To think that this is out of order, and there's no shame in being cis

[JellyKnockers]

NC as potentially outing.

DD is 17 and gay. She's very active in local LGBT societies and organisations and has campaigned against homophobic bullying in her school. Today she received this email from one of the organisations she's involved with, publicising an event for trans writers.

What's wrong with being cis ffs?! DD has herself been on the receiving end of abuse in the past for being 'transphobic', simply because she's challenged the anti cis opinion which she encounters regularly. This despite the fact that she campaigns for equality and has done since she came out aged 14. She's seriously considering giving up the work she does with various groups because of this attitude, which is all too common. She's even received death threats on Twitter because she's 'evil' enough to think that equality should be just that, and everyone should simply respect everyone else.

I'm livid, she's livid, are we BU?

Jellyknockers, your DD sounds great.

I'm a (rather older) lesbian and on a trans thread earlier today I put out a heartfelt plea for posters to stop using LGBT . Most of the organisations which are meant to support lesbians are throwing us under the trans bus.

Ask your DD if she's heard of the cotton ceiling. If not I recommend she Googles it. Quite apart from the whole Cis crap, there are transactivist "lesbians" on Twitter trying to make lesbians feel guilty for not being interested in their ladydicks. And then I'd suggest she left them to get on with it tbh. She'd be very welcome on the MN feminist boards.

Whoever wrote that note was being a twerp. Everybody should be happy with being whatever they are and not be put down because of it.

Wow, this thread is fascinating. Thank you everyone for your comments.

*Trans activists and their allies really don't like being challenged. See here:

terfisaslur.com*

Tribble and Edeline, two of the posters there were responsible for some of the threats made against DD. I was called a 'fucking thick transphobic bitch who needs to die' by one of them when I commented on what they were saying. I was also lectured on my cis privilege.

Bubs exactly.

ChiefClerk she has tweeted the organisation with a screencap of the comment and taken them to task about it, but tbh I think she's edging further and further away from all of it. Her attitude it why bother, when all she gets is grief. Her idea of a decent society is one where labels don't exist whatsoever - people just 'are', and their sexuality/genitals/gender are not worthy of comment in the slightest. Unfortunately, there's an ever increasing number of people who, rather than wishing to destroy labels, just want to create more and more and more of them. DD believes, and I tend to agree with her, that that's a massive backward step.

Empress thank you, I'll pass that on to her

Based on the retort to your comment, from them; your dd must step away from them. You can't have conversations with people like that. And they are unpleasant to be around

Sad, that she is driven away though

Good for her It takes guts to stand up for your idea when you are in the minority (as I'm sure she knows), especially when you gets the sort of grief you get for voicing these sort of views. I agree with you both that it's a step backwards

It is totally a step backwards, I remember being a teen and having a huge phase where for about five years I dressed and looked like a boy on and and off. I didn't want to be a boy, just felt really detached from my body and didn't want anything to do with most of the stuff my peers were doing. Nowadays, feel reasonably the same but have accepted my body. If a teen nowadays were to do the same, I expect there'd be a label for it. I was just left to it, I wonder why others aren't left to just be who they are without the pressure of conforming to a particular subset.