still says that on average children do better with married parents, is that all they've got!?!?!? They're pushing marriage as best, no matter what! and that's still all they have.

Obviously that focus on the family group wouldn't recommend that the father shouts and yells and uses the threat of losing his temper to prevent those around him from expressing any need of their own!

Racmactac · 11/02/2016 19:27

I absolutely achieved more in my life without a dad in it so YABU.
my f left when I was 1, last saw him when I was 6. I have a degree, post grad, very good job etc etc.

if f had been around I doubt id have achieved any of that.

cestlavielife · 11/02/2016 19:27

family-studies.org/how-dads-affect-their-daughters-into-adulthood/

My ex p sent me this nut it pre supposes a supportive father...

Fact is dd1 refuses to see him for v good reason. He is a bully. Brining him back into her life will cause harm .

missymayhemsmum · 11/02/2016 19:29

OP, children who grow up with one focused loving parent (and as many other loving reliable adults as you have handy- friends family, grandparents etc) and no abuse generally do really well.

Much better than children who grow up in abusive relationships. The sooner you get out, the less damage done.

MrsMook · 11/02/2016 19:36

Nothing to do with abuse, but I wasn't brought up by my parents. My mother was involved from the sidelines. I first met my father when I was an adult. I had a stable, loving upbringing, and am a happy, successful adult.

Love and security matter much more than the connection.

PregnantAndEngaged · 11/02/2016 19:40

Sorry to hear you are going through this. I know first hand that experiencing abuse is more likely to mess you up than not having a dad.

My dad has never been around and I don't care. Yes I do sometimes look with jealousy on others families thinking "I wish I had had that when I was younger". But I make up for it with my own family now. It hasn't messed me up as the rest of my family was a good support network.. my nan in particular.

However my brother was incredibly abusive. We had bricks through our window every night, he stabbed my mum and all sorts. It was horrific and definitely caused me more trouble than not having a dad.

AliceScarlett · 11/02/2016 21:08

I'm still angry with my mum for staying with my abusive dad and I'm now 30. Please leave him, children can be so very damaged growing up in a household blighted by DV.

cherrypopsicle · 11/02/2016 21:28

My Dad walked out when I was 3 and my sister 1. We are now both perfectly normal adults in happy, stable relationships. A loving father is amazing, I would never swap my DH or BIL, but I am so grateful my dad chose to leave so we could have a happy upbringing. I had absolutely no relationship with him, and felt nothing when he died. I have never felt I have missed out

Okiedokiefanokie · 11/02/2016 21:40

OK. I grew up with an abusive mother. My parents divorced when I was 8 and I adored my father but I could never forgive him for making me live with her after knowing she was neglectful and violent (towards me, never my siblings) and I left home at 17 before I hurt her, or myself.

I'm virtually NC with her now, and it has affected my whole life, eating disorder, low self esteem amongst other things. I am on an even keel now but its taken me until my 40s, and now I overcompensate and am overprotective with my own children.

It physically hurts to write it down.
Please find the strength to leave. Please.

PoundingTheStreets · 11/02/2016 22:29

My twopenneth worth

What children need is a loving, nurturing environment where there physical and psychological needs are met; where they are encouraged to develop and to take (carefully controlled) risks to achieve their full potential; where they do not see lack of success as failure, only a learning opportunity, and where they are cherished for who they are, faults and all. Role models are an important part of this, because they show a child a whole other world available to them, and embody all these lofty ideals in a real person - they are the application of the theory if you like.

IMO it really doesn't matter whether those role models are male or female. That's tired old crap trotted out by the idea fathers are the last line in discipline; that a male child needs to see a male adult being the breadwinner/playing with his DC in order to internalise the idea that this is what males do. As someone who passionately believes that men and women can do the exact same things with the exception of gestation and lactation, I don't need my DS to see a man contributing to housework in order to raise a male child who sees it as his responsibility to contribute to housework. This is because he will be raised to see it as every person's responsibility - irrespective of gender - to contribute to housework. To my mind, gender is very much secondary to all the other human characteristics and traits such as fairness, decency, personal responsibility, self discipline, hard work, co-operation etc should be very much gender blind. And I, as a mother, am just as capable of fostering those in my DC as any father is. To say different is to say that same-sex families are inferior.

The reason we hold up two-parent families as 'better' is mainly because the more adults who are that heavily invested in a child, the better.

But what if that isn't the case? IMO a happy, stable single-parent family is far, far healthier for a child than a two-parent family where there is an unhappy family dynamic, let alone one in which domestic abuse may feature.

The reason that outcomes for single parent families are worse than those of two-parent families are nowhere near as straightforward as many like to believe. One of the factors is blindingly obvious - the reasons that led to the relationship breakdown in the first place! As an example, abuse features more highly in the history of single parents than it does in the general population (busting the myth that women stay; they actually leave and then get punished for it). Or there may have been gambling issues, an affair that led to one party being largely absent, or someone may have lost their job, etc. These will all affect the child regardless of whether the parents stay together or split. But we examine the effects less in families where the parents stay together and choose to focus on single parents.

Furthermore, once you control for poverty, the differences between single parents and two-parent families are actually negligible. And even in families where there is poverty, if the primary carer (usually mum, as is the case in 90% of LP families) has been well educated, even the negative effects of poverty are cancelled out. But it is, of course, far easier to demonise single parent families than it is to accept that maybe we should be doing more to ensure single parents aren't left in poverty - such as maintenance should be considered a god-given right, not a bonus if you manage to get any (let alone a reasonable amount), or making childcare more accessible and affordable, or trying to do more to ensure children from poorer backgrounds don't fall foul of the postcode lottery when it comes to schools and poverty of aspiration.

The world has changed. We know that children need stability, love, education and money in order to reach their full potential. When we accept that there are many ways to achieve this - well-supported single parents, traditional nuclear families, same-sex-parent families, extended families - and stop trying to apply a one-size-fits-all approach, I think we'll have a far happier society.

Charley50 · 11/02/2016 22:37

Hear hear Pounding!

SakuraSakura · 11/02/2016 22:52

Op, my dm left my abusive bio father when I was a baby. The best thing that anyone has ever done for me Smile. She's my hero.

cakedup · 11/02/2016 23:19

As a lone parent, I get really fucking offended by people suggesting that my DS is missing out by not having a father around. I was brought up by my dad. DS is being raised by me, a female. Both have/have had loving and nurturing childhoods. Genitals have nothing to do with it.

I remember being on holiday once and a getting to know a couple who would visit the same pool and had a ds the same age as my ds. After two days, the husband told me "you can tell he misses his father by the way he acts with me". WTF?? Some men are just so egotistic/insecure they are continuously having to prove their need for existence. Aren't they Solomon.

FWIW DS is a very happy child thank you. Loving, considerate, thoughtful and funny. He is a magnet for younger kids because he is so good with them - already showing he has better paternal instincts than his own useless father.

How dare anyone say I am not enough for my DS.

cakedup · 11/02/2016 23:25

Brilliant post PoundingTheStreets I agree with everything you've said.

SinisterBumFacedCat · 11/02/2016 23:30

As above I am offended that anyone would think I had failed to "thrive" in a single parent family.

Tbh the minute my DM divorced my DF the thriving began.

kawliga · 12/02/2016 01:26

Single parent from pregnancy here. Two parents are definitely better than one, just like two people on a job is better than one person on a job - because they back each other up (especially financially) and help each other out. I miss out on having someone to help while I build IKEA furniture or to watch my dd while I go out for a pint of milk...endless little things where two are better than one. And big things too - there is another parent there if you die. Your child will not be an orphan if something happens to you. I get how powerful that thought is.

So it is true as many pp have said that a two-parent home is more stable and secure than a one-parent home. But...it all depends on them both being good people and good partners. If one is abusive, it's game up.

Better to do a job alone and have nobody to help, than to have someone tagging along who undermines all your efforts, fights you every step of the way, never helps you out, sucks up all your emotional and financial resources, destroys what you're trying to create and worst of all, hurts your children by exposing them to abuse - watching their mother being abused.

My dd has watched me struggle alone with the poxy IKEA wobbly furniture which is maybe a bit sad, and in an existential sense she is starting to sense the vulnerability of having only one parent (if something were to happen to me). But she has never witnessed any form of unhappiness or hostile words in our little home and has never suffered the pain of watching somebody being unkind to her own mother. She is growing up with a healthy sense of the worth of human beings - not just herself or me as her mother but all the lovely human beings we interact with.

I can safely say that ALL the people we have welcomed into our world are good and kind people, without exception. Many lovely childminders and babysitters, teachers, classmates, not to mention colleagues and friends. The world is full of good people. Surround yourself with them. Don't link yourself to an abuser.

mollyonthemove · 12/02/2016 06:32

Why is it assumed that separation or divorce is the only way to be a single parent? As I said, my father died - which is very different and brings a whole lot of other issues into play.

mummytime · 12/02/2016 06:50

My mother left my abusive father when I was 2.
I have no long term issues.

If she'd have stayed I'm sure I would have had them.

Lots and lots and lots of children throughout history have been raised mainly by their mothers. And certainly then men in their lives have not been their biological fathers.
One quick example: World War II - lots of children didn't see their fathers for 5 years or more (or barely). It didn't create a massive breakdown in society.

BillThePony · 12/02/2016 07:06

Your dd will fair much better with a single parent than an abusive one.

My dd grew up without a father, she is doing her a levels and predicted a's in all 4, she is also one of the most confident and independent young women I have ever known.

You and your dd deserve better Thanks

sahddad · 12/02/2016 07:58

Jellybeam, so sorry that your so-called "partner" is abusive. Get away from him before he hurts your little one, please.

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