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AIBU to wonder why the hungarian authorities don't allow those people to leave budapest?

175 replies

ThisIsStartingToBoreMe · 03/09/2015 22:02

I don't get it, they obviously don't want them there, so why aren't they letting them carry on to Germany like they want to?

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Moreshabbythanchic · 04/09/2015 12:10

They were originally fleeing Syria but they were safe in a camp in Turkey, no need to take to unsafe boats knowing there was a high risk of drowning.

Strawberryfield12 · 04/09/2015 12:18

Lucked Moldavia isn't part of EU, so nobody would get sent there from Hungary. As someone fleeing my home country to escape repressions or possible death, I would be overjoyed to be safe in any EU country. They cannot expect they will arrive to other country and will start to dictate the locals what they want and if they don't get it, then they would go on strike. Wtf! When you ask for asylum you cannot demand something to those who are trying to help, people seem to have forgotten they should be grateful to be in Hungary or in EU at all.

EnthusiasmDisturbed · 04/09/2015 12:20

Isis have a strong hold on the borders of Turkey

Turkey have been accused of colluding with Isis

londonrach · 04/09/2015 12:21

Does anyone knows what happened to that train of people?

Moreshabbythanchic · 04/09/2015 12:24

I think they are still on the train, refusing food and water.

ghostyslovesheep · 04/09/2015 12:28

they family where Kurds - Turkey would not grant them refugee status (despite 11 of the family members being killed by ISIS and the father having his teeth pulled out by them) they where going to be sent back - this is why they got on the boat - because the alternative was worse

Werksallhourz · 04/09/2015 12:37

"Of course they are legitimate".

Unfortunately, not all of them are. There are significant numbers of Balkan and Indian subcontinental nationals also attempting to claim asylum in Germany that are using the same routes for travel.

These people haven't a chance of being granted asylum in Germany, but they are still trying their luck. I've heard reports that hardly any of the displaced people in Hungary are actually Syrians.

Incidentally, this is why Merkel is demanding a review of the safe countries list to include all balkan states. This is why these people must be processed for asylum in Hungary and this is, incidentally, why many of them don't want to be processed in Hungary - - because they would not be valid for asylum on the EU.

SoThisIsSummer · 04/09/2015 13:35

so werks - I guess the new idea being bandied around that we take refugees from camps bordering syria would help to make sure we are taking genuine refugees?

Werksallhourz · 04/09/2015 14:49

sothisissummer ... if they want to claim asylum in Britain, yes. Some may not want to. They may wish to remain in Turkey and Lebanon.

Asylum processing could take place in these border camps, so long as the Turkish and Lebanese government agree to it, which they may not do for certain reasons.

Incidentally, this is the approach Cameron wants to take.

However, you would still have a Central and Southern European migratory problem.

SoThatwasSummer · 04/09/2015 14:59

Incidentally, this is the approach Cameron wants to take

yes I know why I was asking you.

Films going round of laddish migrants in Budapest not behaving well, I hope we get genuine refugees, women and children.

hantslass1 · 04/09/2015 15:00

My understanding is that the Germans want the Hungarians to register the refugees before they leave Hungary. I expect that even the Germans want to do some kind of however limited screening before they take them.

A lot of them are from the Balkans as someone else has mentioned and are not refugees from wartorn countries. If they want to work in Germany they need to go via the right channels. As someone said on another thread, a lot of Brits would like to live in the US or Australia, but if you don't have the right skills it's tough.

I don't agree with Cameron on a lot of things but I agree with us taking refugees directly from the camps in Turkey/Lebanon/Jordan - with some sort of screening to ensure that those who come here are willing to live here peacefully and in accordance with our cultural norms. Going on hunger strike because you don't get your own way when the request that has been made is perfectly reasonable does not bode well for their later integration in Germany.

SoThatwasSummer · 04/09/2015 15:03

with some sort of screening

yes to make sure we are getting people in need and people who are not isis.

Werksallhourz · 04/09/2015 15:57

Sothisissummer The thing is that something is going to have to be agreed in terms of certain border camps anyway because, if the situation in Syria continues, Lebanon will no longer be able to cope. There are already protests in Beirut about refuse.

And there is a history of refugee populations in Lebanon pulling the Lebanese into civil or trans-national war. If Lebanon falls into a repeat of the 80s with war in Syria alongside ... the potential for the entire Middle East to go up in flames is high.

And considering the EU is edging very close to war with Russia, and all that clusterfuck with the Gulf vs Russia's-backed Assad, and the Ukraine and how it pulls in the Chinese who are rather itchy because they had purchased Ukrainian land in order to feed their burgeoning Chinese population, and those bloody gas fields in the Eastern Med where everyone wants a piece of the pie, we could be looking at a "world war" scenario.

This is how serious this shit is.

And, fundamentally, Britain should retain capacity to be able to offer asylum to certain strategic populations should this occur. Cyprus is only 60 miles from Lebanon and Britain has military and strategic bases there, so the island would be a target. Imv, Britain would have an obligation to offer asylum to the Cypriot population in such a situation.

These things must be considered.

Again, Britain needs to ensure viable provision for any refugees. As an illustrative example, the way that Iraqi interpreters for the British Army were settled in Britain was atrocious. Some Iraqi families ended up living in high-rises that should have been demolished years ago, surrounded by hard-core criminals and heroine addicts.

SoThatwasSummer · 04/09/2015 16:43

Thank you werk wonderful informative posts Smile but also - terrifying.

Chipstick10 · 04/09/2015 16:46

Hungary are following the law, the lawless behaviour of the migrants is shocking . They need to be processed not wonder through countries with no papers

Moreshabbythanchic · 04/09/2015 17:16

Refugee = someone who seeks refuge.

It seems to me that for these people refuge is not enough. They are very demanding and ungrateful and I am wondering what they will do when they reach their destination and find that they are not given everything they want.

KanyeWestPresidentForLife · 04/09/2015 17:23

I am really, really in favour of the idea of taking refugees from the camps neighbouring Syria. In reality this is where those most in need of help are going to be.

We should be asking people from aids agencies on the ground to identify the victims of rape and torture, those who have been involved in resistance and are high risk, those who have urgent health problems, those like Christians and Yazidi who are in ultra high risk groups.

That's who we should be giving asylum to, not those who are healthy, wealthy and ruthless enough to trek across the world and break into Europe.

Moreshabbythanchic · 04/09/2015 17:29

I agree Kanye, I can't believe some of them are prepared to walk nearly 100 miles with little children because they are not prepared to abide by the rules. I'm sure if anything happens to those children the Hungarians will be blamed.

suzannefollowmyvan · 04/09/2015 17:46

trek across the world and break into Europe

thats quite a powerful phrase isnt it?
and quite a shift from sympathy for those fleeing tyranny to outrage to, well the phrase 'breaking in' alludes to burglary, theft

not criticizing, just making an observation

it feels as if we are all being jerked around by the media poking us with different sticks to elicit different knee jerks

suzannefollowmyvan · 04/09/2015 17:47

*outrage at

TheSpectator · 04/09/2015 18:24

I totally agree with LunchpackOfNotreDame

If I was fleeing from persecution, on arrival in a safe country I would accept the need to be processed before being allowed to move on, not climb over my fellow countrymen to get onto a train and then refuse food and water when told the train would not be going to Germany.

I've just read that one 23 year old male didn't want to be registered in Hungary so he removed his fingerprints with acid. Unless you have something to hide why would you do that?

Also, why do 90% of the refugees in Hungary appear to be male?

suzannefollowmyvan · 04/09/2015 18:37

Bit of a theme of looking a gift horse in the mouth developing ?

Palehorse · 04/09/2015 18:40

"those who are healthy, wealthy and ruthless enough to trek across the world and break into Europe"

That's such a depressing statement, i despair at the lack of compassion. Healthy and wealthy? If they had that much money they'd not be walking or desperately trying to board trains. Look at the images coming out of Hungary, many are on crutches, in wheelchairs etc.
And ruthless?? These people are escaping conditions you couldn't imagine in your worst nightmares, desperate enough to do anything to get themselves and families safe.
I'm sorry they're not the right kind of refugees migrants according to your scale of deserving victims

Palehorse · 04/09/2015 18:44

The refugees are being attacked by fascist skinheads in the station; does that sounds like somewhere anyone would want to seek aid and settle.
Mean while, German football fans are rolling out banners to welcome people. Where would you choose to go if you were fleeing persecution and war?

Moreshabbythanchic · 04/09/2015 18:45

I, for one might be a bit more sympathetic if they at least looked to be a bit grateful for being given refuge, food and water.