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... to think my DH is really mean to my DS?

196 replies

Loulou000 · 23/09/2015 19:03

DS (nearly 7) is scared of being anywhere in the house on his own. I tend to go along with him, in that I say I will watch him go down the stairs, for example, to make sure he's ok. I will try to arrange things so that I can be in the same room as him. For example, I will put washing on while he's finishing his breakfast, etc.

DH is very impatient with this (as with many other things) and just said that I was making it worse by encouraging him. In this instance, he just doesn't want to get up from his bloody computer to make him feel safe going downstairs. He's only been in the house ten minutes, and already he's cross.

And to top it all he just said, teeth gritted, "You’re not scared, you’re just being silly. What is WRONG with you?" He says this quite often, and it really upsets me. Surely this is not a good thing to say to a child?

Is he actually a total twat? And am I encouraging DS's fears too much?

OP posts:
BabyGanoush · 25/09/2015 12:29

See a GP, also about bedwetting, after age 6 they may want to check out if there is a medical reason for this.

Also, he sounds very anxious and you need to get proper support for this.

pinkisthenewpink · 25/09/2015 12:38

The big book of worries is quite a good book for kids aimed at helping them think about their worries and how it's good to share them.

And OP....I think you sound like a lovely mum and the approach you've agreed with your DH sounds great. I don't think your DSs situation sounds overly concerning - not based on just the alone thing - he's 6. At that age....blimey at any age, we all have our little quirks and blips and things we struggle with. It's good to keep reinforcing that the house is a safe place and you're right there but supporting him and letting him know that you understand (just like you have been doing all along I suspect)

wannaBe · 25/09/2015 12:48

Op hasn't mentioned what her ds is like with other people and at school/friends/other situations. I suspect that he is in fact far less anxious because others don't pander to it in the way op has. I also suspect that the op's dh isn't being mean at all but that after seven years he's fed up of this child's behaviour being enabled by the op to the extent that in her op she criticised her dh for not getting up from his computer to watch him.

I don't imagine this child became this anxious overnight, I suspect that the anxiety increased because at the first sign of it op said she would watch him, and so the cycle began to the point where he has a screaming tantrum if she won't watch/follow him. At seven, which he presumably doesn't have elsewhere or for other people.

there is a balance between reassuring a child that no, there isn't anything to be afraid of but equally not pandering to the anxiety to a point where the child is screaming.

I had some anxieties as a child e.g. not wanting to get up in the night or want to fall asleep on my own (I did though) but there's no way I would put up with a seven year old insisting he be watched/followed everywhere in the house and screaming if I didn't comply.

Op needs to take a more hard-line approach. No of course there isn't anything to be afraid of, yes, the only way you can know that is by going there and seeing for yourself, and when you get back from there you can tell me that nothing happened, and you will see that it's not scary.

But I would take a 0 tolerance approach to screaming. Reassure that there's nothing to be scared of while having a conversation, but have a screaming tantrum and I would leave the room and shut the door, with no option for him to follow
This child has learned over the past seven years that the house is scary, it has to be, because his mum watches and follows him wherever he goes to make sure he doesn't come to harm. She has reinforced that fear over time, and when she steps back from it, all he has to do is scream for her to come back and make sure he doesn't come to harm again.

The op needs to break this cycle. no more following him anywhere. no more watching him from the stairs, draw a map of the house which goes on the fridge, and on which he can plot his movement around it over the course of the day, with perhaps a marble or sticker or something for each room he's been to, but only if he's been there alone.

But the cycle needs to be broken for a number of weeks before immediately looking to seek a diagnosis. Most likely it's a reinforcement thing, not a sn thing. Lots of children have anxieties for all number of reasons, the more we pander to them, the more we reinforce them. And most don't have SN.

Loulou000 · 25/09/2015 13:42

Kind of biting tongue here, and very much appreciate that people have different views and if I didn't want to hear them I shouldn't have asked... BUT, would love to know what anyone who thinks I am pandering would actually do if their child was jumping up and down saying I need a poo, I need a poo, but would rather stand there and do it in their trousers than go to the loo on their own. In many ways I really don't have much choice but to pander.

And even if child is utterly weird, is telling them so (as DH did, basically) really going to help?

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Loulou000 · 25/09/2015 13:48

I don't really know what he is like when I'm not there. I know he would never have the opportunity to be alone in his state school, apart from in the loo, and actually, maybe that's why he comes home from school in wet trousers every couple of days. I'll ask DH about what he's like when I'm out of the house.

pinkisthenewpink thank you for your kind words, much appreciated. He is 6, and we all have our quirks. I'm not sure when medical intervention became the appropriate course of action for this.

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Mrsjayy · 25/09/2015 14:01

Your husband sounds frustrated that he has to follow your son about like he is a toddler and you are treating him a bit like one never leaving a 7yr old on his own is just reinforcing his fear you both want your son to feel safe and secure and going about it differently this is causing conflict. Speak to your husband and come up with a joint strategy.

abbieanders · 25/09/2015 14:06

Would you consider yourself an anxious person, OP?

Loulou000 · 25/09/2015 14:11

Not really. :)

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Loulou000 · 25/09/2015 14:12

Definitely needed a joint strategy and I think we have one now, which is great.

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LetsSplashMummy · 25/09/2015 14:14

I don't think anyone is saying you should let him poo in his pants. It is just that you mentioned your DHs response (and the thread was about his behaviour originally, not your DSs) and people are trying to say neither his nor your approach is right and maybe your DH isn't a monster - it sounds like the same conclusion you have come to and it is great you and DH now have a plan in place.

Good luck.

Gruntfuttock · 25/09/2015 14:15

Your son is fine on his own in his bedroom at night, is he?

Gruntfuttock · 25/09/2015 14:16

So sorry, ignore my previous post. I've just seen the answer upthread.

notaprincessbutaqueen · 25/09/2015 14:18

In many ways I really don't have much choice but to pander
but he's choosing to poo in his pants because you have pandered to such an extent that he wont go without you. if you had been more firm when he was younger you may not be having this issue now. I mean are you really going to be standing in the toilet with him when he's a teenager? Tough Love i think is needed. what's the harm in him pooing in his pants a few times anyway to teach him that this behaviour is no longer acceptable? if he does it just pop the poo into the loo and the pants into the washing machine.

DamnBamboo · 25/09/2015 14:20

My son is the same age and also doesn't like being in rooms in the house by himself.
Will play happily on our (quiet) cul de sac with his mates though - no needs for me to be present then.
I would say he doesnt' need to be criticised, but encourage to become more independent. If once you've actively tried to do this, it has had no impact, then I would speak initially to the school nurse/support work or your GP to find out what support there is.
Some children are just anxious - it's not rationale and telling them off won't help, but it can be overcome!
Good luck.
Oh yeah, and tell your D?H to stop being a fucking prick too.

Gileswithachainsaw · 25/09/2015 14:21

I would suspect the poo is the go to thing that he knows you won't refuse.

Mrsjayy · 25/09/2015 14:35

It will do your whole family good little things will make a big difference for your sons confidence Smile i would take him to the gp about his bed wetting though and when he poos him self what i would probably do is give him or get him to go to his room get some clean pants and trousers and go to the bathroom to get changed stand outside the bathroom but get him to do some of the clearing up himself dont make a huge deal of it but give him some of the responsibility iyswim

Gruntfuttock · 25/09/2015 14:38

How long were you prepared to keep doing this, OP? Into his teens?

Squashybanana · 25/09/2015 14:40

Just a little note to say that you can have anxiety without being autistic. I have 2 sons, one has autism and the other doesn't. To get a diagnosis of autism you have to have difficulties with social interaction, social communication, and flexible thinking. The majority of people with autism also have sensory differences. It is perfectly possible to have, for example, one part of the triad which will send up 'red flags' but actually it isn't autism. My second son was FAR worse than my autistic son in terms of his anxiety, caused in his case by poor flexible thinking. Any deviation from a plan caused a major meltdown with high pitched screaming. He also had major sensory issues and could not tolerate anything around his waist, we had such problems with trousers and socks. However, his social interaction and communication were not impaired so despite having loads of 'red flags' and MAJOR difficulties with anxiety (which included separation anxiety) he is not autistic. Now he is older he is very clearly not autistic and he has learned a number of strategies to manage his anxiety.

I work on an autism diagnostic team BTW and know autism very well.

Itsmine · 25/09/2015 14:42

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Loulou000 · 25/09/2015 14:47

Thanks Banana that's an interesting perspective.

We have been to the GP about wetting, done all the things they suggest, and actually making progress. They said to come back at 7 which we will if things are not continuing to improve.

I hope to have the privilege of being his mother well into his teens and beyond.

I was very angry with my DH, and selfishly wanted some affirmation about that, as many of us do at times, but the strength of opinion on how I parent my child has taken me a bit by surprise. It's not really always that easy to come to a fair judgement when you really don't know the people involved at all, nor the ins and outs of the troubles involved. Lesson learned for me.

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Twinkie1 · 25/09/2015 14:50

I think you are facilitating your sins behaviour and at 7 this needs to stop.

Your DH needs to be more understanding but you aren't helping your son by shadowing him. Your job is to help him grow and be independent before this behaviour becomes so entrenched that he carries it into his adulthood and it really messed up his future.

Start with just being at the door and then in the next room but continually popping in so he is aware that you are still near. Make your DH do this too.

If you need help CAMHS could help you with what they would term an attachment issue. I've seen kids referred due to things like this and they are given programmes that can help as s family unit.

wannaBe · 25/09/2015 14:51

yes, I would let him poo in his pants, although first I would give him the choice "look, if you don't go now then you are going to poo yourself." and if he does then I would as a PP said make him go and get clean clothes etc and make him responsible for some of it. he is seven not a baby. He has learned to do these things because you have allowed him to.

When they're babies and toddlers it's easy to say "oh, it's just a phase, he won't be doing it in his teens," but once they get older this becomes more of possibility

You are setting your ds up for some very difficult times ahead if you don't deal with this sooner rather than later. What happens if he has a playdate and insists you accompany him to the toilet? It won't be long before he is teased for that alone, and certainly it will impede his ability to go to friends' houses if he's prepared to poo himself rather than go to the toilet alone.

yes, I know that some anxieties may have additional causes, however from what the op has said she has very much enabled this behaviour and even made it worse.

mooboos · 25/09/2015 15:12

Not trying to scare you but my 24 year old SIL does not drive, will not go anywhere on her own (including to the corner shop), will not phone anyone and follows her mum around the house. All because her mum enabled her fears her entire life (and still does). You don't want your son to end up like that!

Gruntfuttock · 25/09/2015 15:19

OP I was struck by the wording of your title. Do you consider your son to be more "yours" than your husband's? It is the responsibility of parents to prepare their children for independent life. How will your son ever learn to cope without your constant presence?

JapaneseSlipper · 25/09/2015 15:22

OP I haven't RTFT, only your replies, and you sound like a great mum. Good luck with the reading and the GP. You're doing great xx