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To think how I give birth is not DH's choice?

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AliceScarlett · 10/12/2015 19:36

Slightly redundant post as we are only TTC ATM, but we ended up discussing the birth (if that happens).
Anyway, I said I would seriously look into a ELCS, DH looked like someone had stolen his last fucking rolo and said "Oh you can't do that, it would ruin things, we won't get the lovely birth experience. It's not how people imagine it". I said um, what? It's my body my choice. He agreed, but looked so sad.

2min later I said "I think rates of PND increase when people think they have not managed to have a 'proper' birth" (I have no idea if this is true, my bad). Then he said "well why don't you not have a cesarean to make sure that doesn't happen then"!!!!Shock I ripped him a new one, and asked him why I should go through a VB when it is not what I think is right for me. He apologised, but he's made it painfully clear that if I have a ELCS he will be disappointed and "robbed" of "his" birth.

I've suffered sexual abuse in the past and a sure fire way to fuck up my mental health is to experience pain in my fanjo. I know what is best for me, but I now have this ridiculous idea that I'll be weak and upset DH.

Sorry for pointless thread, we may not even concieve but this is kind of putting me off the whole thing.

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Arkhamasylum · 10/12/2015 20:55

Yep. My CS wasn't painful, during or after.

ShebaShimmyShake · 10/12/2015 20:57

I know I said these details weren't relevant, but the woman I was talking to last night said that one reason her C section was better was because her stitches healed more quickly. She wasn't sitting on them, she could air them more easily and they were in a place that is less prone to infection.

AliceScarlett · 10/12/2015 20:57

I've had so much support and good advice on this thread. Thank you so much people. It's always going to be a mixed bag of replies with the internet but overall I really appreciate people's responses and help.

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AliceScarlett · 10/12/2015 20:58

Stitches on your fanjo

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BertieBotts · 10/12/2015 20:59

It's weird. I ended up having an argument with DH about something related. We are not TTC. He said something along the lines of "Oh, no way, you are not having a home birth." I kind of spluttered and felt immediate rage and said "EXCUSE ME??!?!"

We couldn't even discuss it for ages. I felt so angry. When we eventually did, it turned out that he was feeling like I had already made all the decisions about birth and pregnancy and childrearing and such without him (because I have a DC from a previous relationship) and he'd been looking forward to researching and discussing and deciding things with me, and he felt a little hurt to have his input outright rejected and told his opinion didn't matter.

I actually can't - I mean there are still SO many things wrong with this whole reasoning, firstly that's exactly what HE was doing to me (cutting off an option that I might or might not have wanted to explore), secondly no, this is not a 50/50 decision. Uh, you feel left out of something which is going to happen to my body, WTF? And WOAH. Projection, much? Because it's NOT like I was planning to exclude him from all decision making etc, it's just that one decision I feel is totally up to the woman, since it's her body. (For context, perhaps I had alluded to having made other decisions already, like breastfeeding since it worked for me before)

But on the other hand, sometimes I suppose the whole pregnancy and birth thing can be a bit elusive for the man and I can understand them feeling left out, even though it's a bit infuriating because childbirth isn't exactly a picnic. DH later explained that he didn't expect to have veto power, but he wanted to feel like he was included in the decision or at least the discussion. And, you know, of course I would have included him in the discussion. It was the flat out "No you aren't having a home birth" (which, TBH, I don't even think that I would want, but hell, it's nice to have the option!) which had given me the absolute rage. Include in discussion: Yes. Let him put across strong opinion and/or convincing argument which includes him being stressed out because he's frightened that I might have complications: Fine. But him having absolute veto power, no, I just can't get on board with that. It's controlling, and he's not a controlling person, which is why it threw me so hard.

Hmm. I actually thought that we had solved this, because we'd talked and he'd explained the feeling left out thing, and wanting to be discussed with and I'd said of course yes discussion, and I'd also admitted that I wasn't overly keen on having a home birth if we were here in Germany anyway. But I got angry at him again when he brought it up a few months ago and I've got angry again typing out this post, so I suppose that it's not something we have actually resolved at all.

I think it can be a bit of an unconsciously sexist thing too - men really don't like it when you don't want to give them 50:50 input (or higher) on something because they are so used to it being the case and want to prove that they are fair, but I really think that for birth, breastfeeding, birth control etc, ie, things which happen to your body, of course they can express their preferences and thoughts, but the final decision is YOURS and veto power is YOURS. But sometimes men don't like that even though (in my mind) it is actually fair and logical for it to be like that. They say things like "Well if you didn't want me to get a vasectomy, I wouldn't" and don't seem to understand that it's not the same. And I think that is what it is - a lack of understanding.

Will be reading with interest.

pippinsfriend · 10/12/2015 21:00

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witsender · 10/12/2015 21:03

After an episiotomy and following stitches with #1, and a severe 3rd deg tear and 2.5l blood loss with #2 I can categorically say that my child births aren't beautiful. Dramatic, maybe! But I have no regrets, and have healed. So a good result I think, and what I would hope for for others.

witsender · 10/12/2015 21:04

The only bitchy comment was yours TBH, and Gladys maybe.

pippinsfriend · 10/12/2015 21:05

Which part was bitchy witsender ?

ThisisMrsNicolaHicklin · 10/12/2015 21:05

My CS was a breeze to recover from compared to my VB. Its all a big lottery really.

vic1981 · 10/12/2015 21:05

Wow, an 8 foot high wall?! Pretty much a world record breaking high jump then.

tethersend · 10/12/2015 21:06

As a seasoned double ELCSer who has never even felt so much as a contraction , I have nothing useful to add.

But looked like someone had stolen his last fucking rolo made me laugh like a drain.

NewLife4Me · 10/12/2015 21:07

Does he know anything about giving birth.
dh read every book going, as didn't have internet when we first started.
He was more for gaining knowledge than I was.
Sounds like your dh needs educating and is coming out with crap as he really has no idea.
Not a ltb situation, surely.

pippinsfriend · 10/12/2015 21:12

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pippinsfriend · 10/12/2015 21:13

from a bar* of soap

BertieBotts · 10/12/2015 21:13

And I think men can romanticise birth a bit, especially if they have always wanted children. I know that I do, in some ways, feel privileged to be able to experience pregnancy and childbirth and I am glad that I've had the experience. I think I would also feel a bit disappointed to be a man and to only be able to experience it second hand.

But that doesn't negate the fact that it is a dangerous, painful and draining process however you go about it. Just because it's something that I have (somewhat) the choice to experience and he doesn't have a chance, doesn't mean he gets to hijack my experience of it and splurt his plans all over it (speaking for you too, OP, and anybody else whose partner is overenthusiastic re birth plans.) I need him to be there and yes of course, I very very much want him to be an active part of things if and when it happens, but I also need to be in control of things and concentrating on the safe delivery of the baby and my own strength/mental health/etc, not the whims and experiences of somebody else, whoever that might be.

Stimpack · 10/12/2015 21:13

Pippin how do you know that the rapists had HIV?

vic1981 · 10/12/2015 21:15

I do not think you are someone that I would ever want to meet, Pippin.

pippinsfriend · 10/12/2015 21:17

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goodnightdarthvader1 · 10/12/2015 21:18

Pippin, shockingly, this that isn't about you. I know, right?! Something that's not about you. Weird.

Also, almost getting raped is nothing like actually being raped, so move along.

pippinsfriend · 10/12/2015 21:19

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Focusfocus · 10/12/2015 21:19

pippin I'm curious as to why it was necessary in your account to specify that you were assaulted by "black African men". Do enlighten us.

As it stands, whether or not pippin agrees with ELCS has no bearing on anything. It's like that Smile

pippinsfriend · 10/12/2015 21:22

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pippinsfriend · 10/12/2015 21:23

Focus statistics foremost and I do not stand for PC.