To think 'in your face Osborne?'

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I'm not. I know I'm not. I'm personally going to have a glass of wine and celebrate there being a significant amount of egg on the Tories' faces.

How can anyone be disappointed by the delay in Tax Credits cuts- what do you stand to gain by these cuts?
You wont see any great improvement in your own incomings/finances- I dont understand.

We dont rely on TC at all. I am happy to pay Tax towards those that need the help.

Corbyn or John Mcdonnell

A house is shelter first and foremost. It would need to be replaced with another home. For families in need of state support for income, especially after a time of crisis, staying put is surely the sensible option.

I genuinely don't understand people who think that their paying taxes means that their PERSONAL money is funding things they don't like or agree with.

You pay taxes because you live in a civilised society which deems that anyone who is financially able to contribute to the country they live in does so - because 'stuff' in a society needs paying for.

You don't get 'a say' about how it's spent other than how you vote in democratic elections.

You as an individual are not 'paying for someone else's lifestyle'. You pay taxes and the government that you either voted for or accept that other people voted for - decides how that is spent.

If we had a system where taxes only went to the individual contributors assessment of 'valid causes' then this country would be absolutely screwed.

I work in the NHS and I see this attitude on occasion. 'I pay my taxes, I PAY for the NHS so I expect XX treatment'.

Often, If we broke it down, your recent operation/complex asessment and intervention plus costs of the medication you needed cost far, far more than what you paid in taxes in the last few years.

That's how it works. You pay in and with very, very few exceptions (probably none tbh) you get more than you put in.

It certainly doesn't mean you can take exception to YOUR money being spent on things you don't agree with. It's not your money. It's taxes.

Bloody hell again. So people like dark believe that people like dawndonna should sell their house and live in insecure rented accommodation, at the whim of landlords who could sell at any moment, with a disabled DH and two disabled DCs who will need care all their lives. Punishment for being poor. I am horrified that there are people who think like this. Horrified.

Sunshield I firmly believe Osborne has been saved by the Lords from his version of Thatcher's Poll Tax folly.

I remember hearing her very loyal government driver saying he told her that he thought she'd gone wrong on that one. There are plenty of people of all political persuasions who, because of life experience, know in their water you can't take money from folk like that and there be no consequences.

The sight of ids doing his jig of joy when these cuts were announced made me feel physically ill.
Utter scum.

Yes, helping the starving millions in their detached homes with beautiful views - let's not forget the views, people!
Dawndonna's dd here.
Mum didn't start crying until the point above. What do you want, yes we've got fabulous views. It's all Mum gets these days. They don't go out, Dad can't much and ends up in excruciating pain when he does. Nanna and Grandad took her out for a meal two weeks ago. She was so overwhelmed they had to choose for her because (we worked out) she hadn't been out for a proper meal since my older brother's 25th birthday. He's 31 in January.
Why do you think we should sell the home my parents worked so hard for? This way, we don't end up getting further benefits, no housing benefit or mortgage relief here, Mum and Dad paid for all of this. You seem to resent every penny in benefits, with no thought as to how the recipients feel. Should I and my (naturally conceived) twin sister have been left on the mountainside? That's how you make us feel. No? Well that's what you get then, two people who will go on to university and who will, despite their disabilities become contributing members of society. What is it you resent? Our education? Our health care? Or just the fact that although there are few treats, we have food on the table?
Nanna and Grandad also gave Mum some clothes, because she'll only buy from charity shops for herself, is that a problem for you too? Should she declare Nanna's cast offs? We don't live an easy life, Mum certainly doesn't. But why the fuck should we have to live hand to mouth because we have disabilities. I'm very sorry Dark but you really do have an attitude that you should be thoroughly ashamed of.

oh Dawndonna's dd again. Living in rented accommodation would also cost more because of the adaptations required for my family. They'd be the ones that Mum and Dad paid for.

Poverty is when £10 onto the mobile phone is 9% of your weekly income.
Poverty is having to count the number of bus journeys per week as each is 5% of income.
Poverty is buying tinned food that can be eaten cold as it can be stored for later without a fridge or cooker.

None of the Government has any concept of the hardship they are causing.

dawndonna's DD - give your mum and the rest of your family a big un-mumsnetty hug from me and please ignore the people on this thread who have had a compassion bypass.

Dawndonnas DD i hope in good moments that your mum can appreciate the wonderful things she has achieved in life. I'm sure she is a strong women. A loving family, a roof over your heads, an education to appreciate the world. A view (goodness knows what that ones about but I don't see how anyone can resent a view). These are all hers and no one can take those away.

Life deals some horrid blows sometimes and unfortunately some things people appear to have to live through to actually understand (like existing with constant pain or being house bound by pysical or mental disability).

One posters views are just that.

Many more are here to support when needed. My own son has ASD and prior to his birth I never appreciated how many challenges that can throw up for him, for us, for earning two salaries, for getting out and about. Sometimes its just too tiring to educate others in why this is.

I hope that the tide of austerity will eventually pass and Britain can rediscover prosperity, with it compassion and validity in all her citizens contributions.

Absolutely disgusting postsdark
Do you think your taxes have paid for the nhs care you've had? Do you think that disabled people should be penalised.
You may have an accident and find yourself disabled so then you would know what people are up against.
dawn is doing a marvellous job and actually saving this piss poor government money.
You should be saying to yourself there but for the grace of God go I
We are all alright until disaster strikes, people do brilliant jobs bringing up children on theie own. How were they supposed to know they would be abandoned by their partners and left to cope.
I was alright until my dd died and my exdh took to drink so I had to leave in a hurry.
I do not have a home I live and work in an hotel, so if I lose my job for any reason I would be homeless, yet I am paying taxes.
Just think before you post such upsetting shite

Dawns dd...please give your lovely mum a hug from me.
Please don't feel you have to explain yourselves to unfeeling bastards like dark and her ilk.
I don't use that word lightly but it's sadly appropriate here
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Dawndonna's dd, please give your mum lots of chocolate and cake from me. She is an extraordinary woman, and we in society should be bending over backwards to show our appreciation for her. It is a black mark on us that we don't.

I am ashamed that our society has produced people who are not even embarrassed to express the sort of views Dark has. The ignorance, if not stupidity, is monumental. DM crap, all of it.

Dawn and Dawns DD from me.

Dark your posts are sick making.

Ive been out doing the weekly shop and ive heard something interesting. One of the supermarkets are taking on Xmas temps for only THREE WEEKS this year.

This would be ok for someone whose partner has already got a job but for a single person or half of a couple who has to support their partner for some reason it would be a nightmare.

Tax credits can take weeks to sort out (for a friend of mine it took two months) surely its better to take on temps for three months not three weeks.

Im very into social history and ive just started reading historian Catharine Arnolds books. Im reading City of Sin at the moment and the parallels between attitudes towards poorer people centuries ago and now are chilling.

Dark you are absolutely fucking vile, you do realise that selling the house would cost the tax payer more in the long run.

Let's hope you, your dc or your dgc never have to deal with the things dawndonna has to. Do you realise how much money she has saved the tax payer over the years caring for her family and how much stress and worry it must be

If I said what I really thought of you I would be banned you awful excuse of a human

I don't often feel moved to post on threads like these neediest they make me feel alternately depressed and angry at the sheer nastiness and ignorance of some posters.

I'm disgusted by the spiteful comments on DawnDonna who happens to be one of the the most thoughtful, intelligent and kind posters on here. Dawnsdd - you sound like a lovely girl and I bet your mum is proud of you.

As others have said, there but for the grace of god... I myself was in a well paying management role until a combination of severe pnd and the breakdown of a long term (abusive) relationship turned my life upside down. I nearly wentt bankrupt, ended up as a single mum, made homeless (XP threw me out), lucky enough to eventually get a council flat. While all that was going on I had to give up my well paying job and take one at a much lower level, working part time, to support me and my baby DS. That was ten years ago. Tax credits helped me to get back on my feet and it's only just now my career is beginning to recover. I'm one of the lucky ones because I've got to the chance to earn more and my DS doesn't have additional needs.

I don't know how people can post some of the things they do, I really don't.

*because, not neediest.

And it looks like I forgot the flowers for DD and her DD so here you go, one each

They post crap like that because they are miserable unhappy little cunts

Good God Dark that is one of the most disgusting things I have ever read on mumsnet. Shame on you, I do hope that it is not deleted, but left there for everyone to see. Shocking and incredibly ignorant too.

You're not wrong Draculas. It's a hateful attitude and tbh I'm really glad not to be like that.

I really believe when there's such bitterness and lack of compassion as dark has shown, there's a real emptiness within their soul...which feels the opposite to dawndonna, who has her dd speaking up for her mum and showing how much she loves and supports here....they are like opposite ends of the spectrum to dark.....

I'm not convinced they are real, who would seriously consider calling their child Madrigal ffs.