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To think 'in your face Osborne?'

493 replies

Littlefluffyclouds81 · 26/10/2015 20:50

I'm not. I know I'm not. I'm personally going to have a glass of wine and celebrate there being a significant amount of egg on the Tories' faces.

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UnderTheGreenwoodTree · 29/10/2015 22:14

The sheer spite of some posters leaves me aghast. I can't believe people can be so nasty - but let's think for a moment - if they can be that spiteful on here, to a poster like Dawndonna - then there must be something truly, deeply unhappy about their lives.

Thanks to DawnDonna and her DD.

HelenaDove · 29/10/2015 22:16

Dawndonna your DD is a lovely person like yourself Thanks

MissMarpleCat · 29/10/2015 22:17

Dark by name and dark by nature eh.....

Darvany · 29/10/2015 22:46

Bloody hell Dark you are a nasty piece of work.

Dawndonna and DD Thanks

By the way, I wouldn't usually be so rude as to comment but,

Darkbehindthecurtain Fri 16-Oct-15 22:14:14
Do you like this (Madrigal) as a girls' name, or is it to out there?

It's too out there.

Advanced search is a double-edged sword.

sugar21 · 29/10/2015 22:48

Grin oh I do love Karma

DraculasDixieNormas · 29/10/2015 22:56

I didn't even have to as it, that ridiculousness is hard to forget along with other goady shite

shedoop · 30/10/2015 00:10

I have a lovely house owned outright and it's worth a fair amount due to being in central London. I live entirely on disability and carer benefits/tax credits due to caring for my disabled DS and I'm not ashamed of living where I do or enjoying my home. My son and I will never have the opportunity to earn more due to our disabilities but that's no reason why we shouldn't have a decent life, we didn't ask to be disabled and as said above, I am saving the state a small fortune in caring for DS.

Luckily we can manage on the amount we get, but that's only because the disabilities are so severe that getting DLA and PIP and getting into the ESA support group has been pretty much automatic. The tax credits changes wouldn't have affected me because my only taxable income is carers allowance, but I know a lot of families who work part time due to caring for a disabled family member and they would have been hit hard and not be in a position to increase their hours.

ssd · 30/10/2015 08:01

Darkbehindthecurtain Fri 16-Oct-15 22:14:14
Do you like this (Madrigal) as a girls' name, or is it to out there?

It's too out there.

and its a fucking awful name

sunshield · 30/10/2015 08:02

shepdoop and Dawndonna bring up an important point about why we should be careful when talking about IHT.

Both Shepdog and Downdonna might be 'Asset' rich but are obviously cash poor . This needs to remembered :. What happens to both of their offspring when they die, Answer a potential large tax demand for The offspring who have no means to pay the demand or opportunity to find well paid carrers will be forced to sell the property. The consequence of which means the children living on the released 'equity' of the house with little or no help from the state.

  1. Why should the offspring have to lose their home!
  1. We are not talking 'Mansions' here just a comfortable home for people (regardless of disabilty)

It is therefore only fair that IHT kicks in at a realistic value of house prices, not at some imagined ammount that makes someone Rich', when in reality that amount does not buy a home.

MissHooliesCardigan · 30/10/2015 08:22

Dark Your comments on this thread are about the most spectacularly nasty thing I've read on MN and the competition is pretty fierce.
Dawndonna you always come across as so intelligent, eloquent and compassionate and I have so much admiration for you. I've never needed to claim TCs but I fully acknowledge that a lot of that is down to good fortune eg neither DH, I or the DCs have health problems or disabilities and we were lucky to buy a house at the right time. I read a few years ago that if every carer in the UK refused to do it anymore and the state had to step in, it would cost approx £20 billion per year. People like Dawn should get more benefits IMO.

merrymouse · 30/10/2015 08:36

I note that dark chose not to comment on the fact that tax credits are enabling people to do the jobs that enable society to function.

It's all fun and games having a compassion deficit, until it comes back and bites you on the bum!

Alfieisnoisy · 30/10/2015 08:40

I wonder about anybody who is disappointed about the delay of some families losing £100-200 a month.

Many are families already struggling.

I am delighted there is a delay while the impact on those families is looked at again,

£100-200 a month is nothing to the likes of Gideon and Shiny Dave. For the poorest it is heating the home, putting proper food on the table and paying the bills.

bodenbiscuit · 30/10/2015 08:45

Quite, Alfieisnoisy. I can't believe how selfish some people are that they actually don't care about the real impact these changes will have on people's lives.

MissMarpleCat · 30/10/2015 11:15

Also, posters like Dawn (and her dd) care about other people too. I'd love to meet her and have a good chat over Brew.
I hope she's not been put off from posting here, come back Dawn!

longtimelurker101 · 30/10/2015 11:28

Oh gosh, caught up on the thread I've just read Dark's posts, a disgusting piece of work you are love, and one with very little understanding of economics.

Something like 95 % of people in the UK will be in tax deficit by the time they die, which means any quotes of "I'm paying for it" are utter bollocks, so no point you ever make is valid regarding this. Secondly, this only applies to tangible benefits you recieved yourself, so your education, not your children's, your health care not that of your parents, children etc etc, meaning its your point is even more fatuous.

Oh and the name Madrigal translates from the old celtic as: "I have a pretentious mother."

MoriartyIsMyAngel · 30/10/2015 11:35

Any updates on Gideon's threat to push the cuts through anyway? He was like a petulant schoolboy at Chancellors questions, it's sickening. Millions of people have to just wait and see if he's going to plunge them into poverty or not. One thing I hate about the Tories is that there's no transparency, no 'We might do this.' They just drop things on us in their own time. Why won't he discuss the results of his 'listening'? I have to suspect it's because there are no results.

jellybeans · 30/10/2015 11:41

I seem to have missed some nasty posts (deleted?). But sadly have noticed a pattern in some (Tory) voters.

To give an example, For some people on low middle wages, their income can be similar to those on much lower but topped up with tax credits. And sometimes those lower paid think those on eg £30-35K are loaded when actually after tax they are about the same a month if they have 3-4 children due to higher tax credits/passport benefits for the low earner.

Anyway, so for me I would prefer it to be the case that this ocurrs to make sure everyone has a reasonable standard of living. Even if it means we are no better off than if we switched to being on min wage. I would prefer those 'lower' on the income scale to be topped up because in my view everyone should have a reasonable quality of life

However, for some people they resent this. They want to see those lower down the income scale as being worse off than them. See them have less disposable income and suffer just that little bit so they feel they 'have more'. Similar comments may be 'I work full time, why should they work p/t or SAH' etc. I hear it all the time. This view seems to be the undercurrent of the Tory tax cut divide and rule. Everyone I have heard state it has that type of opinion.

jellybeans · 30/10/2015 11:42

P.s anyone who resents those on carers or disability getting tax credits/help is truly a sick person.

bodenbiscuit · 30/10/2015 11:56

You have hit the nail on the head, jellybean. It's all to do with some small minded people enjoying looking down on others.

longtimelurker101 · 30/10/2015 11:59

The thing about seeing lower down the income scale worse off is this reverse politics of envy the tories and their press have engineered, which is really a way of keeping the general public from noticing that the richest have got richer by 30% since the 2008 crash, whilst everyone else has suffered lower living standards since.

JoffreyBaratheon · 30/10/2015 12:04

I get Carers' Allowance when my son is home from uni, and I gave up a career where frankly I could earn double a week's Carers Allowance in a single day, if I could have worked. Even though my son is now at uni (which would have seemed an impossible dream when he was a kid even a teenager), I can't return to my old profession as I am hopelessly out of date, can get no references, and there is no mechanism for re-training or helping carers return to the jobs they were maybe expensively trained for, and experienced in but had to give up when a disabled child came into their lives... I used to be a teacher and a day's supply work would be double what Carers Allowance has been. So we live on my husband's minimum wage and tax credits has actually kept us afloat as a family.

Like many other families, our child also got DLA - in his case for life as there is no known 'cure' for his condition. But now he will lose most of it as the changeover to PIP happens as the criteria for getting the higher rate have changed so drastically. (Essentially like thousands of other disabled people, he will be robbed by this government as he was promised DLA "for life" but there is no way he will qualify for the higher rate of PIP, maybe not get it at all even though his disabilities - he has ore than one - will remain).

So yes - many carers depend on tax credits. There are no mechanisms to help us re-train or return to the jobs we once did before we were Carers. Teaching is all I know how to do. We are told there is going to be a shortage of teachers. Yet the government also ended the Return To Teaching courses that got you back in the saddle (education changes fast) and got you to the point you'd have a couple of usable references, to go to agencies. Many Carers must, like me, be people who could return at least part time but sadly employers are not magical fairies, like the tories seem to think, who will suddenly mysteriously pay their workers a wage they can live on or create free training programmes to ease carers back into the work-force...

JoffreyBaratheon · 30/10/2015 12:06

And just to inject even more harsh reality into the discussion - my husband is on minimum wage so gets tax credits because.... he is a TA.

Essential members of the work force, these folk on tax credits. Not Osborne and Cameron's golf club pals whose jobs, whilst well paid are possibly not essential.

howabout · 30/10/2015 12:15

Had a step away from the keyboard moment with this thread and still ignoring all the nasty stuff Sad Shock

Just thought it was worth updating and since Moriaty asked - the House of Commons yesterday passed a backbench motion unopposed asking the government to present a full impact analysis and change the proposals. The Guardian website has some decent reporting on it.

bigbuttons · 30/10/2015 15:30

I am a trained teacher but am working as a Ta because I am a single mum of Young kids so cannot take on the responsibility and work load of a teaching post. I get paid a pitance and I work bloody hard. So in my class there are effectively 2 teachers working. I have no fincaial support from my ex and rely heavily on tax credits. I hate that I am in this position at my age. I would love to get paid a living wage by the council and be free to earn extra without the housing people taking money off pretty much pound for pound if I claim extra hours. There's no point in trying to better myself all the time the wages are so low.

bigbuttons · 30/10/2015 15:35

My situation is that I gave up teaching many years ago to have children. When my ex did the dirty on me and we split I was like Jeoffry hopelessly out of touch with teaching yet there is no retraining package. So there will be lots of trained teachers like me with no way back in. I do supply at my school and hope to get a part time teaching post there at some point.