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To think 'in your face Osborne?'

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Littlefluffyclouds81 · 26/10/2015 20:50

I'm not. I know I'm not. I'm personally going to have a glass of wine and celebrate there being a significant amount of egg on the Tories' faces.

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UnderTheGreenwoodTree · 29/10/2015 00:25

Mmmmmcake - labour have wanted to get rid of the unelected peers for a while. There was much debate about it when they got power in 97 - but they never quite managed it.

Personally, I think the peers are not a perfect system by any stretch of the imagination - but here they did their job brilliantly here, and I'm glad to have them. They are there precisely for this - to have a 'layman's' voice in parliament and lawmaking. They can throw things back if they're not up to par - and this isn't.

The general convention is that they don't vote against anything that is specifically in the government's manifesto when they were elected. This legislation is highly dubious: yes, we knew they were going to make £12bn cuts to the welfare system, BUT, Cameron had specifically said he wouldn't cut working tax credits during his election campaign. The dubious nature of the way they are trying to make the cuts was rightfully called into question.

UnderTheGreenwoodTree · 29/10/2015 00:31

Of course, Osborne's response to this isn't "oops, I tried to pass some cock and bull legislation that will be to the detriment to thousands of people, putting them on the breadline" but "bastard unelected peers (!) there will be consequences." Hmm

CarrieLouise25 · 29/10/2015 03:12

Typical narcissist in that case Grin

Shutthatdoor · 29/10/2015 08:34

JustBeingJuliet - if your dad can afford to buy you a house outright and yet you still enlist your in comings and outgoings as a sign of all that is wrong with the country

If your dad can afford to buy you a house you aren't in the same position as many others in the country.

You don't have to find that money every month like many do or worry about having to move or not pay mortgage every month.

DraculasDixieNormas · 29/10/2015 08:51

well in Juliets defence what she was saying is if she had to pay rent still, like the majority of people have to then she couldn't afford to live without tax credits.

Tiredemma · 29/10/2015 09:23

"well in Juliets defence what she was saying is if she had to pay rent still, like the majority of people have to then she couldn't afford to live without tax credits"

thats how I read it too.

CalebHadToSplit · 29/10/2015 09:33

I wonder how many of ALW's actors, musicians, production crews etc. need tax credit top ups to survive?

Dawndonnaagain · 29/10/2015 09:52

angelos02
Do your calculation on what you can afford without sponging on others. Being on benefits is not sponging, it is accessing something available for all.

Obviously people fall on hard times...that is what hand outs are for
They are not handouts.

but don't make life decisions on the assumption that someone else will pay for them Mind your own business.

DH & I are only on £65k between us so in no position to have child
What that actually means is you're not prepared to change the lifestyle you have in order to be able to afford children. Completely different thing.

AugustaHill · 29/10/2015 09:57

Any company that employs people on low enough wages/hours to claim tax credits should have to:

  1. repay those tax credits before posting a profit/company dividend/paying anything to an offshore parent company
  2. accept that they cannot pay the company directors/senior officers more than 8 times the hourly rate of the lowest paid member of staff- if they want to do that, tax credits have to be repaid first
MissHooliesCardigan · 29/10/2015 10:23

I reckon Dave and Gideon were banking on those who have TCs removed turning on the unemployed and all the people the government is shafting can fight each other while they sit back and laugh.
It is wrong that someone can be better off financially being unemployed than working full time but that isn't because benefits are too generous. It's because the cost of housing and childcare are extortionate and wages are too low.
I really really hope that this is Cameron and Osborne's poll tax.

JustBeingJuliet · 29/10/2015 11:28

Thank you :) That's exactly what I was saying. I was listing my outgoings as they are fairly average and I'm not paying out for a massive sky tv package or running a huge expensive car, yet someone in my position jobwise but with rent to pay wouldn't be able to make ends meet without help from tax credits.

angelos02 · 29/10/2015 16:15

All I was trying to get across was that people should make decisions based on what they can afford without other people having to step in to bail them out.DH & mines outgoings on a very average home are over 2k. How on earth can we find money to provide for a child?

ssd · 29/10/2015 16:18

god knows, angelos02, god knows..

TalkinPease · 29/10/2015 16:25

angelos
All I was trying to get across was that people should make decisions based on what they can afford without other people having to step in to bail them out.
Known Unkowns and all that

circumstances change

and if I'd not had my kids when I could not afford to, I'd never have had them as only now I'm 50 can I truly afford to
so you know what
I'm GLAD I had them when I did.

angelos02 · 29/10/2015 16:35

I genuinely don't understand why people get so vexed at the suggestion that they can't afford something.

TalkinPease · 29/10/2015 16:37

have you never wanted children with someone you love?

angelos02 · 29/10/2015 16:46

I think I'm annoyed at the likes of the woman on TV this morning moaning about benefit money being withdrawn. Plenty of people are earning much less than they used to. Especially since the recession. Many of my friends are on much less than they were. Stop fucking moaning about your freebies being withdrawn.

Dawndonnaagain · 29/10/2015 16:48

I genuinely don't understand why people get so vexed at the suggestion that they can't afford something.

  1. It's none of your business.
  2. It's not up to you to dictate what is and isn't affordable.
  3. It's still none of your damned business.

Oh, and I live in a four bedroomed detached house with incredible views and my outgoings are nowhere near two grand a month. So (4) You're talking nonsense.

MrPorky · 29/10/2015 16:50

I think if others are being asked to pay for it, it is a little bit their business Dawn.

Alfieisnoisy · 29/10/2015 16:50

Great angelo, so you plan a child (I did) when you can afford it (yep I ticked that one too).

Doesn't change the fact the child is disabled and the husband walked out.

In fact when the husband waked out I was in a well paid job so didn't need benefits.

As my child has got older so working full time or even working at all has got harder and harder.

Life isn't black and white no matter what others think.

Dawndonnaagain · 29/10/2015 16:50

And fuck off with the freebies Angelos. They're not. They're their as a safety net. Many folk don't earn 65k as a couple. Apart from which, I guarantee that this particular benefit scrounger works harder and does longer hours than you.

Darkbehindthecurtain · 29/10/2015 16:55

Living in poverty eh dawn Hmm

StormyLlewelyn · 29/10/2015 17:10

Living in poverty ehdawn

What a petty, mean little comment. Poverty isn't always a shack in some shanty town or an inner city high rise on a dodgy estate. Poverty is not being able to afford basics like food, heat, clothing, etc.

Where I live, council houses are fairly big. It's semi-rural so many of them have good views with parks on the doorstep and nice amenities. Doesn't make people instantly rich because they live in a nice house.

Or are all poor people supposed to wear sack cloth and ashes, wandering around ringing their little bell so that us better off types can avoid them?

Dawndonnaagain · 29/10/2015 17:40

Living in poverty eh dawn hmm I'm so sorry. I didn't realise that dh would get ill and be unable to work. I didn't realise that the insurance wouldn't pay out. I didn't realise that more than one of our children would be disabled, but that's part of what you get when you have premature twins. Would that be my fault too?

Right, I had to retire to look after dh. I have to lift him on and off the loo, I have to dress him, help him on the stairs. If he needs the loo at night, it's me that has to get up. Inbetween that, I ferry my disabled twins about, I often get up in the night for one or both of them too. They're 19 now, but one has a form of Cerebral Palsy which means that sometimes she wets, she has no control over this, but it's me that has to lift her (she's taller than me now) shower her, ensure she is properly dry because she also has psoriasis and urea breaks down the skin, and get her back to bed. On top of this, she has brittle asthma and narcolepsy so she can never bath or shower alone. How do you think she feels about that at 19. How do you think dh feels, at 45 about no longer being able to contribute. Her twin has EDS and is in constant pain and one of their brothers has AS, tourettes and scoliosis. We've gone from being lecturers to survivors. I get the princely sum of 62 quid a week for this, and that is taken from dh's esa. So don't you dare come on here and comment on my poverty levels when you know absolutely FUCK ALL about my circumstances Darkbehindthecurtain.

StormyLlewelyn · 29/10/2015 17:44

I have EDS, it's shit. I live in dread of reaching the point where I can no longer work.

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