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To think how I give birth is not DH's choice?

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AliceScarlett · 10/12/2015 19:36

Slightly redundant post as we are only TTC ATM, but we ended up discussing the birth (if that happens).
Anyway, I said I would seriously look into a ELCS, DH looked like someone had stolen his last fucking rolo and said "Oh you can't do that, it would ruin things, we won't get the lovely birth experience. It's not how people imagine it". I said um, what? It's my body my choice. He agreed, but looked so sad.

2min later I said "I think rates of PND increase when people think they have not managed to have a 'proper' birth" (I have no idea if this is true, my bad). Then he said "well why don't you not have a cesarean to make sure that doesn't happen then"!!!!Shock I ripped him a new one, and asked him why I should go through a VB when it is not what I think is right for me. He apologised, but he's made it painfully clear that if I have a ELCS he will be disappointed and "robbed" of "his" birth.

I've suffered sexual abuse in the past and a sure fire way to fuck up my mental health is to experience pain in my fanjo. I know what is best for me, but I now have this ridiculous idea that I'll be weak and upset DH.

Sorry for pointless thread, we may not even concieve but this is kind of putting me off the whole thing.

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elf0508 · 11/12/2015 11:31

There is only one hospital in our area so they couldn't have

TaliZorah · 11/12/2015 12:02

elf there should be consultants in the hospital that would do it. There is more than one surely

AliceScarlett · 11/12/2015 12:21

Thanks everyone. I'm happy to quote the NICE guidance if needed. I'm a MH professional in the NHS so I know how to increase my chances of getting what I want.

I'm more worried about tearing, and pain after the birth than pain during. If I could rule out tearing I'd go for VB most probably. But there are no guarantees with childbirth.

Just read an interesting study showing it was the amount of control women felt during birth that was the highest predictor of PTSD/PND, rather than the actual birth method. Makes sense to me.

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saranga · 11/12/2015 12:28

'lovely' birth experience? Ha ha ha ha! Labour is painful and disorienting and frightening and risky, even when you haven't suffered sexual abuse. Does he think it will be all calming lights and calm breathing? Without pain relief you'll be screaming.
Tell him it's none of his business and his job is to support you how you want. What's his reaction going to be if there's problems and you need an emergency c section? He's being a bellend.

Duckdeamon · 11/12/2015 12:51

I read a book once, something with a silly title like Blooming Birth, but actually really useful, which among other things included a big section for women who have been through sexual abuse. Will see if I can find a link to it.

hackmum · 11/12/2015 12:53

shinynewusername: "Please don't scare the OP - really unhelpful hmm A history of sexual abuse is a perfectly valid reason for performing an elective CS. "

Goodness me, what a response. I wasn't trying to scare the OP. I was trying to help her become properly informed. Imagine if she got pregnant and then found that the trust wouldn't allow her a caesarean - that would be much worse. Or do you think that sticking your fingers in your ears and going "la la la" is a sensible way to deal with potential problems?

elf0508 · 11/12/2015 13:45

Oh sorry, I didn't realise that's what you meant. I dunno, I didn't speak to a consultant. The midwives just refused, and refused more than once
Though I know a lady who was abused by a family member and is that terrified she won't ever have a baby cos she doesn't want to be touched or look at down there. She's in her 30s and knows there is no way she will ever have a baby

OP, could you cope with being examined down there? Etc. If I were you and I was that scared, I wouldn't be having a baby

TaliZorah · 11/12/2015 14:07

The midwives aren't allowed. They have to refer you to a consultant. That makes me so angry they didn't refer you, how dare they.

BillBrysonsBeard · 11/12/2015 14:12

That's sad elf. Women don't need to be examined nowadays to have a baby! I wasn't at all. There are other ways. No way should any woman not have children just because they don't want to be examined!

AliceScarlett · 11/12/2015 14:15

I'm not great with smears at all, but I'm willing to go through examinations to have a baby. It's more days/weeks of pain that really concern me.

All trusts should comply with NICE guidance, I'll be telling them that if they refuse.

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waitingforsomething · 11/12/2015 14:15

Have you explained to him why you want an elcs? Your reasons are clearly an excellent reason to want one but have you explained?
He is obviously imagining the magical euphoric experience that he has heard about somewhere but if you talk to him properly you might have more luck.

Headofthehive55 · 11/12/2015 14:39

alice perhaps he's just voicing his emotions and that's allowed I think. If you imagine one way and he has that scenario in his head he perhaps needs to come round to the fact birth might not be like that.

I think it's just like if you imagine a girl and get a boy...sometimes it takes a while to get used to the idea.

saranga every birth experience is different. I didn't have pain relief for a couple and most certainly didn't scream. In fact one baby popped out with the midwife in the room and it was only my DH that realised!

KatherineMumsnet · 11/12/2015 17:42

Hi everybody - just popping on to say: We've removed some posts that were reported to us for being upsetting and for de-railing the thread.

Iggi999 · 11/12/2015 19:20

The only examinations I had with an elcs were an early internal scan, and the insertion of the catheter during the section (which you don't feel).
No baby related need to look up there at all Smile

Cinnamon2013 · 11/12/2015 19:30

I have just booked an elcs due to birth anxiety and had no problem doing so, even though the hospital is v much behind bringing down percentage of c-sections. OP you must (really must) do what feels right for you. Do not let anyone else influence your decision.

To those earlier on the thread talking about how elcs is riskier - if you're going to say this please try and state facts and references. It is not responsible to say that unfounded.

MiscellaneousAssortment · 11/12/2015 19:59

Good. Thanks mumsnet.

OP, just for your information, after my ELCS I had the most euphoric bonding moments ever. It's not just natural birthing that happens with. It was truly the most amazing moment of my entire life, and it very oddly was as if I was completely high and I couldn't stop whispering to him, I think I might have been like that for hours Blush, just holding him, whispering sweet nothings and looking into his bleary eyes and stroking his uneven skull and spotty beaten up face (I didn't see any off that til a long time after in the photos, thought he was absolutely perfect and so so beautiful at the time!). That first night was one of unexpected nights of beauty and perfection, I didn't sleep a wink, didn't care that I was hooked up to a catheter, cannula's everywhere and had spent the early evening vomiting heartily, but it didn't matter.

What mattered was the tiny (massive actually, he was a right bruiser at 11lb 13!), beautiful (err, covered that earlier), and precious (nope, no wisecracks about that one, more precious than all the jewels in the world).

I know I was lucky in that respect, and hadn't expected it at all, but just wanted you to know that it's not a choice between the perfect euphoric natural birth and a medicalised rubbish csection. Both can be awful, both can be wonderful.

Btw, it was 'elective' but only in so much as I knew I had to have a c-section a few hours before it happened, I didn't have much of a choice, as birth suddenly shot up the risk ladder & I was told no one in the busy London teaching hospital would feel comfortable or experienced enough in this type of problem to deliver my baby naturally. They said that the only way to get the experience would be to find a consultant or midwife who'd worked in rural developing world locations... So the choice was, roam around London trying to find another hospital on a Friday evening who happened to have field experience abroad (!) or get on board with the whole csection thing.

The thing that stopped it turning into a nightmare was that the surgical team were supportive and kind, respectful of my distress and one came and held my hand whilst I sat in a corridor and howled for the lavender scented water birth I'd totally bought into.

And I trusted them to do a good job, and they did. The only weird bits were two pauses when everyone got a bit busy and silent, but afterwards I realised that they were trying not to scare me, and we're concentrating on being great doctors at that point in time. One was when DS was born but took a while to get going, and turned out to be ruddy massive therefore extra checks were needed (suspected undiagnosed gestational diabetes), but then he was brought back to me and everything was fine.

And the other moment was shortly after that when it all went a bit quiet and everyone suddenly stopped coo-ing at the baby, turned out I was bleeding rather badly and urgent surgical attention required, lost 2 pints in the end & look grey in the photos in the days after. But, at the time, I had no idea, and I'm thankful I couldn't see what was happening.

(Oh one tip for the future is never ever look at the floor, the first indication anything out of the ordinary had happened was when they were moving me into a bed and I tipped downwards for a second, and saw the blood bath all over the floor. Shudders. But... 'Natural birth' isn't pretty either, lots of gore and guts going on, and I really feel that this was the best option for me, DS, and our mental & physical health.

In short, it is what it is, and any birth can be joyous in the right situation. Lots and lots of luck Flowers

ShebaShimmyShake · 11/12/2015 20:26

Wonderful to hear about your positive experience, Miscellaneous!

Claraoswald36 · 11/12/2015 20:30

Op I think your instincts are right about this. If you think you will struggle with invasive treatment then you will. I struggle massively with things like smears because of two botched inductions. I cannot even cope with a swab.
Tell your dh to get over it.

Claraoswald36 · 11/12/2015 20:32

But also, after two emcs I bonded instantly with both my babies and had no issues with pnd or bf - only mentioning because it's sometimes cited as being more difficult post section - not preaching Grin

Princessfrog · 11/12/2015 20:49

Good to know freedom of speech is alive and well on mn.

ShebaShimmyShake · 11/12/2015 20:51

It is indeed, Princess. The poster was not arrested for what she said, and that's exactly what freedom of speech means. For further elaboration, check this out. xkcd.com/1357/

mathanxiety · 11/12/2015 21:06

I would agree with that paper stating that degree of control felt by the mother is a major factor in emotional recovery and psychological health afterwards. Makes sense to me too.

MiscellaneousAssortment · 11/12/2015 21:10

Yes to your last two posts Sheba Xmas Wink

ElfontheShelfIsWATCHINGYOUTOO · 11/12/2015 21:20

after my ELCS I had the most euphoric bonding moments ever. It's not just natural birthing that happens with

Same here and I had both ways. In fact I bonded better after ELC because I was not exhausted from labour.

ElfontheShelfIsWATCHINGYOUTOO · 11/12/2015 21:23

A history of sexual abuse is a perfectly valid reason for performing an elective CS.

Yes without a doubt.

elf

I dont know what went wrong with your care but it did go wrong and you should have been given support, I would be kicking up almightly stink