AIBU to wonder why the hungarian authorities don't allow those people to leave budapest?

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I don't get it, they obviously don't want them there, so why aren't they letting them carry on to Germany like they want to?

Germany have a falling population and they will take a lot because it will probably be beneficial to them in the long term. They also have much, much less pressure on housing and wages (one income families are the norm).

I think it makes sense for some sort of processing to be done in the country of entry then for the people to be dispersed via the EU wide scheme being planned. Having a camp is probably the most effective and humane way of making sure that food and shelter is available to those who need it.

I can't help feeling that the whole situation would improve if the people entering would just calm down a bit and engage with authorities and go through the proper channels instead of having near riots just because they're being asked to comply with legitimate international law.

Totally agree with werks and kayne. This current pandemonium must be properly managed and Hungary is trying to do the right thing.

If I were fleeing for my life I would be more than happy to be in a safe camp anywhere in Europe, where I can be registered and then allocated to a country. Of course it takes time - but I would be safe.

There are refugees on hunger strike in Hungary now, it is really horrible.

If a quota system is brought in how are we going to deal with refugees that refuse to go the country they are allocated if it is Moldavia,Bulgaria , Hungary etc? Will we force them? Drag them? It is grim.

I can understand completely. I would want my children somewhere where they could get a great education with the possibility of university as well as safe housing and reasonable medical care. But in some ways they become both migrants and refugees at the same time.

The refugees behaviour in Hungary is making me very about their legitimacy. Surely if you're desperate you're desperate and a safe place is a safe place?

Of course they are legitimate but why wouldn't you think longer term about your children and they want both asylum and economic stability but it is an issue we will have to address.

Yes agree with you lunchpack If you were fleeing a country you would go to the first place that would take you. It is fairly disrespectful to the Hungarians to cause so much chaos in their city when they are trying to help all the refugees.

When you're in crisis you sort out the immediate issues first. The primary problem is finding a safe place for the short term. They have that in Hungary. Next step, get processed in an organised manner, join up with other family members who may also have fled, then get processed together and dispersed to an EU country, together.

There are refugees on hunger strike in Hungary now
If you are relying on the charity of others it seems unwise to refuse it because you don't get exactly what you want.
If you are desperate wouldn't you be grateful for anything?
Is it because these people have paid large sums to people traffickers and therefore feel that they should get what they paid for, ie the best possible option??

Yes but if you are a refugee you can't cherry pick which is the best country. You take whichever country accepts you and be thankful. I would imagine Germany will take those from local refugee camps first anyway. If they take refugees who cause this amount of disruption what message would they be sending to other refugees?

I am amazed at how many former refugees are posting on this thread - or maybe you have never been a refugee so the whole 'when you are a refugee' thing is just conjecture

I imagine these people want to get to a place they feel safe - which is what I would do - I speak German so I would feel I could settle and integrate better - it would make sense for me to go there

They don;t have to stay in Hungary

Their reasons may well be valid and understandable, but to onlookers it seems to be a case of 'biting the hand that feeds you'
Public sympathy will wane if that's what the public see?

to this onlooker it just seems like the actions of frightened desperate people

Surely the fastest way to Germany is to play the game? Get processed in an orderly manner, have a short time in a refugee centre, then move on. If they carry on with chaos then I doubt Hungary will remain tolerant for very long and will soon send in the heavies which will only make matters worse.

To this onlooker they're creating their own problems by descending into disorder and chaos.

On the one hand we are horrified by the suffering and the deaths, on the other we are afraid of being invaded and overwhelmed by desperate and angry people ?
A volatile mix of emotions ?

Cameron has done the right thing by taking people from local refugee centres. Are you saying ghosty that only the toughest most aggressive refugees have the right to go to countries like Germany? What about those that are so weak and broken by the conflict they could only manage to get to local centres, should they be left with no future or hope?

no that is not what I am saying - nothing I have posted even hints at that

Well letting those refugees through you may be stopping others that are less able from having a fair chance of asylum.

It's all very easy to sit on your sofa with your iPad, safe and happy, knowing exactly what you would do if you were in their shoes. The reality is somewhat different.

This is a point that seems to be overlooked ALL the time. If you are desperate and fleeing war and persecution then surely you claim asylum in the first safe country you set foot in. For the same reason, I don't get why the refugees/migrants do not claim asylum in France or whichever EU country they first arrived.

You're right, LikeaBadSeth, although I do struggle to understand how the mother in Turkey could have boarded that boat with her two little ones when she must have known there was a very good chance they wouldn't make it.

I to am not sure what I would be thinking apart from getting somewhere my child would be safe

I would love to have this gift of insight that so many seem to have

These people have been in a war they have been living in fear for so long their judgement will not be the same as ours of being thankful of charity and a safe place who is to say they feel safe there and the fear of being sent back must be overwhelmingly terrifying

Because she is fleeing Syria have you not watched or read any news from the last 4 years or the recent actions of Isis they are slaughtering men and boys raping women and girls then slaughtering them bodies are left in the street to remind everyone who is in charge boys as young as eight are ordered to behead family members young girls their virginity sold to highest bidder and they are shackled around like women were in biblical times

How it's got to this state how we have not intervened before is disgraceful but that is another discussion

Yes, but she was in Turkey and, whilst I am sure circumstances were not great, was there an immediate threat to their lives? And yes, it's terrible that we have not intervened.

How the hell did we ever let them into the EU?

Those were my thoughts too when I heard such disgusting, racist remarks from the PM.

It doesn't make any sense for Hungary to keep these people and to prevent them from boarding international trains. Many of them had tickets.