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AIBU?

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To find ex SILs behaviour spoilt and passive aggressive

318 replies

beltedmaisy · 27/11/2015 13:45

My DB works very hard and as ex SIL has no living family a lot of the childcare for their DS falls to our side, this is fine we are happy to have him and don't charge SIL. There has never been any animosity.

SIL has always bought birthday gifts for our family from DS and herself presumably by way of thanks for our help.

She has just been to our house dropping off Santa presents for DN as we have more room to hide them until Christmas eve and she also slipped us a gift set and asked if we could wrap it with DN and give it to him for him to give to her Christmas morning Hmm when questioned further she explained how he'd been a bit upset on her birthday which was a few weeks ago when his teacher asked if mummy had gotten anything nice.

AIBU to think it's not our responsibility, we're doing more than enough as it is and that the last thing a 5 year old is thinking about is a gift set for his mother? It's left a really bad taste in my mouth and makes ex SIL come across very passive aggressive!

OP posts:
Bambooshoots14 · 27/11/2015 17:59

Yabvu... Or reverse?!

tillytown · 27/11/2015 18:00

You sound horrible, I'm glad you're not my sil

sleeponeday · 27/11/2015 18:13

I'm afraid I have to agree - she bought something cheap and easy so her 5 year old feels he's giving her something. She hasn't asked you to buy it, she's expressed gratitude for childcare, she's made completely normal comments and you are all side-eyeing her and finding offence.

You aren't doing her a favour in having your DN. You are doing your brother a favour. Unless you somehow see the child as hers and not his, but I suspect anyone else implying that, or her behaving in that manner over contact, would wind you up to an extreme extent.

I'm sorry for her, in all honesty. She clearly thinks she has a positive and warm relationship with her child's family, and you are all quietly bitching about her behind her back. I'm sure she can be annoying sometimes, all of us are, but it sounds a little as if you all jump on any excuse to resent her.

She's not being a martyr. And a mother who is "immensely protective" of her children when someone else with their own complex relationship makes innocuous comments needs to get over herself, not be enabled in her silliness. Your mother is not coming across well in your presentation of her either, really.

It all sounds a bit sad. So many people I know see little of the kids after a split because the ex ensures that. Yours is inclusive, appreciative and nurtures the relationship, and you look for reasons to be offended? I don't get it.

And the wrapped gift thing is totally normal. My mother (a single parent without outside help like this) did it with friends of ours.

thelouise · 27/11/2015 18:16

My parents divorced when I was fairly young. My father, much like your DB, was far too busy (!) to help me source a present for my mum. Fortunately, my mum's sister stepped in, so I got the joy of feeling grown up and giving my mum a present that I had got "all by myself". Your exSIL was doing it for her son, so the only person you'd be upsetting is your own nephew.

winewolfhowls · 27/11/2015 18:20

I feel Sad to think she has nooone to buy her a present

WhereYouLeftIt · 27/11/2015 18:21

Oh lordy, where to start with this one? Well, by saying that yes YABU and that I hope your Ex-SIL has good friends, given that she has no living blood relatives and her ex-husband and his family are so cold towards her Sad.

SO let's look at what you wrote OP:

"My DB works very hard and as ex SIL has no living family a lot of the childcare for their DS falls to our side, this is fine we are happy to have him and don't charge SIL. There has never been any animosity."
The word 'charge' jumped out at me screaming WTF. You said that as if you though that you were being so good not to. Why would you charge your SIL for having your nephew? She's said "I'm really sorry I did try to organise my working days to be on DB days off" but if your brother prioritises working over caring for (or even just spending time with) his son, then either she has to do it all or the rest of your nephew's family (you) need to step up to do his share. Please note, in this you are assisting your brother, not ex-SIL. Or do you think she should not work at all, so that when her son is grown up and maintenance stops she should live in total penury?

"he'd been a bit upset on her birthday which was a few weeks ago when his teacher asked if mummy had gotten anything nice. "
Yep, I can see that a nice child would be upset in those circumstances. When my DS was little, I used to buy a present for DH that DS could give to him. I didn't do this for DH (he was getting a present from me anyway) - I did it for DS, so that he could enjoy giving. Would it kill your brother to do this for his son? Given that you have stated there "has never been any animosity" ? Or were you talking just about yourself and there is animosity on your brother's part?

"SIL has always bought birthday gifts for our family from DS and herself presumably by way of thanks for our help."
Or maybe because you are the birth family of her son, and she sees it as a nice thing to do. Or because it's a social convention. Or she's trying to teach her son to be a generous and loving person. NOT as payment. (I'm seeing a bit if a theme here - that doing things for other people should involve a return.)

"AIBU to think it's not our responsibility, we're doing more than enough as it is and that the last thing a 5 year old is thinking about is a gift set for his mother? It's left a really bad taste in my mouth and makes ex SIL come across very passive aggressive!"
Strictly speaking it is not your responsibility, it is his father's; but he seems to take no responsibility? His mother is making sure her son will have the pleasure of giving her a present at Christmas, because she knows he was upset when he realised he'd not given her a birthday present. Children DO think about such things, but at 5 he can't plan ahead and get presents in; his father should be dealing with this, but obviously he doesn't so she's taking care of it. There is nothing passive-aggressive about this, she is simply making sure her son will be happy. As for "I would buy something if he had asked" well he's 5, he probably wouldn't think to ask until he was going to bed on Christmas Eve. He's 5! Should the responsibilty be his, at 5? Or should it rest with the adults? oh, and if you think you're doing .more than enough' - and that's a phrase that tends to be said whilst looking down one's nose - take it up with your brother, because he's the one that should be doing it in the first place.

You said that "she makes a bigger deal of [birthdays] than we do". Have you considered that you might be the ones out of step with the world here, rather than her? I don't make a big deal of birthdays but it doesn't stop me being aware of how big a deal they are to most children. And maybe that's why your ex-SIL makes a bigger deal of them, for your nephew. Or maybe they just are important milestones to her. Whatever, you are aware of their importance to her. Being so unimportant to you, and presumably your brother too, her birthday went un-noted and un-celebrated, and when your nephew realised this he felt sad, as children do. In the nicest possible way, get over yourself and stop turning your chagrin at yourselves forgetting her birthday against her and accusing her of having a PA dig at you. She's isolated enough as it is, you don't need to heap more troubles at her door.

"Just to point out, DB is up to his neck with work at the moment and I know she receives very generous maintenance from him"
There's that recurring motif again, that the only value that counts is monetary value. And what if your brother is up to his neck with work? In what way does that absolve him of responsibility to his son? His 5 year old son?

"Also last week my DM asked when we were needed again and she named the day and said I'm really sorry I did try to organise my working days to be on DB days off, but you know how that goes. My DM is fiercely protective over all her sons and ex SIL knows a remark like that wouldn't go down well but of course DM said nothing as she doesn't like to rock the boat."
WTF? What can you mean by 'fiercely protective'? SIL is being apologetic about asking for assistance, explaining that she tried to avoid it but couldn't because your brother abdicated responsibility to care for his own son and dumped it on the rest of his family again. So by my reading, your mother thinks the sun shines out of her son's arse and won't hear a word against him no matter how deserved? This is exactly how arse-shining sons end up thinking they can do as they damn well please and to hell with the rest of you particularly their wives Angry.

So OP, just on your own words, you have made your family look like a bunch of pricks.

My sympathies are with the ex-SIL here.

OhBigHairyBollocks · 27/11/2015 18:27

YABVVVVVVU

Gladysandtheflathamsandwich · 27/11/2015 18:28

Wow.

I really hope she finds out what a bunch of two faced bitches she is leaving her child with, and then tells you all to fuck off!

HackAttack · 27/11/2015 18:30

OP now its been made pretty clear to you that you have been a dick, why don't you and your brother buy something nice in addition to the set, let DN help choose and redeem yourselves a bit? Maybe remember she is the mother of your niece and this is a season for caring for others?

atticusclaw2 · 27/11/2015 18:36

When I was younger we used to go to a local shopping centre to buy presents for our parents (using money they given us as "pocket money"). It was a major part of Christmas. One year my DSis bought my DF a shaving stick thing from Boots to stop him bleeding if he cut himself. It cost about 75p. She was about 4 or 5 and she was so excited on Christmas morning, not because Father Christmas might have left her presents but to see how much my DF would love his shave stick. She made him open it before anyone else could open anything. Of course for him it was the best gift anyone had ever bought him and he told her so.

(DF has of course had a shave stick for Christmas every year since Grin)

OP YABU - but I think you know that by now.

MrsKoala · 27/11/2015 18:37

Imagine how much more depressing this thread would be if there were posters agreeing with the OP? As it is i am finding it quite heart warming that everyone is pointing out the decent way to behave. You always get one odd person who thinks of every perceived slight possible (my Nan was the queen of this and so is my Aunt) so that's expected, but it's way worse when others agree and validate their mean spirited perceptions.

I am having warm fuzzy thoughts at about 200 MNers sending exSIL secret santa presents. 'Ahhh yes exSIL, i put a post on MN about you and it backfired spectacularly and now you have lots of randoms wishing you a happy xmas'. Grin

BogusCatAndTheFuzz · 27/11/2015 18:40

What NickNack said as she said it so well

Twirlywoooo · 27/11/2015 18:48

YABU! I would hope you would have realised that by now. Your 'db' should be the one buying his ex a present from their child. I also want to secret Santa the SIL.

This has to a first, a unanimous Yes, yes you are being unreasonable, and mean to boot.

emotionsecho · 27/11/2015 18:56

I've read and re-read the OP's opening post and subsequent updates and cannot see where the exSIL is being unreasonable in any way, shape or form, I have the utmost sympathy for her in fact. The OP, her DB and DM on the other hand are so far into the unreasonable pit they will need a JCB to dig themselves out.

TheWoodenSpoonOfMischief · 27/11/2015 18:57

I'm not going to add to the YABU's but I really hope your db, you and dm have hearts kind enough to buy her presents and a better present for your dn to give her.
And the same on Mother's Day and her birthday.

IJustLostTheGame · 27/11/2015 19:04

Poor SIL.
Her ex prioritises work over his child
She's clearly trying hard to keep her child in contact with their family.
Nobody can be arsed to even remember her birthday
She must be feeling really down.

I hope you buy SIL something really thought about for Christmas.

Foslady · 27/11/2015 19:05

Stunned. As someone who has been in your SIL's position I take my hat off to her . I can guarentee she's working harder than your brother - the only difference is she doesn't get paid for the majority, only in hugs and love from her son. You have no idea of her financial situation, or even if she is making sure her son doesn't grow up thinking money equates love.

I hope you learn from this thread

Euripidesralph · 27/11/2015 19:10

Sorry but another vote for SIL

You appear to have gone out of your way to take offence at anything you can and tried to justify it by intimating there is an attitude or history here that contextualises it.... There clearly isn't

Honestly you've made you and your dm look a bit vile

Taking offence at shadows, judging by money, being snarky behind her back.... Ten guesses the family had an impact on the marriage breakup

Just try to channel a nicer person suck it up and wrap the present and attempt to do so without looking like your sucking a lemon

FantasticButtocks · 27/11/2015 19:11

Here's a solution that would work well for everyone concerned - have a word with your brother and tell him his son needs to buy his mother a Christmas present and that it is his duty as a father to help his son do this. Job done.

greeneyedgirl34 · 27/11/2015 19:17

I unfortunately know only too well what ex in laws can be like. You and your mother remind me of my exes family.
Mean and spiteful. This thread has made me cry, I cannot for the life of me figure out, how you could be so callous and mean. She has no family, she got the gift, all you had to do was wrap it. But instead you decided to come on here and bitch about the mother of your dn.

I would love to send her a gift too. She sounds like a lovely lady. X

ofallthenerve · 27/11/2015 19:28

*I cannot for the life of me figure out, how you could be so callous and mean. She has no family, she got the gift, all you had to do was wrap it. But instead you decided to come on here and bitch about the mother of your dn.

I would love to send her a gift too. She sounds like a lovely lady. X*

^^this really. YAB extremely U and v unkind.

Pancakeflipper · 27/11/2015 19:29

Wow. She might be irritating, you might not like how she lives her life but to begrudge and make out she's a martyr over buying a present for her young son to hand to her at Christmas is just so sad.

Paddingtonsmarmaladesandwiches · 27/11/2015 19:42

I don't think I really need me to say how YABVVVVU. This is so sad. I hope it's a reverse.

DidIsaythatoutloud1 · 27/11/2015 20:09

Yabvvu. we don't charge her for childcare. I should bloody think not. She's your ExSIL, that doesn't make him your ex DN or your DB's ex DS. You and your DM sound lovely Hmm. Just like my ex ILS who have decided their DCGs are also exes now

GingerIvy · 27/11/2015 20:16

The comment "you know how that goes" regarding her work schedule could easily mean that her work isn't very flexible about what days she works.

This whole "ex" thing is sad. My ex's family have nothing to do with our dcs now that we're exes. It's like they don't exist. Not that ex is much better in that regard. No birthday cards, no presents, no visits, no phone calls. Nothing. The moment we separated, it's like our dcs ceased to exist for them. So sad as the dcs don't understand it at all.