to think if you have a penis, you do not belong in a woman's prison

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There is to be an appeal tomorrow, at Bristol Crown Court, regarding the decision to send violent criminal Tara Hudson, who works as a transsexual prostitute (still has a penis, as 80% of transsexuals do), to male prison. Tara wants to go to a female prison.

AIBU to think that if you have a penis, you should go to male prison?

People are arguing that Tara is at risk of sexual assault, but Tara is not unique in this - lots of (non transgender) men are vulnerable, and the prison service has a responsibility to protect them.

I may be being dense here, but if Tara's clients are men, why would she be a sexual risk to female prisoners?

She's not interested in women sexually, is she?

I cant believe you compared gary glitter to tara why did you say that ?

Should those who are non binary get to choose no prison at all?

We don't segregate prisons on gender. We do it on sex.

Tara should go in a male prison and be in a single cell. Not fair to put a violent, biologically male person in with vulnerable women.
Also, I'm assuming it's not her first violent offence, due to her getting a prison sentence?
It must be hard for her, but prisons are segregated by sex for a reason. What someone says their gender is is not relevant in these kind of situations.
We need to be sensible here and protect women.

Please can someone explain to me the difference between sex and gender?

Very short and inaccurate answer:

Sex = biology/genitals/chromosomes etc
Gender = which sex stereotypes you feel you identify with most. Gender is very important to transexuals, feminists see it as an oppressive societal construct to be abolished.

"I've been following her campaign and she is in her own cell and locked up 23 hours a day but she is mixing during the remaining hour and she is being subjected to significant and frightening harassment. "

How do we know this to be true? Some of the statements in her campaign are demonstrably lies. Again, we are talking about someone who is trying to manipulate their way into a women's prison.

"One instance of common assault does not make her a risk to others in general - although no, it's not great either. Common assault can be, for example, throwing an object at someone and missing. "

The starting point for sentencing for common assault is not prison. Given that she pleaded guilty, this must have been a very serious assault, or she must have a history of violence, or both.

robinofsherwood, I broadly agree with you, but then I also think there may be many men who for various reasons are very vulnerable and shouldn't be in a violent prison where they will be subject to harassment.

Maybe the issues are vulnerable people being in prison at all, custodial sentences for minor crimes, and prisons being places of violence rather than a transgender issue per se.

attheendoftheday are you transgender or know someone who is?

Custodial sentences for minor crimes is an issue that disproportionately affects women.

Sex is biologically defined, gender is self-defined.

Also, the problem is that if Tara is allowed into a women's prison, then presumably that will set a precedent in law? So even in Tara is a lovely gentle person, the next bloke who comes along with a similar complaint might not be. Best to keep male and female prisoners separate, for safety reasons.

"I cant believe you compared gary glitter to tara why did you say that ?"

It was an example of the slippery slope of allowing offenders to pick and choose where they go to prison.

I could is that relevant? No, I'm not transgender. I do know people who are (as I suspect do most people without realising). I'm just a big believer in respecting human rights.

nannyogg sex relates to biology ie, chromosomes ,(male = xy chromosomes, female = xx chromosomes) , different reproductive filunctions, etc.
Gender = the state of being male or female, typically referring to social and cultural differences.

if the same situation occurred with a Trans man do you think they would want to be in a male rather than a female prison? If Jack Monroe was sentenced would they choose a male prison?

I bet not because the fear of violence comes from men and all people would feel safer amongst women regardless of gender orientation.

Women who as usual are expected to accommodate the needs of others at risk to themselves. Fuck that.

YANBU

Male and female refers to biological sex. Not to gender.

Gender is the set of beliefs (usually culturally and socially determined) about what a man looks/behaves like, what a woman looks/behaves like, what masculinity is, what femininity is.

Feminists believe gender to be an oppressive construct rooted in women's reproductive capabilities.

But it's not as if Tara is a man who's just pretending to be a woman to get an easy ride in prison. Plenty of evidence she is genuinely living as a woman.

YANBU

I'm just a big believer in respecting human rights.

What about the human rights of female prisoners to have an appropriately segregated space? Don't they matter? Or do women's rights get pushed to the back of the queue, as usual.

Sex = male/famale

Gender = masculine/feminine/neuter related to grammar. or a euphemism when afraid to utter the sex-word, primarily American.

She's hardly genuinely living as a woman if she's making a living off her penis, is she?

Sorry to be blunt, but come on.

heartShapedBox her AdultWork profile says she fancies women as well as men, and has a '7-inch surprise'

Transgender to me means:

Keeping this simple, so I will choose a person being born as a girl.

A boy being born looking like a girl, they truly believe they are born in the wrong body and are sexually attracted to boys.

Which is at odds with her mum's assertion that she has a "vestigial penis"...