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AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

To have rules for guests, or am I being controlling?

267 replies

AnotherNc · 02/02/2016 10:25

My PILs are coming to stay for 5weeks in our 2-bed flat Shock
They are from a different country and culture, normal for family to come and help for few months after birth of a child. I've managed to delay the visit until DS is 6months!

I want to set some rules but DH thinks IABU. Would value your opinions.

  1. I don't want them to take DS out of flat without me.
  2. As they will use our en-suite for showers (other bathroom only has low-level shower) I want them to set a time for this rather than tramp in and out of our bedroom when DS is napping/BF/I'm trying to have a break. I need some privacy!
  3. I plan to invite them to some baby classes but not all. I feel it's inappropriate for them to observe baby yoga or swimming as other mums may feel awkward!
  4. Some days I want to take DS out for day without PILs.
  5. I want to do all bedtime routines, he's hard to settle so I don't want them coming into our bedroom after 8pm.
  6. I don't want them to bath him without me (I have anxiety re him being left unattended for few secs).
  7. DH wants to do a mini-break but I can't face a long drive with PILs as I will have to sit in back with no space and I get carsick in the back.
  8. I hate family breakfasts. I want to be able to grab some toast/coffee after the 7am feed then get showered and dressed before facing anyone. DH thinks this is rude.

So... AIBU? So as not to drip feed they don't speak much English so DH will have to translate the 'rules'.

OP posts:
seafoodeatit · 02/02/2016 12:49

I feel a twitch coming on from reading this, how on earth did you get lumbered with 5 weeks? that seems very excessive to me to spend time in a confined space with anyone let alone inlaws.

Your DH is being v v unreasonable, 'she will expect to run the house'? I would be cancelling their tickets or booking some for me!

Thetruthfairy · 02/02/2016 12:50

Anxiety talking here.

Don't create problems before they arise. If they do, and they might be different to the ones you expect, let dh deal with them in a way that won't create more tension.

I was very much the same with dc1. Be rational and be kind to yourself. Use this as an opportunity to get some me time xxxx

Stratter5 · 02/02/2016 12:50
  1. I still get carsick if I sit in the back, and I get carsick wherever I sit if it's a Mercedes - don't ask, no idea why, but it's the PILs car of choice awkwardly. It's definitely not unreasonable to insist you sit in the front.
WeeHelena · 02/02/2016 12:52

If they need access to ensuite can you not switch bedrooms for duration of their stay so that they can't then disturb you there.

I do think you are being a too strict and will make the whole thing miserable for everyone.

You are free to go out alone with ds if you like, 5 weeks of constantly being in someones company would drive anyone mad by day 2.

Don't put up barriers Imo you are making it harder for yourself and being incredibly unwelcoming.

After a week or two you might settle into routine.

afussyphase · 02/02/2016 12:52

for those suggesting airbnb for 5 weeks, do you realise that in the UK it's often well over 100£ / night even in villages? For that you could do a really nice reno on the bathroom :)

Mine are coming for 4 weeks. But I do have an office to retreat to, and my DC are in school, and my DH will be working but not excessive hours, so it's not exactly the same (but I didn't think any of those details were relevant to my other post) - just in case anyone's concerned at the high levels of ILs-from-other-place-visit-for-5-weeks on MN! My parents also don't live in the UK but come for 1-2 weeks when they come - they share the sense of wanting their own space and we'd drive them crazy too after much longer. Just different cultures.

RatherBeRiding · 02/02/2016 12:53

5 weeks in a 2-bed flat with PILs who don't speak English sounds like hell, and YANBU to want to set boundaries.

The whole "expects to run the household" is total bollocks, and you need to knock that expectation on the head right now, row with DH or no row with DH. It's YOUR home - not just your DH's home. And YOUR baby, not just DH's baby.

They may be family, but they are still guests, and guests DO NOT get to run the household and I would be really concerned about the lack of respect for your boundaries and your position that that implies.

However, it sounds as though you are stuck with the arrangement so in order to make it as harmonious as possible you do need to decide what of your "rules" are deal-breakers.

Personally I wouldn't be offering them your en-suite at all. What on earth does it matter if they have to use the bath rather than shower? Or if there is some genuine mobility issue which means either of them can't get down and back up in the bath then you need to very politely say that your en-suite will be available to them during these hours, and if your bedroom door is closed it means you do not wish to be disturbed as you may be sleeping or BF.

Definitely don't present any of these as rules though - just be very matter of fact that "this is the way we do things just so you you know and in order to make your stay as comfortable as possible".

Good luck! Flowers

LagunaBubbles · 02/02/2016 12:58

5 weeks is far far too long for visitors to stay regardless of who they are, no matter how much I got on with them. So thats the first issue. This will be mad.

However your anxiety levels arent healthy and I agree with posters saying you need to address this. I dont get all this in-law spite you see sometimes here on MN, which seems just for the sake of it (and Im not saying this is you OP just the tone of some of the replies).

murphys · 02/02/2016 12:59

The OP's DH has no right to force his culture on the OP like this.

Worral I bet that OP was well aware of the fact that her dh or dh's family at least, were not from the UK. So surely the conversation was held at some point regarding his family visiting, them visiting his family etc. Is he just supposed to discard his family, traditions and cultures because he didn't marry someone from the same country? Its hardly something that has just popped up as a surprize in the last few days..... the baby is 6 months old already... the visit has just been postponed as OP didn't want them here any earlier.

MistressDeeCee I agree with every word you posted. I hope that the baby is able to learn about the other side of his heritage, not just the British side.

JessicasRabbit · 02/02/2016 12:59

as I will have to sit in back with no space and I get carsick in the back

This is insane. Car sick people sit in the front - it is daft to have someone likely to throw up in the back. Could you drive and have DH sit in the back?

YANBU about wanting your own space - having your bedroom to yourselves will make you feel a million times better. If the door is shut, people knock. It really should be up to your DH to explain this to his parents.

JapaneseSlipper · 02/02/2016 13:01

Wow, I can't believe people think you're being unreasonable.

Yes, maybe you are being a little anxious, but so what? This is your home, it's your baby, and you are having these people imposed on you. Yes, they are your parents-in-law but you do not sound close.

I agree that laying down "rules" might come across badly, so I'd quietly set about setting up boundaries with your husband so you don't have to spell everything out.

"1) I don't want them to take DS out of flat without me." You can address this in the second week or so. By then you might be more comfortable with the idea. In the meantime, if they offer, just say "not now, I'm feeding/baby's napping/let's all go to the shops" whatever works.
"2) As they will use our en-suite for showers (other bathroom only has low-level shower) I want them to set a time for this rather than tramp in and out of our bedroom when DS is napping/BF/I'm trying to have a break. I need some privacy!" Absolutely not unreasonable and I think you could put a lock on the bedroom door. To those saying "surely they would knock" - not everyone would, and knocking at the wrong moment can and does wake up babies that have taken a LONG time to settle, undoing much hard work. You can absolutely tell them when they can use your shower.

"3) I plan to invite them to some baby classes but not all. I feel it's inappropriate for them to observe baby yoga or swimming as other mums may feel awkward!" Perfectly reasonable. Don't forget they might want a break sometimes too.
"4) Some days I want to take DS out for day without PILs." You can and should. Go for it, no one can stop you.
"5) I want to do all bedtime routines, he's hard to settle so I don't want them coming into our bedroom after 8pm." Think this is fine, they might surprise you and be more helpful than you think - feel this one out.
"6) I don't want them to bath him without me (I have anxiety re him being left unattended for few secs)." Another one to address after a week or so. You might feel reassured by their competence. Or you may decide not to. Up to you.
"7) DH wants to do a mini-break but I can't face a long drive with PILs as I will have to sit in back with no space and I get carsick in the back." Bigger car or two cars as suggested. You absolutely should not be made to suffer a car journey that will make you ill. Can't believe that people think you should.
"8) I hate family breakfasts. I want to be able to grab some toast/coffee after the 7am feed then get showered and dressed before facing anyone. DH thinks this is rude." Too bad for your husband. He doesn't get to decide how you act and what you do.

Bottom line is, no one can make you do anything you don't want to. I think a lot of this stuff can be handled without needing to draw up a charter. Stand your ground.

Again, can't believe the advice you're getting on here.

Oriunda · 02/02/2016 13:02

Have they not seen their grandchild yet? Can't guess 100% the culture, but if it's anything like my Italian DH's, the very fact they've not yet been able to see their grandchild is already very unusual for them and I'd imagine quite embarrassing for them to have to admit to friends/family members etc.

Can only imagine how desperate they must be to see their GC and how upset your rules would make them. By all means keep them out of bedroom etc and have your husband explain about need for privacy etc, but you need to relax a bit.

Baby classes are boring but your MIL in particular might like to watch one (not swimming). I used to take mine to one at the start of her stay and one was enough - after that she'd prefer to go shopping! You may find that FIL would rather stay home and read the paper (mine did).

Mil likes to be queen in the kitchen? Let her cook and freeze meals to her hearts content - saves you doing it! Try and make some positives out of the negatives.

If they're elderly, they probably don't travel much - and I'm guessing they may not come to visit you again. Try and bear that in mind.

One more thing. Are you planning to bring your child up to respect his father's heritage and be bi-lingual? It's a huge gift to give to a child so I hope you're not going to control that and forbid it. How sad if your child couldn't communicate with his family. You could learn some of the language at the same time, so that you could understand your child when he is talking to other members of his family.

babyboomersrock · 02/02/2016 13:05

OP, please ignore the "pfb" comments and the advice to get your anxiety fixed. How patronising.

As for by 18 months, you'll be desperate for a break from your dc - I wonder why people have dc at all if they're so desperate to off-load them. I had 4 dc and honestly never wanted to hand mine over. Some posters seem to have difficulty accepting that we're all different.

5 weeks is a long time to put up with this, especially when your dh will be unavailable for most of that time. I agree with those who suggested getting the shower fixing attached to the wall, and to having a lock put on your door.

As for his telling you that your baby will be ready for a sippy cup by then - that isn't his decision, especially if you're breastfeeding. Go into your room, lock the door, and cherish the time alone with your baby.

Oh and I noticed this - And yet somehow, by some miracle, their son appears to have survived to adulthood - yes, they parented him when they were young, not in their 70s with poor mobility, in an unfamiliar country.

I'm 68, fairly fit, and have small dgc - I'm just as careful (or neurotic as some here would have it) about their safety and comfort as I was with my own. If I were to visit family abroad, I wouldn't be demanding I take the baby out alone - I'd want to know I could handle any situation which might arise, be able to call for help if needed and so on.

The fact that your in-laws don't seem to be worrying about that is the very reason they wouldn't be taking any dc of mine out alone.

Movingonmymind · 02/02/2016 13:13

In the circumstances of being overseas and with a newborn, yadnbu. It os hard work to have family to stay for such a long time when overseas, people don't understand unless they've been there. With a baby will be much more so. Much easier to set a few rules in advance.

araiba · 02/02/2016 13:13

when they knock on your front door, punch them in the face and tell them them to fuck off.

a much quicker way of making them feel equally unwelcome

JassyRadlett · 02/02/2016 13:16

I'm 68, fairly fit, and have small dgc - I'm just as careful (or neurotic as some here would have it) about their safety and comfort as I was with my own. If I were to visit family abroad, I wouldn't be demanding I take the baby out alone - I'd want to know I could handle any situation which might arise, be able to call for help if needed and so on.

You sound like my mum. Smile I live on the other side of the world from my family, and she visits once a year. We love having her here.

She hates staying in people's homes, so gets a rental. (We would make her very welcome, but she's happier this way.) She's extraordinarily careful with my boys, partly because she's out of her usual environment (though she knows our area well), and is very clear with us that she knows her limits as she's not in her 20s as she was when we were kids! She's also very respectful of us as equal adults, and our home as ours.

As a result, she has a wonderful relationship with DH as well as her two DILs. My SIL's mum is more in the mould mentioned elsewhere - it's her way or the highway, my SIL is abused if she doesn't do things her mother's way, and the whole relationship with her grandchildren is expected to be facilitated wholly by SIL, while her mother barely even interacts with the kids. Oddly enough, SIL seems to spend a lot more time with my mum.

I have two boys. I know what kind of MIL I want to be.

brassbrass · 02/02/2016 13:17
  1. I don't want them to take DS out of flat without me. fair enough but you might be more comfortable about it by the end of their stay
  2. As they will use our en-suite for showers (other bathroom only has low-level shower) I want them to set a time for this rather than tramp in and out of our bedroom when DS is napping/BF/I'm trying to have a break. I need some privacy! just let them use the other bathroom rather than traipsing through your bedroom. keep your bedroom a no go zone
  3. I plan to invite them to some baby classes but not all. I feel it's inappropriate for them to observe baby yoga or swimming as other mums may feel awkward! fair enough
  4. Some days I want to take DS out for day without PILs. try and recommend some sightseeing to them, get DH to help them plan their own outings so you can do this whilst they also have fun
  5. I want to do all bedtime routines, he's hard to settle so I don't want them coming into our bedroom after 8pm. bedroom is a no go zone
  6. I don't want them to bath him without me (I have anxiety re him being left unattended for few secs). can you work on this at all? will they insist on bathing him? I can see it would be a joy for the grandparents to do.
  7. DH wants to do a mini-break but I can't face a long drive with PILs as I will have to sit in back with no space and I get carsick in the back. what alternatives are there to the mode of travel? can you go by train?
  8. I hate family breakfasts. I want to be able to grab some toast/coffee after the 7am feed then get showered and dressed before facing anyone. DH thinks this is rude. this is rude. it sounds like you don't want to make any effort at all. how realistic is it? will you keep this up for 5 weeks? wouldn't be easier to just come down and have breakfast then they could mind the baby while you get ready?

Mostly there is resistance in your post. You don't really want them around and are planning on having very little to do with them. If you can't compromise and accept they will want to be a part of your DS's life than it is going to be an extremely awkward 5 weeks. Put yourself in their shoes and ask yourself if you would be happy to be treated like that when visiting your son and new grandson whom you don't get to see very often. They already had to wait 6 months missing out on seeing the new baby.

Also make sure your DH is taking some time off to be with them. It would be unreasonable to expect you to mind them on weekdays while he dips in at the weekend. He needs to be around to help them settle in and make it easier for all of you especially if communication is going to be a problem.

2rebecca · 02/02/2016 13:21
  1. Seems over cautious.
  2. OK
  3. OK
  4. OK 5 weeks is a long time to spend in someone's pocket they may want time alone too.
  5. OK
  6. Seems overcautious but OK
  7. Why should you be relegated to the back? I'd insist on staying in the front, I don't travel in the back if older relatives are in the car. I'd insist on driving otherwise.
  8. OK family breakfasts for 5 weeks are OTT, your husband can breakfast with them if he wants but if he's swanning off to work expecting you to play hostess and run a hotel for 5 weeks is unreasonable.
KakiFruit · 02/02/2016 13:23

You might want to see someone for your levels of anxiety and control tendencies.

Oh, piss off. Being careful about crossing the road and not wanting dogs all over a newborn baby is NOT something you need to seek psychiatric help for. FFS.

GarlicBake · 02/02/2016 13:23

Grin araiba.

Another, I think YABU and completely understandable.

I'm guessing this is a big-family-all-together type of culture, where Mama knows best? TBH, the wisest thing would be to yield to it for five weeks. I also know it will be a big effort and your teeth will be on edge several times a day, so I sympathise. But they've got a return ticket - this can be your mantra!

They aren't taking your baby away from you. They're coming to bless you with the surrounding family that, to them, is the very meaning of life. You'll be able to negotiate your privacy. If you can manage to let Family envelop you for a specific few weeks & go with the flow, it will pass soon enough and there will be at least some parts that bathe you in the warm glow of being cared for. Hang on to those memories, and the rest will just be something that happened (and, no doubt, highly amusing in retrospect.)

Hope it goes well Flowers Good luck.

QuintessentialShadow · 02/02/2016 13:24

DH has said his mum will 'want to run our household'

DH needs to tell his mum that she runs her own household at home, and you run yours.

I suspect you have come up with these rules because MIL is overbearing and entitled and does not respect you. Your husband needs to back you up.

2rebecca · 02/02/2016 13:24

No-one runs our house except my husband and I. I'd be threatening to take the baby elsewhere for 5 weeks if he's not seeing my views as as important as his. I would never have agreed to 5 weeks though. 3 max

MadisonAvenue · 02/02/2016 13:25

The only rule I'd impose is that they CANNOT stay for 5 weeks.

I only need to spend 5 hours with my in laws to be at breaking point Hmm

Flowers for you

MrsSparkles · 02/02/2016 13:26

My inlaws have just left after spending 6 weeks us. When DD was 5 months old they came for 5 weeks, so I do get how you are feeling :)

To all those saying why so long, its excessive - when they're in their 70's and its a longhaul flight its a big effort and not to be undertaken lightly or often (depending on their health).

I was a bit like you for the first visit, I worked myself up into quite a state over it thinking they were going to come in and take over and I wasn't going to let them do this that and the other. But now DD is older and I have some perspective, I see that I was tired, grumpy, scared as I'd never seen them with DD - how would they be, could they cope?

Remember they're coming to see their grandchild who they have never met and must be so excited, and I think it would be crushing to be met with this immediate list of rules. Personally I'd ask your DH to have a word with them about being considerate (eg if bedroom door is shut always knock, maybe what times would be best to shower etc). But (sorry) I really think you're being pfb with regard to bath and bedtime. Let them enjoy some time with him as you never know when the visit will be their last. And think how you'll feel if one day your DIL says things like that.

Sorry if that sounds harsh, but I have been there and I do totally, totally understand how you are feeling.

They may not do things exactly as you'd like but its 5 weeks - nothing in the grand scheme, and always remember you won't have to see them for a long time again when you really feel like screaming!

QuintessentialShadows · 02/02/2016 13:27

Why not let baby yoga and baby swimming be for you and baby only, and make these days where you go on outings on your own.

I would not mind letting them take baby for a walk in the pram, you can have a tea and a bit of a break while they are out. A nap, or a shower, or just some privacy.

zipzap · 02/02/2016 13:30

I've seen situations before like this where it sometimes seems that you end up in a lose:lose situation - the PIL come to your house and in order to be polite to them you let them take control/do the cooking/etc - but then when you go to their house you are also expected to be polite as a guest and let them be in control, let them do the cooking etc etc...

I'm also Shock about having to share a small living space with PIL for 5 weeks - not sure I could have have shared for 5 days with my PIL or even my Parents - particularly with a young baby and the different culture and language difficulties in the mix. If you're somebody that likes their home to be their sanctuary and you're not used to having long term guests then I think it is very easy for others that do like it or are used to it to underestimate quite how stressful the experience can be. Particularly the hours during the day when DH is at work and you'd normally be happy pootling around doing your own thing, and suddenly you have a load of extra stress and work and people around and it's horrible but bearable for a day or two - but can begin to get a lot worse and worse as time wears on.

And I wouldn't even be able to escape from it by taking the baby and going out - because I'd be worried about what they were doing back in my house - were they poking around looking at stuff they shouldn't, or throwing stuff away trying to be helpful by clearing up, or rearranging things to their way of doing things rather than mine and so on (I've had my mum, aunt and mil all do these when they were staying - and for only a day or two - and that's generally getting on well with all of them, asking them not to meddle in stuff (albeit phrased more nicely!) and sometimes when I'm there too, not just when I'm out.

If your MIL is somebody that wants to take control, but you don't want her to have that control, just remind her with a smile 'Don't worry about that MIL, you're a guest, relax and I'll cook/do whatever I feel comfortable and I'll just ask for help if I need it'. Or just remind her that she's in the UK now (I assume!) and that 'this is how it is done here. You can show me how you do it when I'm in your country.' Treating Thinking of them like toddlers too can be helpful - lots of 'don't be silly's' and 'Oh we don't do it like that here, look this is the way that works best...'

If you try to do it with a smile and be nice about it, it will be much more difficult for them to argue against and more importantly, it will be more difficult for your dh to go against you and side with his parents (which it sounds like he is setting you up to expect by telling you his mum is controlling) or to get angry at you. And next time your dh tells you his mum likes to take control remind him that that's fine in her own home but you expect that if she is a guest in your home then you are the one in control - and it's your home, your baby, your rules - particularly if he is not going to be around for more than half the time.

And it's a bit late to blame things on pg hormones - but hey - if you do need to then if they are annoying you or doing things that will cause a problem - then why not just blow your top at them if asking them nicely to do/stop doing something doesn't work? And if things are getting bad then send texts or emails to dh to make him realise there is a problem and it's getting worse so it doesn't come out of the blue. Plus next time you'll have a record of it so you can make sure that he only invites his parents for the time he has available to take off for them, rather than expecting you to host them for so long. I think it's really rude of him and them quite frankly to expect to visit and stay when he isn't around. So I'd be making sure that your dh is making sure his parents know how to behave too rather than to placate them by expecting you to give in to everything - it's a compromise all round situation.

I hope you've got a tv in your bedroom set up so you can escape to it if you need to feed your baby - that used to be my lifeline. Not so good if you have sky and the other people in the house start to change channels though! Are your pil used to watching tv at home - will they want to be able to watch tv at your house and is that possible (or something that you could set up before they come) - might help to act as something that they could do that would take the pressure off you from having to 'entertain' them!

Good luck - I think YANBU to want to be able to set some ground rules and ensure that you don't have a miserable 5 weeks, but I do think you need to think how you can do this in the best possible way to make things run smoothly and at least initially by making sure that you don't put too many backs up!