To feel it is high time that Israel/Palestinian issue got resolved?

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conflict us starting up again. I cannot bear another round of children being killed indiscriminately. The super powers would have you believe that it is all oh so very complicated. its not though is it. It is so bloody unfair how those children will keep dying if the status quo is maintained. Something needs to change.

No idea Bam. I don't feel they are an oppressed, suffering people. I would imagine that I would feel very happy with the current situation because my side is in a position of power.

Thankfully, the tide is turning. People are not so quick to blindly side with Israel anymore, especially after the way it killed palestinian child after child after child. Building settlements on someone else's land isnt winning it any friends either.

I think one day, Palestinians will be very much part of and the fabric of Istaeli society. You cannot keep up apartheid rule forever.

Of course the Israelis have it much easier and have a bigger responsibility in resolving this situation. But how do you think you would feel as an Israeli mother? Israelis are human too you know. Mothers with children they love. I have friends who live within striking distance of these rockets. Their very young children can be put playing when the sirens go off. Can you imagine the panic trying to round them up and make it to the nearest bomb shelter? Your older children are off in school again when rockets are fired. They have to scramble to shelters without you. You think this has no effect on these children? It has no effect on their education? Then these same children have to do military service at 18 yrs old and god knows what will be required of them or how it will affect them. Yes, the Palestinians have it countless times worse but to ignore the effects and what drives both sides is just foolish.

And yes, I know how these threads often go. Palestinains are totally blameless victims with no power of their actions and Israelis are evil disgusting monsters. And this does fuck all in changing anything.

exactly what crystalgall said up thread.
Sad, and yet there's fuck all the UK is going to do about it.

The super powers would have you believe that it is all oh so very complicated.

Would you like a reading list of Middle Eastern history to get you started OP, or would you prefer to stick to the Daily Mail?

The situation is tragic for all sides but it's not at all simple.

But the Palestinians DON'T have any power. That's the point. They have ZERO power. They are prisoners. They can be thrown out of their homes at any time. They have no rights. In my opinion they are indeed blameless victims. Maybe the Israeli mothers should try to convince their govt to stop stealing land/throwing people out of their homes/killing kids on purpose.

Really?? The amount of stabbings that have occurred this week. The 13 year old boy today really deserved it?

I agree that the international community should be involved. It would have been nice if the countries to which Palestinians went as refugees in 1948 had resettled them in their own borders, instead of keeping them in camps and in limbo for decades as visible weeping sores to justify their oppression of their own populations because destroying Israel must be the top priority. How would we feel if we were subject to terrorist attacks by a group within a neighbouring state? We might justify all sorts of policies to protect ourselves - occupation by troops, internment, non jury trials, shoot to kill...? As the original political sponsors of Zionism, how do we in the UK feel we have the right to say anything other than 'sorry old chaps'?

130 Settler attacks on palestinians just in october so far. Just trying to protect their olive trees from the settlers seems to be a daunting task. The israeli police and army do little to protect the palestinians and their property. In fact they are well known to give the settlers a helping hand with destruction and rampages.

Did the pregnant mother and 3 year old deserve it?

We can go round in circles all day can't we?

Being blown up I mean

Of course they have had power over they years and they chose to weild it in war to destroy and throw the Jews out. Unfortunately, the wars did not go their way. Again, I feel for them and would probably act exactly as they have done and hate the way that they hate. Thy also chose to vote in Hamas and played right into Bibi's right wing, hate filled hands.

People are totally overlooking the mindset of the Israelis. I used to read the Jerusalem Post and speak to Israelis and it soon became clear how damaged their psyche was. What we have now was the result of a traumatised people who were (possible still are) so paranoid that the mindset behind the holocaust will happen again, that there are those out there more than wiling to destroy them and their children (and they have valid reason to fear this). Remember many of these people were the survivors of the camps, had almost their whole families wiped out. Have valid fears that those surrounding them want to wipe them out and tries in previous wars.

Ignoring the psyches of both groups and what they fear and what drives them will just keep feeling the conflict.

Oh and the 13 yr old shot by Israeli soldiers last week

Sorry, I really should proof read!

Palestinians don't have zero power and are not blameless victims. They've had arms and funding from certain Arab states for years (but who still don't want accept them). They do teach their children a militant form of Islam which is every bit as ugly, probably more, as the militant version of Zionism encouraged in Israel and the diaspora. There are those who call for every Jew found hiding behind a rock to be annihilated. They do wish for the complete destruction of Israel.

IMO the root of the problem comes from people who want their communities to be 'pure' and under their thumb. Purely Jewish, purely WASP, purely Islamic. No mixing, hating and competing with each other. As in WW2, these creeps will and do collaborate to achieve that. It`s never about religion or whatever issue they say it is, it's all about the money. The rest of us, the impure, are as lilies of the field....

Not getting hooked in - but the Palestinian terrorist sympathisers should read some history before their obvious anti-semitism gets a reaction.

of course anti-semitism is acceptable racism on this site, so we will all ignore

I'm not posting any more so you don't have to respond to my terrorist loving anti Semitic views.

I believe the Palestinians
are an oppressed people who suffer daily and continuously at the hands of their abusers. I fully understand why they behave the way they do when they are treated like animals being herded into pens.

Hey free speech and all. I have to read enough Islamaphobic bile on this site.

Bambam,how do those israelis then not see the ghetto they have created for the palestinians, how do they not see that the survivors of the Gaza strip have had almost all of their families wiped out. how do thise israelis not see the reality that palestinians live with is that those surrounding them, ie the settlers, the soldiers, Netanyahu, ayelet shaked and the likes bomb them and tend to wipe out their children every few months. How can they as a nation not see that the horrors they inflict upon the palestinians are not so different to what was inflicted upon them. Why is it ok to inflict that upon someone else today? Is the blood of an Israeli jew any different in colour to the blood of a Palestinian?

Crystalgall, please dont stop posting. standing up for human rights is not anti semitic.

caroldecker calling all palestinians terrorists, well it is very sad really. Then she has the nerve to call others racist!

I don't know how they can reconcile that given their past. Maybe they weigh it up against the fact that Palestinians would possibly choose to wipe them and their children out if they had the firepower that the Israelis have. I think it can be easy for us sitting in safe old UK, especially if we are from a group that doesn't face hate and persecution to not put ourselves in the place of Israelis who have real reason to fear their neighbours and who know that there are people out their more than willing to wipe them and their children out.

By all means put yourselves in the shoes of the Palestinians but to understand how complicated it is - think of what is driving the Israelis and what it would feel like to be raising your children there with the very really threats and fears that they face. That's uncomfortable for a lot of people.

What can the solution be?

Israel has a right to protect its people, to exist. I can understand why Israel has taken the course of action it has, as a country, it's surrounded by countries which deny its right to exist.

Palestine also has a right to protect its people. I can understand the anger of the people, why the actions which have been taken, have been.

I honestly don't think there can be a happy for all solution, and that is the saddest thing of all.

No country around Israel has given any Palestinians nationality despite living there since 1948 because it would give legitimacy to Israel. Israel has not started any of the conflicts and only defends itself.
Get a grip and read the news and do not surrender to Goebbels.

not sure what part of my post suggested I'm some sort of neo-Nazi, carol.

Carol - What do you feel about the Palestinians? Can you imagine that life for yourself, for your children?

The problems in the Middle East go back way further than the holocaust of the Second World War or even the beginning of Islam; take a look at the Old Testament of the bible. Don't be mistaken that that is ancient history either; it is very current in he beliefs of Jewish settlers.