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migrants - AIBU to wonder how this will all work out ?

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lovelyconverse123 · 04/09/2015 20:27

My understanding of the migrant crisis is that the majority of the migrants are coming from countries which do not, in any way, share or support Western beliefs/values/way of life. They are now flooding into Western Europe in the hundreds of thousands. Nobody knows who they are or their background in their home country. AIBU to wonder what will be the result of this ?

They are fleeing war/violence etc. AIBU to wonder why, when they reach Hungary, which is a 'safe' country, (although economically depressed), is it not good enough and they are determined to reach Germany, UK, Austria etc ?

AIBU to wonder why the majority of these migrants feel it is acceptable to stampede through European law immigration procedures to reach their chosen country rather than wait and be correctly processed in the 'safe country they have landed in ? Surely if a person has landed in a 'safe' country, after witnessing goodness knows what in their home country, they should respect and adhere to the policies and procedures of that country ?

AIBU to wonder how this will all work out ?

I would like to hear your calm and measured thoughts please................

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CoteDAzur · 05/09/2015 00:17

"AIBU to wonder why, when they reach Hungary, which is a 'safe' country, (although economically depressed), is it not good enough and they are determined to reach Germany, UK, Austria etc ?"

Probably because they would rather try to make a living in a place where there is a strong economy with more jobs, where they have relatives/friends, and/or a language they speak. That's probably not Hungary, Greece, or Bulgaria.

Moreshabbythanchic · 05/09/2015 00:20

Yes, I do care about how women are treated by other cultures especially when they come here and look down on us and the way we treat women and girls in our country. Is it wrong to have no respect for women when they are our daughters and granddaughters. It does matter.

Cerseirys · 05/09/2015 00:21

shabby FGM isn't a "Muslim" thing. It's a cultural practice in some parts of some African countries. So yes, some of them will be Muslim countries but it is by no means something done across the board. It is not practiced in Middle Eastern countries. Male circumcision on the other hand is practiced by most Muslims, and indeed most Jews top.

SansaryaAgain · 05/09/2015 00:24

There's plenty of British men with little respect for women shabby. As I said earlier, do you have any idea how many women are murdered by men each week? Or how many women are likely to be killed by their partners? It would be nice if they could be kicked out of rhe country but sadly that's not an option!

JeffreysMummyisCross · 05/09/2015 00:32

I have been verbally abused, followed, groped, flashed, threatened, spiked and assaulted by various men. Funnily enough, every single one was white native. There has been plenty of news coverage of growing misogyny on social media and what can only be described as a rape culture on university campuses. I really don't think, as a country, we can take the moral high ground on how we treat women.

TheLowKing · 05/09/2015 00:32

What makes me think the media coverage is very muddled is that little Aylan (now Alan?) was brought out of Syria and risked a terrible sea crossing that ended in disaster because, we are told, it was worth it to escape the horror of Syria - and yet we are now being told his remaining family traipsed back to Syria to bury him.

I find this so hard to understand. When my mother as a five year old girl was fleeing the Russian army in 1945, and her own grandmother died during the journey, they had to leave her and just keep going. Going back in to carry out a funeral does not seem to compute with fleeing a war-torn country. Can someone explain?

LilMissSunshine9 · 05/09/2015 00:49

theLowKing there was an interview shown on sky from the Aunt who lives in Canada explaining that Canada has rejected their application, the father needed teeth (apparently he doesn't have them) and because the Aunt could only send money in dribs and drabs she advised them to go to Europe and gave them enough to leave. They were living in Turkey when they made that attempt to cross so they had already fled Syria.

wotoodoo · 05/09/2015 01:01

They were already in a safe place (Turkey) he had been tortured in Kobane and had his teeth pulled out but the Kurds regained control of Kobane making it safe(r) to go back.

He wanted to give his boys a better life. His wife did not want to go on the boat as she could not swim. He convinced her to go and now probably will never forgive himself.

HoursTurnIntoDays · 05/09/2015 01:03

thelowking
I saw a picture of Kobane - the town where Aylan is from earlier today on the news
I wanted to post a picture of it to show you how bad it looks - all turned to rubble - no one could raise children there

Sad Sad
I google imaged 'kobane photo' and the photos that came up are truly stomach churning

  • a man holding the severed head of a pretty looking girl with a long plait
  • a man hanging two very young live boys by their t-shirts off a railing and the boys look in pain - what happened to those boys Sad. They look like they are aged 6 or 7. Did their parents see this man hurting them? Did he kill them?
  • so many men's severed heads in a row
  • images of torture - a man having his eyes gouged while there is blood all around Sad

I wish I had not seen this from the safety of my phone.

If i lived anywhere near where this was happening I would flee with my children - and I would not give one damn about breaking immigration rules

JuJuMun69 · 05/09/2015 01:04

We cannot take these people, sad but true. we cannot continue to take them. this is not the answer.

Ok then, would you actually offer them a home? would you actually say, guess what I have an extra bedroom, they can come to us? so the people that are saying take them are the ones that dont become affected at all by this happening.

JuJuMun69 · 05/09/2015 01:07

Bad terrible things happen all over the world. Terrible. Yet their leaders are on private jets shaking hands with royalty. NO. we cant take them. go through the proper channels.

JuJuMun69 · 05/09/2015 01:09

Would you house a family hours? would you. No you wouldnt.

HoursTurnIntoDays · 05/09/2015 01:09

What are the proper channels if your town is bombed to rubble?

LilMissSunshine9 · 05/09/2015 01:10

They were no longer in Kobane, they have been living in Bodram for a year.. this is a place where people can still book to go on holiday so clearly a safe place. Sorry but it does beg the question that if they were in a safer place why risk it on a boat with no life jackets?

JuJuMun69 · 05/09/2015 01:14

They have many a safe place. It has been been said again and again that they want to get to England. NO.

BertieBotts · 05/09/2015 01:16

Some people are offering their spare bedrooms actually. Not everybody, which is fair, we don't all need to do it, and many can't.

What on earth do you actually think the personal cost to you would be? Without spouting racist bollocks about "values". What values? Most people would offer kindness to an animal if they found it injured, would help a lost child. Why is it so hard for us to offer kindness to people, just because they are far away?

If we can do nothing else we can offer kindness, perhaps with enough of it, the world will begin to change.

JuJuMun69 · 05/09/2015 01:19

these countries need to learn to stand on their own two feet. giving them an out again and again and again doesnt work!

LilMissSunshine9 · 05/09/2015 01:21

The personal cost BertieBotts is that the government is using £100m of taxpayers money to fund aid for them whilst cutting make cancer drug treatments for over 5,000 of its over citizens. I want my taxes to help people in this country first. You think that is right to cut drugs for patients because they say we cannot afford to fund it but suddenly they can find £100m for aid?

HoursTurnIntoDays · 05/09/2015 01:23

juju I would love the opportunity to help a family get back on their feet

At difficult times in my life I've been helped by family and friends. I've been an emigrant who felt lonely and alien in a foreign country - and that was in a county where I spoke the language and could fly back to my comfortable home-country if i changed my mind.

BertieBotts · 05/09/2015 01:24

Oh just read the articles! The family left illegally because they were not being allowed to leave legally. There were no "proper channels".

People aren't stupid just because they are a different colour to you. Of course they know it's horrifically risky getting onto a dodgy boat, climbing on a train, hiding in a refrigerated lorry. DUH. You only do that if you believe it to be your only possible option. You don't do it for kicks or because one country is a tiny bit nicer than another one. Just think about it?

Did you know they aren't even reporting the kid's name right in the media? The name reported is a name he was given by the authorities where they are. It's not the name his parents gave him. Not even allowed to keep your own name. Sounds a lovely welcoming place to stay.

JuJuMun69 · 05/09/2015 01:26

The world is large. England is not. We should not take any more. We are closed.

HoursTurnIntoDays · 05/09/2015 01:27

If we were living back in world war 2 times and Jews were trying to flee the Holocaust would you shut the door juju and tell them to stand on their own two feet

Would you tell jews living in desperate urgent situations that they must submit orderly paperwork to apply for asylum even though there's soldiers knocking at their doors

JuJuMun69 · 05/09/2015 01:27

are you offering a refugee your home bertie? are you offering to feed them and keep them? if not get right off your high horse.

JuJuMun69 · 05/09/2015 01:29

Well do it then Hours. Offer them a bedroom and help them then. It makes me sick how many "do gooders" do jack shite really.

HoursTurnIntoDays · 05/09/2015 01:30

juju you must live a sad life where you can't comprehend that one human might actually want to help another