To feel it is high time that Israel/Palestinian issue got resolved?

[SippyDippy]

conflict us starting up again. I cannot bear another round of children being killed indiscriminately. The super powers would have you believe that it is all oh so very complicated. its not though is it. It is so bloody unfair how those children will keep dying if the status quo is maintained. Something needs to change.

unispal.un.org/UNISPAL.NSF/0/6B939C57EA9EF32785256F33006B9F8D#.dpuf

Link for what I posted above.

I figured you'd just copied and pasted from an Israel hating site.

From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free, right?

Actually shak, what i copied and pasted was from the United Nations Information System on the Question of Palestine. What I quoted was a Paper presented to the
Conference of the High Contracting Parties to the Fourth GenevaConvention on Measures to Enforce the Convention in the
Occupied Palestinian Territory, including Jerusalem 15th July 1999 Geneva
Prepared by the Permanent Observer Mission of Palestine to the United Nations, New York. It was all in my link.
If you think the UN is Israel hating , well so be it. I don't really care to be honest. The truth is the truth. An oppressor is an oppressor.

Oh and definitely...

Free Palestine!

I think the clue is in prepared by permanent mission to the un of Palestine. I could find endless documents prepared by the Israeli government. You may find they are also one sided.

A bit of critical facility would be very helpful.

And I note the sudden change from 'from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free' to 'free Palestine'. How interesting, is that because you didn't understand what you were saying before?

And one could also argue that 'free Palestine' is quite ambiguous given how oppressed the Palestinians are by their own leadership. Free Palestine....from Hamas!

Er no....I said free Palestine because I noted you object to that too. It's a very old Israel tactic to object to anything and everything that does not preserve the status quo. Object all you like. Apartheid will not last for ever.

We are all Palestinians.

Object away.

The international community, including through U.N. resolutions, has consistently and repeatedly rejected Israel's claims and its policies and practices in the occupied territory. In 1968, the General Assembly established the Special Committee to Investigate Israeli Practices Affecting the Human Rights of the Palestinian People and other Arabs of the Occupied Territories, which, in spite of Israel's refusal to cooperate, has submitted periodic reports to the General Assembly throughout each session.

unispal.un.org/UNISPAL.NSF/0/6B939C57EA9EF32785256F33006B9F8D#.dpuf

link to above post.

Sippy you use the age old Israeli tactic of refusing to address the issues at hand, goodness you're just like an Israeli, behaving just like Israel.

Please explain 'from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free' since this slogan calls for the annihilation of Israel. You wrote it, you clearly support it.

I thought this piece in the Guardian today by a Palestinian who was born in a Gaza refugee camp, was excellent.

sorry shak but that's rubbish, nothing i've ever witnessed. And the reason is that israel bombing and killing over 1000 civilians is not most people's idea of peeace.

this defending israel will do nothing to achieve peace. To answer "but hamas" to everything achieves nothing because israrl's occupation and violation of internationssl law and human rights in gaza pre-dates hamas.

Seen it with my own eyes sordid.

Peace doesn't involve intentionally firing missiles at kindergartens or terror tunnels into kibbutzim.

Peace requires action on BOTH sides. Yes there's an imbalance but Palestinians are still important actors in all this.

That's why I wouldn't join a 'peace' protest outside of Israel because they're not, they're just anti Israel.

I'm not defending Israel where I believe it to be wrong. I have no qualms condemning the occupation, the settlements.

But Israel has legitimate claims and concerns and grievances - as does Palestine. If we want peace we need to acknowledge and understand both and work to reconcile them.

Demonising Israelis and beatifying Palestinians does nothing to forward peace.

Nom's point about SA and Mandela has resonance. Many whites South Africans knew apartheid to be wrong but were terrified what would happen though under black rule. Mandela addressed their concerns and made them feel secure and confident that a post apartheid SA would be OK.

Similarly many Israelis know the occupation to be wrong, the settlements misguided. But they're terrified of a Palestinian state becoming an IS outpost right next door. Given what has happened in Gaza, these fears have become more entrenched. Maybe it's unfair that Palestinian self determination relies on convincing Israelis that it won't lead to their own destruction but that's how it is, Israel has the power.

No matter how much Israel is demonized, if Israelis think a Palestinian state will equal Israel's destruction, it won't happen.

Shak I was in SA at the time of the changes. Yes Mandela was a remarkable presence in terms of encouraging forgiveness and moving forward, and reassuring many of the fears of the white community - but those changes were happening one way or another.
Sanctions (and to be fair, a costly little border war) had stuffed SA's economy. And it was clear that the unrest was going to turn into something nastier if change didn't start happening.
And there's certainly no Mandela figure in Israeli or Palestinian politics at present.

Maybe it'd have happened anyway, maybe taken a lot longer with far more bloodshed. And things are far less clear cut in Israel/Palestine

I don't agree with the boycott/sanctions as generally I feel their aims are Israel hating rather than peace advancing but there is a case that it is all too easy to sit in tel aviv and ignore the chaos going on not too far away

Shak,
Why is any criticism of Israel deemed to be israel-hating? Reading your posts where you try to police what is allowed and what is not allowed to be said against Israel, just makes you sound very arrogant. I can now see why the Israeli left and academics against Israeli oppression are labelled lefties by the Israeli right and extremists, as if it is a dirty word, or worse when they are called self- hating Jews.

The Israeli occupation of the Palestinian Territory, including Jerusalem, and the policies and practices of the occupying Power in this regard represent a unique case for several reasons. Primarily, the occupation is unique because of the multiplicity and intensity of Israel's grave breaches, breaches and serious violations of the 4th Geneva Convention and other acts contrary to its provisions, all of which have caused the Palestinian civilian population immense suffering. In fact, Israel's policies and practices represent systematic and even institutionalized violations of international humanitarian law. - See more at: unispal.un.org/UNISPAL.NSF/0/6B939C57EA9EF32785256F33006B9F8D#.dpuf

I just read that post and you simply don't make any sense. Your sentences don't seem to follow any logic or have any connection to what was written previously.

Why no explanation of your call for Israel's annihilation???

Deflection and attack, you're doing exactly what Israel always does.

For example
'I can see now why the Israeli left are labelled lefties'

Yes, yes the left may indeed labelled lefties. And the right are sometimes labelled righties.

Why can you see that now as opposed to before? What was written that gave you this insight now? What do you think the left should be called? 'righties'? Where did this thought suddenly appear from?

You don't make any sense!

Oh and I have no problem with criticizing Israel. And Palestine too.

Demonizing Israel and refusing any criticism of Palestine is Israel hating. That's what you're doing.

Write what you like, I don't police. But I will call you on your bonkers and Israel hating posts where I see it.

Such as the call for Israel's annihilation 'from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free' which I note you still have not explained.

Deflection, distortion - you're just like a typical Israeli sippy.

And continually copying and pasting from a document submitted by the Palestinian mission to the UN, which clearly says at the top that it's not an official UN document, is meaningless.

What is your plan for peace sippy? How will you ensure that a future Palestinian state won't become an outpost of Islamic State? What do the Israelis AND Palestinians need to do to move peace forward?

Israel bashing may be a fun hobby for you but the question is - as in your op - isn't it high time the problem is resolved? So what needs to happen? Is demonising Israel going to move the peace process forward?

"Why is any criticism of Israel deemed to be israel-hating". Only poster that hasn't criticised Israel on this thread is Carol Decker I think.

Maybe only when the poster is so polarised into Israel is evil and Palestinians are always completely innocent victims no matter what - it comes over as complete hatred of Israel with no room for recognising the failings and fears of both sides - which just keeps the fighting and the hatred going.

And when they post the "from the the river to the sea" quote - bit of a give away.

You won't get an answer bambini.

Sippy will just jump to another illogical post of Israel bashing and ignore the difficult questions.

How very arrogant, oooh, just like Israel!