migrants - AIBU to wonder how this will all work out ?

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My understanding of the migrant crisis is that the majority of the migrants are coming from countries which do not, in any way, share or support Western beliefs/values/way of life. They are now flooding into Western Europe in the hundreds of thousands. Nobody knows who they are or their background in their home country. AIBU to wonder what will be the result of this ?

They are fleeing war/violence etc. AIBU to wonder why, when they reach Hungary, which is a 'safe' country, (although economically depressed), is it not good enough and they are determined to reach Germany, UK, Austria etc ?

AIBU to wonder why the majority of these migrants feel it is acceptable to stampede through European law immigration procedures to reach their chosen country rather than wait and be correctly processed in the 'safe country they have landed in ? Surely if a person has landed in a 'safe' country, after witnessing goodness knows what in their home country, they should respect and adhere to the policies and procedures of that country ?

AIBU to wonder how this will all work out ?

I would like to hear your calm and measured thoughts please................

The reason so many men are coming through is because the journey is so risky. A lot of men will try and make the journey alone rather than risk the lives of their families on the boats in the hope of being able to establish something for their families to come to. As is reasonable.

And it's total nonsense that they are all rejecting the first country they come to and 'only want certain countries'. The vast and overwhelming number of refugees are in places like Turkey or Egypt. It's an absolute lie that Muslim countries aren't taking their fair share. It's western Europe (slightly less so Germany and Sweden) which is slacking in its humanitarian duty.

Just reading in news that it was filmed in Hungary that migrants not only ignore the law but also threw water and food at the authorities.

no one knows how it will work our. badly I think.
how can anyone be sure there are not terrorist amongst these"insert whatever word you use" we will only know that when its too late.

but annwfyn it IS correct that they are rejecting the first country they land in............they are ignoring the documentation process and stampeding out of Hungary where many of them have first landed..........

i imagine that the majority of the migrants are coming from countries which abhor the West and our values/culture/way of life, so its kinda ironic that they are now ignoring the immigration laws, resulting in clashes with police/authorities, in their eagerness to gain entry. when they are settled in the host country will they suddenly have a change of heart regarding Western culture ? or will they still hold their beliefs that the West is the source of all evil/debauchery/degenerate behaviour ?

I am an expat (an immigrant I guess!) and DH came here first to check the place out and get a house sorted. It's logical really isn't it to get the paperwork in order before putting your children through the ordeal? It made sense even without the physical danger.

I have a friend from Eastern Ukraine. She can't wait to go home but is basically waiting for Putin to go and for the war to end. No way would she take her child back right now and who can blame her? She talks every week about the news situation, worries for her extended family, the likelihood it will end. Her brother is a 'Migrant' (but really refugees) in the same town. Guess they stick together. Many of these Syrians will be realising it will not likely end in their lifetime so if they are going to move, they need to find somewhere they can properly settle with job opportunities and/or some social benefits.

There may be more men attempting the journey (although I actually haven't seen any statistics to coroborate that so I would be interested to see whether that is actually true) but there are not more male refugees, the unhcr has it currently at around 49% men of over 4 million currently displaced (the highest amount of displaced people since world war 2).

• A lot of men will try and make the journey alone rather than risk the lives of their families on the boats in the hope of being able to establish something for their families to come to. As is reasonable

It depends where they are coming from, its never reasonable to leave the weakest and most vulnerable in nasty situations.

You go all together as a family, you don't leave your women and children children behind. Whole families managed to move over centuries for various reasons not sure why we have young men now.

boopsy you are seriously misinformed. For a start, Ebola does not come from Syria

It's an absolute lie that Muslim countries aren't taking their fair share. It's western Europe (slightly less so Germany and Sweden) which is slacking in its humanitarian duty

Gulf states have not taken a single refugee.

Why.

That is no lie.

What is your evidence for that belief shabby? Why don't you believe they are genuine refugees. You know it is the islamic state they are fleeing from?

oh come on
you leave your wife and children behind in a war torn country!!

meadow they do flee to Muslim countries. Neighbouring countries in the Middle East are taking by far the biggest share. And why do you assume that every single one of them won't be able to integrate when you yourself were able to?

i completely agree shabbychic. germany is the/a superpower. if enough control is gained, it is only a matter of time before the host country has no choice but to bow down to the vocal minority. i feel certain its going to result in huge problems down the line. i worry for my children and how life will be for them.

is it correct that once settled in the European host country, a migrant can then freely travel around Europe as he/she pleases ?

i felt some of my sympathy ebb away when i saw the food and water throwing. i feel there is a huge lack of respect and yes, gratitude on the part of the migrants. many seem to be displaying zero tolerance for the time it is taking for Europe to gain control of the situation. i wonder will this aggression and brute force be exercised when they arrive in the host country and are not give what they feel they are entitled to ?

Moreshabbythanchic - organized by who? You think there are meetings back in Syria?

"Right! Who will be first to sacrifice their children's lives in the Mediterranean so we can all force our way into Western Europe and by forming less than 5% of the population with no financial weight or significant access to centres of power take over. As a part of this you'll be expected to endure public humiliation, grinding poverty and a loss of everything you know and love. You're all with me? Awesome!"

I wouldn't bother arguing with those who've drunk Daily Mail kool aid Violet. Though if she wants to find paedophiles, she'd be better off looking at the upper echelons of government that at migrants!

Eeehhh OP?

Did you say above
Europe has a fundamentally Christian identity.

Surely part of being a Christian is to welcome the poor and needy?

How would Jesus have treated these people?

By the way I'm not religious but just wondering how you can say Europe is Christian and use that to justify Europe acting in an unChristian way?

See this article from the Guardian which makes the point better than I do:
www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/belief/2015/sep/04/christian-politicians-wont-say-it-but-the-bible-is-clear-let-the-refugees-in-every-last-one

I can't understand why everyone can't see the most obvious (to me) and crucially dangerous point! By saying " Europe will take more refugees" we are absolutely guaranteeing 1000 more deaths like the poor children washed up on the beach. We aren't going over to these countries and picking them up! We've just upped the stakes in a sick game of Russian roulette that now says there is even more incentive to pack your wife / children in to a sealed lorry with no air/tiny boat that will sink paying criminals £1000 of pounds. We have now just made human trafficking an even more lucrative criminal enterprise & upped the pressure on every family to take the incomprehensibly dreadful risk of trying to make it here. It's dreadful. Meanwhile, because we are too gutless to address the real problem, (mustn't upset Mr Putin and/or Chinese govt - need the oil/cash flow) these despicable dictators can continue to slaughter 100000 of people in their countries but it's ok ...we'll take in the 1% that somehow make it here (minus the ones that die on the way of course)bio that makes us 'humanitarian' :(

Gasoline there are over 1 million in Lebanon! And 600,000 in Jordan. That is a third of the total - a lot when you consider how many other (much richer) countries there are in the world.

Historically, refugees are whole families fleeing in order to save their lives.

What we are seeing today is an unprecedented gender imbalanced humanitarian crisis where predominantly healthy migrant men flee looking for a better life (economic ) leaving behind the women, elderly, the disabled, the sick and those too poor to pay people traffickers.

I don't need to spell out where most of the help should go, but it's not on the social media radar to do so.

The wealthiest Middle Eastern countries are not taking in refugees because those refugees might upset the political status quo and harbour terrorists in their midst. Amongst other reasons. Although there is a growing backlash against that stance from the world's media.

Can someone explain to me what "western values" are?

The majority of these people are coming from muslim countries, the ones arriving from Syria, north Africa etc. Don't tell me you haven't seen the slow take over that has been happening in many European countries due to our tolerance of other cultures that doesn't occur in muslim countries.

I haven't actually. But then I'm an immigrant myself so no doubt I've "taken over"!

Cerseirys you're right, it's just so infuriating that people can be so ill-informed. And it affects government policy. I'm from Australia, where we've had a refugee 'crisis' for 15 years (ie hysteric response over a tiny influx) and the public has been slowly convinced of harsher and harsher measures and more and more human rights abuses (actively committed by us, not just turning a blind eye to those of another country). It's gotten to the point where no government on either side of politics can change the status quo as it's just accepted that the majority of Australians support it.