To think that this is out of order, and there's no shame in being cis

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NC as potentially outing.

DD is 17 and gay. She's very active in local LGBT societies and organisations and has campaigned against homophobic bullying in her school. Today she received this email from one of the organisations she's involved with, publicising an event for trans writers.

What's wrong with being cis ffs?! DD has herself been on the receiving end of abuse in the past for being 'transphobic', simply because she's challenged the anti cis opinion which she encounters regularly. This despite the fact that she campaigns for equality and has done since she came out aged 14. She's seriously considering giving up the work she does with various groups because of this attitude, which is all too common. She's even received death threats on Twitter because she's 'evil' enough to think that equality should be just that, and everyone should simply respect everyone else.

I'm livid, she's livid, are we BU?

Missing the point here completely but it doesn't even rhyme!

Ubik the organisation who sent this aren't teenagers but fully grown adults who should know better.

But what does the word 'cis' originate from?
I've never heard or seen it used anywhere

Yanbu, women have to respect the rights of everyone but we clearly have no rights of our own. Fwiw i'm not a cis woman, I am a woman

It sounds like maybe a lot of people who are used to being marginalised or 'othered' and now, talking and gathering together they're having a little bit of fun with not being the minority for once - they're 'othering' someone else. I wouldn't hold this particular thing against them, I think your past experiences may be affecting your judgement in this specific instance.

It come from chemistry pink-trans means opposite and cis means on the same side of when you're talking about isomers.

I assumed it was teenagers/young people too.

"Attend this or be cis" would have been catchier, I think.

Cis is a made up load of crap, women are women

"Cis" is Latin for "on this side" - it's the opposite of "trans" which means "on the other side." It's used to describe someone who identifies with the same gender as their biological sex.

What SumThucker said. I had never heard of it until MN then suddenly it's everywhere.

I didn't realise I needed to click on the picture.... Well clearly I'm not the sharpest this evening, but if you believe in equality you don't do anyone else down. Perhaps they thought it was amusing?

Life is too short for this kind of identity politics rubbish. If people seek to divide society up into multiple groups, each with competing claims of injustice and victimhood, an outcome along these lines will naturally follow.

A: I'm disabled; indulge my needs please.
B: Tough, I'm homosexual; listen to me first.
C: No, no...I'm black; my needs are greatest.
D: Actually, no...I'm a woman.
E: Don't you oppress me - I'm a man in a woman's body.
F: Well, I'm a refugee....

And so on.

If I'm a black, homosexual, disabled refugee woman in a man's body, do I win?

I've never heard of cis before, but I don't want or need to be called a 'cis-woman', just 'woman' will do fine thanks.

What does CIS stand for or is it a word in its own right? Why am I being given yet another label? Who made it up?

Sorry cross-post.

Cis doesn't mean heterosexual. It means being one sex and also feeling that your gender identity matches that sex. Basically, it's a meaningless concept. Gender identity is socially constructed and only becomes a thing for people whose gender identity doesn't match their sex. It doesn't make gender identity any more meaningful of a concept.

Cis is a flawed concept but sadly you can't challenge it within trans orthodoxy without being accused of being a terf. Send your daughter to read gendertrender, snowflakeespecial and some trans lady blogs for an alternative perspective to the one she will be getting from her trans ally circle.

Nb no I am not transphobic. But I am gender critical. They are not mutually exclusive.

being a cis woman myself, id take that to mean that the event was for genderqueer people exclusively, rather than it being an insult to cispeople.

Whatever anyone says, to be cis, is to be the dominant group, and we're/ you're not about to start being discriminated against in any meaningful sense of the word, so I wouldnt worry about it

Cis is from chemistry and means on the side of. I am a woman, and a feminist, and as such am gender critical and rejecting. I would tell them to fuck off calling me cis because that I am not. I am not on the side of feminine gender and never will be. Having said that, your daughter may consider herself cis and feel there's nothing wrong with that, and as such should still tell them to fuck off

I would say this meets the definition that comedy should punch up: an activity for people who are a marginalised group has a very mildly humorous pop at a privileged group.

I believe your outrage is misplaced.

Cis comes from Latin for 'on the side'. Cis-trans isomerism occurs in chemistry.

This means there are two forms of the same chemical, but with two different side-chains either side of a carbon-carbon double bond.

The 'cis' isomer has the two side chains on the same side of the molecule, the 'trans' isomer has the two side-chains on opposite sides or 'crossing' the molecule. Trans means cross.

Completely agree with branleuse and pocketsaviour. Worrying about this is essentially the equivalent of Katie Hopkins setting up a "society for white lawyers" (because there's a "society for black lawyers" so clearly it's racist if it doesn't go the other way).

Oh and cis here is being used as an insult IMO

Thank you!
chemistry was a mystery to me