AIBU to wonder why the hungarian authorities don't allow those people to leave budapest?

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I don't get it, they obviously don't want them there, so why aren't they letting them carry on to Germany like they want to?

I don't understand why they are so desperate to get to Germany, what's wrong with Hungary?

Better conditions in Germany, I guess?

Hungary isn't great on the human rights front. It was 'overlooked' for their entry to the EU.

I'd imagine because Germany seem a little more sympathetic. Given what's been in the news tonight - Hungarian police trying to shunt people into refugee camps - I wouldn't want to stay there either.

Given the number of people won't most countries end up having to have some kind of refugee camps to put people in, even if only temporarily? I'm sure Germany can't have enough empty homes just waiting for these people to move in?

Is it perhaps because German or Austrian authorities asked them to hold back those people? I believe hey don't act on their own judgement alone.

Something to do with the Schengen Agreement I think

But they need to go to camps, there's too many. They are safe and will be cared for. Why endanger their children further

eww, that Hungarian prime minister is horrid. And racist. How the hell did we ever let them into the EU?

camps???!!! really. Wtf.

Well if they need to go to camps then why aren't the Hungarians taking them there?

Didn't they say on the news that it was EU law for them to be registered in Hungary.
It wasn't a good idea to reject the offer of food.

I think it may be 'doing their part' as I'm quite sure that being party of Europe means that they have to follow the Schengen treaty. So, asylum in the first so called safe European country. But Hungary had a semi fascist government and a very poor record on dealing with minorities. I wouldn't want to stay there.

The Hungarian Authorities say they are trying to implement the correct legal requirements as per the Dublin Agreement, but it seems if they stick to the letter of that then the refugees can be returned to Hungary when and if they reach Germany as Hungary will be the first place they requested asylum. Also, it appears that German and Austria have requested border controls to be put in place, Germany has asked Italy to do so, I suspect Austria has requested the Hungarians do so, even though this flies in the face of Schengen.

EU law says they should register in the first safe country they come from but Germany has a far higher acceptance rate of refugee claims than Hungary so they all want to register there

Clean machine, how else would you organise and house this many people all arriving at the same time?
What ever country they go to the govt needs to have some idea of who they are, and what country just has hundreds of empty homes ready to house people? I would think some kind of organised aid camp is better than sleeping on the floor of a train station.

I think it is a tactic to stop people passing through Hungary. If they get registered/ finger printed there Germany can send them back if the try and claim asylum in Germany. Refugees wanting to end up elsewhere will therefore resist passing through Hungary at all costs.

Unfortunately if the numbers keep rising then some refugees will have to accept that they will have to accept asylum in the less desirable EU countries.

In some way I think that people should be registered in Greece/Italy or wherever they land and then quotas should be flown to the other countries with consideration given to family ties in Europe. But we would all have to agree on quotas.

I think Hungary is just totally overwhelmed imagine Waterloo or Victoria station having so many refugees and the more you let through the more will come they can't cope and dealing with he brunt of the issue how would we deal with it

How it's got to this in such a short space of time is unbelievable it's built up over the last few years but nothing like it is this year if what is happening there was happening here we would not be so accommodating we have to look at the root of the problem

Thisis look on the BBC news site about the train the Hungarians took to a camp. The refugees refused to be removed/ forced their way back onto the train. They don't want to go to a camp they want to go to Germany.

They may want to go to Germany but is Germany able to deal with this any better than Hungary? Germany is not just going to let them in, where will they all go when they get to Germany?

I think this shows how the whole system is in chaos within Europe, the left hand doesn't seem to know what the right hand is doing. Germany says "all refugees from Syria will be accepted into Germany", then when people move en masse towards Germany they say "but you still have to abide by the rules and processes", which means registering outside Germany initially, knowing full well that this means that Germany will have the right to return refugees to the first state they were registered in.

It is no way to run a system which has an immediate impact on human beings.

I presume there is a lot of pressure on Hungary from Germany and Austria not to allow them to leave.

And what about the people not from Syria? Not all of them are Syrian.

Hungary is in a very difficult position.

Basically, it would be illegal for Hungary to allow these migrants to travel into the EU. They do not have Schengen visas. Some do not even have passports.

The legal and administrative route these people have if they wish to claim asylum is to claim in the first safe EU country they have entered. The problem is that many of these migrants do not want to do that. They want to claim asylum in Germany because they want to live in Germany, not Hungary. But, legally, they have to claim in Hungary.

Hence the problem.

This is also the reason behind for 24 dead migrants in the van in Austria. They were smuggling themselves across Europe in order to claim asylum in their final destination country.

Ah that explains it then Werks. I was very puzzled as to what exactly was happening there,

thanks

Merkel was reported in the media as saying words that were, ultimately, heard by the people as 'Germany welcomes all.' What she said was not really that and what she said was to make Germany appear to be a leader and probably to shame other countries who were not doing enough or thought Germany was not doing enough.

But to desperate people news travels like wildfire, communicated at the level of shouts and screams. News is polarised to two things and two things only- 'that which will save me' and 'that which will destroy me'. All other news is irrelevant. Germany instantly become the saviour nation in the minds of desperate people and once that happened not even God could undo it.

Why do the Hungarians not allow them to go to Germany? Because Germany asked that they be stopped and the Hungarians agreed. Why did Germany ask? Because having hundreds of thousands of desperate people all descending on Germany all at once would have caused a humanitarian disaster that would have killed people left and right, crowd control would be overwhelmed and people would be trampling and crushing one another to death. Germany could not cope nor can they house all desperate, angry, hungry people who would pour in, it would be utter pandemonium, total social chaos.