AIBU to wonder why the hungarian authorities don't allow those people to leave budapest?

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I don't get it, they obviously don't want them there, so why aren't they letting them carry on to Germany like they want to?

Nor all the lovely lefties saying let them all in.

Distribute them fairly throughout Europe and our share throughout the UK. But that won't happen. It'll be the usual towns and cities where they'll end up and will no doubt be another homeless statistic

It makes you wonder if a fair quota system would work anyway in Europe. The idea that each European country would take a portion of the migrants sounds sensible, but what happens when people refuse to be settled in poorer countries and demand to go to Germany/Sweden etc?

Oh, this thread started off quite measured and informative.
Now it's turning into a bunfight

Again all it will do is impact on those who really need the help . Then when said voters turn to say ukip it will be because they are stupid ignorant bigots, not because of any forced upon them immigration. It won't impact on mr and mrs balls or saint bob, they can afford it.

The only ukip MP is in an area of major deprivation that is the nations dumping ground for shite no council wants to deal with. Put enough pressure on a town and they will bite back sadly.

JadedJack, yours is a fair point.

The people on that train aren't behaving particularly well, no. But we know nothing of them or their lives, there is no possible way that we can make an even vaguely accurate judgement on them, and there's no way that anyone here could say they wouldn't do similar in the same circumstances.

BMW6 - that is a massive assumption to make. You could just as easily jump to the conclusion that they don't want to be fingerprinted because if they are then they won't be able to claim asylum in a country where they fell they have a chance of having a life with some prospects. Maybe it's that important to them to get to where they promised their weeping mothers they would get to when they left, so that they could send for their families and provide them with some sort of a life that didn't involve living in a camp where fights break out at a moments notice because emotions run so high, where there isn't illness and disease in every other family.

Maybe a minority do have dodgy backgrounds, but those who still want to be helping Isis would either be staying put or paying to visit other countries like most of us can do.

Plenty of people who are going without in this country but they don't bully and intimidate to get what they want. So take your sanctimonious attitude and stick it.

No one in this country goes without to anywhere near the same extent as people who had had to flee their homes in Syria or Palestine. The people who are fully supported by the state in this country live in royal luxury compared to what these people have come from, where they barely even have enough water half the time. So they have no need to physically bully anyone, but I'm not sure that being a bit mouthy to armed soldiers can really count as bullying anyway.

And again, you have no idea how anyone from this country would behave if we were faced with the same.

We are lucky enough that we are highly unlikely to ever have to find iut.

Moreshabby go and froth on the dm website many like minded people like yourself who have no empathy there you will enjoy it

Give your head a wobble Enthusiam.....I for one lose empathy when people break the law and become grabby rather than accepting what is offered for now. I suspect a whole lot of empathy has been lost by the behaviour of the train protesters. They were safe. They were to be given shelter and food in a safe place while they were processed legally. Not good enough for them though.....

These are families, as is the case with aylan and galip's parents, who were able to afford 5000euros for passage to Europe. That's more money than many people in Europe have in their households. To then say they have a right to access a wealthy country. No. They have a right to be safe. Europe is safe. They get processed and dispersed fairly throughout the continent so no one country has to bear the brunt.

I wonder if they can all be directed and taken to to one central place. where we can all send aid and help - as well as have it there anyway, direct and tell all new refugees to go there and from there, get all the countries who will take, to start processing? so rather than people panicking or travelling, get them to one place?

I'm interested to know how they got to Budapest?
Do they have passports? Are they trying to buy train tickets, I mean do they have money with them?
And the people on the ferries to Greek Islands - are they legally moving or are they 'stowaways' for the want of a better word.

I really feel like the news coverage of this crisis is hysterical rather than informative.

Why has it come to a head this last month? Or is it just that it's not been reported so I haven't been aware?

Osolea

Some months ago IS released a statement saying that they would infiltrate Europe through the refugee routes, in great numbers. They promised to bring carnage and terror into Europe. The attack on Charlie Hebdo involved 3 or 4 people? Imagine what a couple of hundred would do.

Do you doubt that they would love to achieve this? All these young men, with no ID, not wanting to be fingerprinted or questioned about their previous activities......

You may be prepared to accept the risk - I am not.

enthusia I'll stay here thanks, if its all the same to you, I am allowed my opinion just as much as you are.

I'm am of the opinion that most of the 'migrants' are refugees fleeing for their lives.
I've always maintained my stance that you don't get on a boat/travel across countries with no end point risking your life unless you are absolutely convinced you will die anyway.

However the situation is out of control.

That you tube clip tells so many stories. Angry men who want the best for their family, violent men we don't want population Europe, staring children happy with food and skipping across the station, starving children getting food and then men shutting the windows and who knows if they ate it and/or if anymore children went without.

I'm not sure anyone truly knows or understands their ultimate motivation with this behaviour. These people had fled for their lives (as they say) and yet are willing to risk it further through dehydration and starvation.

Why? We can only speculate to the reason, many theories seem plausible - from those who support and who don't support the refugees.

IMO the only thing we know for sure is that the situation is out of control and the risks for this war to become European and possibly world spread is increasing.

Maybe they would like to achieve that, I don't know.

But I don't think we can let others, especially terrorist groups as awful as Isis, dictate how we behave.

We are in control of how we treat other people, and other people's cruelty isn't an excuse for us to do the same.

No one in this country goes without to anywhere near the same extent as people who had had to flee their homes in Syria or Palestine. The people who are fully supported by the state in this country live in royal luxury compared to what these people have come from, where they barely even have enough water half the time

Oh I have to challenge you there. There is an underclass of abused and neglected children in the UK which is shaming us on the world stage. All this crisis has put our governments shame nicely on the back burner.

I will not forget it though. Children abused by everyone they have ever come into contact with then let down by everyone too.

I am sorry but I cant let you minimilise these children's plight. And its still going on inspite of the Scandals coming to light, the gov has admitted childrens homes are still NOT SAFE.

In no way should it be a case of either or - but this out pouring does surprise me, I would have liked to have seen the same out cry when we heard about Rotheram, Oxford and so on coming out.

I would have liked to see people in the streets, offering shelter and so on to all the victims of abuse, put into our care system where they found un imaginable pain and deprivation.

If you gave it some real thought what they have left (everything family members they may never see again) what they have given up what they have sold so they may have a chance to live without the constant fear of rape/torture/death fear that they feel for their children their parents they have had to leave behind and now they are feeling trapped fearing they will be sent back, and all that is bothering you is they not being grateful we are not welcoming happy tourists these are desperate people who are emotionally and physically in turmoil they need to feel safe it's a basic human need

Just keep thinking of Aylan Kurdi that picture tells a million stories

Maybe they would like to achieve that, I don't know

What do you think ISIS want to achieve, they have not hidden their aims

They are itching to attack us, they want the ISIS flag over Bucks house, they want to kill all the infidels and create the caliphate over the whole world.

Its no secret, they do attack people, they have attacked people.

I totally agree we cant let people rot and die but at the same time, our governments job is to protect us. They must do all they can to make sure the people who come here are not going to open fire and slaughter us on the streets.

I would rather go back and get the older women and men, the women and children these men have left behind.

Summer, as awful as things like Rotherham are, it's not the same. The level of suffering experienced by individuals might be similar, but you are comparing apples and pears. I'm not minimising what can happen here when our systems fail, or when individual parents fail, it is awful, but at least there is a system in place to be able to fail. You just can't compare the situations.

telegraph article
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/11842760/Prepare-yourselves-The-Great-Migration-will-be-with-us-for-decades.html

this is not simply a refugee crisis. The world’s poor are on the move because they’re not quite so poor as they used to be, and can afford to travel. A great migration has begun, and it could be with us for decades

What will happen once this group of 1000+ people who are walking to the Austrian border arrive there? Will they be allowed through? It's not been made clear, but if it's true that Austria and Germany have asked Hungary to follow EU rules about asylum processing (is that true?), then won't they close the border until the necessary paperwork has been done?

Migration for a better life has always made people move that's how America was built

Wealth will not protect you from Isis or other terrifying regimes it just might help you get away quicker and maybe at times not take such a perilous route

That article is very interesting. It summarises how I feel but in a more factual manner.

These refugees/migrants are fleeing for their safety and future. They are risking their lives doing so. I maintain you'd only do this if you believe you will die anyway staying put.

The media stories are heartbreaking and really tug on the heartstrings and human compassion compels most people to want to help and take in refugees.

However the reality is that there is no short term, quick and easy solution to this problem. No real exact understanding of many of the migrants and refugees ultimate goal. No real understanding or way of knowing where these migrants are travelling from, where they aim to go and who they are - including if they have links with ISIS.

The situation is out of control and utterly terrifying.

I heard on the news yesterday that last year Hungry refused over 90% of asylum seekers requests to stay in Hungry. So you can't blame them for not wanting to be registered in Hungry.
They are going to be sent right back to Syria if they register there!

I feel sick to my stomach wondering how many undesirables are getting through to Europe

Where is the rest of the world? These souls desperate not to be murdered by ISIS should be shared around the (safe) globe, not just Europe. Why Europe anyway?

Where are mega rich Saudi? North America? South America? Canada? New Zealand? Australia? Japan? China? Russia? etc.