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Tension with fiance over wedding guest list - who is BU?

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RunningUpThatHillAgain · 19/08/2015 10:12

I’m getting married next month and at the time of sending the invites in June, his youngest brother (26) was single. In the entire 5 years I have known him, he’s never had a girlfriend lasting more than a couple of months – I’ve seen him get attached extremely quickly then heartbroken when the girl ends it numerous times. He’s got a big heart, but very old-fashioned sensibilities such as wanting a woman to stay at home while he takes care of them, and TBH I think it’s scared them off. He’s never been diagnosed, but I strongly suspect he is on the autistic spectrum and he still lives at home with his parents. Not sure how much of that is relevant to my question but didn’t want to drip feed.

Anyway, a couple of weeks ago, he calls my OH asking whether his new “partner” of 2 months can come to our wedding – he said if money was the issue he would pay for her. OH and I talked it over and I said I wasn’t comfortable with this. If indeed she was his partner, not a new girlfriend it would be a different (OH has 3 other siblings who are either married or in long term relationships and they are naturally invited) but the cynic in me thinks in all likelihood the brother and his girlfriend might have split up by the wedding. OH and I have met her twice at family BBQs, but we never actually spoke to each other – she was preoccupied with her 18 month old son who OH’s DB sees as his own, even after such a short space of time. Being nosy, I had a look at her Facebook profile – it’s all duck-face pouts at that “flattering” angle to disguise the fact she is morbidly obese exactly the kind of photos that make me cringe.

So I gave OH the following reasons why I wasn’t comfortable with her coming to the day do:

  1. I have already confirmed the wedding breakfast seating plan with the venue and tables seat a max. of 9. There are already 9 people around OH’s family table and either 8 or 9 on other tables, meaning OH’s brother and his girlfriend would either have to sit separately or I would have to split up other families so they could sit together.
  2. I feel self conscious enough about walking down the aisle already without sharing this moment with people who mean nothing to me.
  3. I don’t want someone I barely know in the family wedding photos who in my eyes isn’t family especially if she is pouting

OH seemed to understand point 1, thought I was being daft about point 2 and didn’t get point 3 at all. As a compromise I suggested that she was welcome to come to the evening do instead. OH reluctantly accepted, phoned his DB and told him this, giving the reason that we were full to capacity for the day do (which strictly we’re not, but we wanted to spare DB’s feelings) However as OH came off the phone he had tears in his eyes and said he felt he had let his DB down, which he said I didn’t understand because I’m an only child. I could see his point, but felt that my reasons were equally valid.

I thought the matter was closed, until a week later when OH’s DM phoned him up saying she didn’t think he was right that DB’s girlfriend wasn’t invited to the day do because it was sending out a message that we weren’t accepting her as part of the family and “it’s ridiculous that you can’t squeeze her in”, etc. OH didn’t tell me about this phone call for several days, during which time he was subdued and I literally had to worm it out of him what the problem was. He said he’d realised that he agreed with his DM and that it was “mean spirited” of me not to want DB’s girlfriend there and he couldn’t believe I had it in me to be like that. I told him that I had confided in two friends and my parents about it and they completely saw my point of view. OH now seems to think the reason I don’t want her to be in the photos is because she is obese (which I stress is not the reason!) and this makes me a “horrible person”. A huge row ensued, him saying “if she’s not coming, the wedding’s off!” me standing my ground. I couldn’t believe the way he was reacting – we’ve managed to plan the entire wedding so far without a single disagreement and in general we barely row at all, let alone about things so ridiculous.

OH did later apologise profusely later that day for laying down an ultimatum, as this has never been the dynamic of our relationship before. It makes me feel terribly sad because in my eyes this is detracting from what should really be important about our big day – the two of us saying our vows in an intimate setting with the people we really care about.

Fast forward another week and OH’s DM came to visit yesterday. I simply couldn’t face the Spanish inquisition about why DB’s girlfriend could only come to the evening do, so I spent the afternoon with my own parents instead to avoid a confrontation. When I came home OH was in a weird mood and it was obvious that something had been mentioned about it. As it stands, DB’s girlfriend is still not invited to the day do and I have no intention of being bullied into changing my mind. Today is the 5th anniversary of OH and I getting together and we’re supposed to be celebrating, but instead there is a tense atmosphere in the house. So am I being unreasonable or is OH? My family agree with me, his agree with him – objective opinions please!

OP posts:
Reubs15 · 19/08/2015 19:51

I think your oh is right in saying you have a problem with her because of her weight. Your comments about her were unnecessary and just make you sound awful.
If it will make your oh happy isn't that important? If not then I would seriously reconsider marrying him

CrystalCove · 19/08/2015 19:52

Were you happy with the guest ratio split before this?

slithytove · 19/08/2015 19:54

And I'd reiterate your last point to oh as well.

Especially if those closest friends are as good as siblings.

A week to go, a stranger with 2 months family ties has no right to be the 27 th guest at a tiny wedding.

Gutted for you that your OH isn't supporting you. Be aware of more guilting you in the future if you clash with his family... Like when you have kids.

slithytove · 19/08/2015 19:55

An important part of his life after 2 months? When he has form for dating and dumping?

Unlikely.

slithytove · 19/08/2015 19:56

Reubs, her OH doesn't seem bothered about making OP happy.

Though I agree with you on the reconsidering marriage. But for different reasons.

Op, I'm sorry - alarm bells are ringing for me with your fiancé.

merrymouse · 19/08/2015 20:09

People are often closer to friends than family and distant relatives than close relatives.

The groom's family seem to be sticking to a guest list formula that isn't appropriate for a very small wedding and completely disregarding the fact that many people haven't been invited to the ceremony.

At a wedding this small most people will be invited to the evening do.

BolshierAyraStark · 19/08/2015 20:22

Nope, I don't think YABU. The attitude of your OH would have me worried if I was you...

2rebecca · 19/08/2015 20:36

You decide how many guests you have. You get half the places each to allocate as you choose. Mutual friends you decide together. Sorted.

Freeble · 19/08/2015 21:06

Yabu, however you put it.

Fact

dejarderoncar · 19/08/2015 21:16

LTB

Bluecheese22 · 19/08/2015 21:22

I'm going against the grain but I wouldn't want someone there who I didn't know. Or like! My ex's mum had a pic up on the wall of her 3 sons and their partners/wives at the time at the eldests wedding but as she was on all the family photos his mum refused to take them down. So I wouldn't let her come either!

CrapBag · 19/08/2015 23:10

YANBU.

Why should you invite someone your future BIL is dating. That's all it is at this stage.

I got married when I was young. My cousin wanted her BF to be invited (she was 17). I said no because if we gave her a plus 1, we'd have to do it for the others and I have a lot of cousins. She lied to my aunt saying I'd invited her BF, then she tried to corner me and get me to invite him by saying "X can't come can he" knowing full well what the answer was. She then went back to my aunt and told her I now said he couldn't come. Que whole family fallout, 6 members of my family refused to attend my wedding because I didn't invite a 17 year olds boyfriend, who I'd never met, she hadn't been with for long and I knew she had cheated on. My relationship with some of those has never recovered but I don't regret it for a second. I refused to be pushed into something good where other people think they have a right to stick their oar in where it isn't wanted. Funnily enough they didn't stay together long anyway.

Don't back down. Saying she can come to the evening is a good compromise. I don't lie the sounds of your ILs (your DF isn't coming out smelling of roses either).

simonettavespucci · 20/08/2015 00:02

You are getting flak because of the comments about the gf being obese and duck-faced, which were kind of mean.

But YANBU not to want to invite a gf of 2 months to a 26 person wedding.

If I were the gf in question I wouldn't be remotely offended. Whoever is kicking up the fuss about it is BU. Is it possible that is the DB and the family has a habit of just accepting his over the top behaviour about GFs and so you are challenging their coping mechanism? It might explain the over reaction from them.

I'm sorry you have had such difficult life experiences by the way Flowers.

simonettavespucci · 20/08/2015 00:25

In fact I wouldn't just not be offended, I would probably be relieved, as dealing with the entire family of someone you've only been dating eight weeks seems quite daunting.

The GF may not be the one pushing for the invite - maybe she's just as bemused as you.

shiteforbrains · 20/08/2015 00:25

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sleeponeday · 20/08/2015 00:41

The funny thing about this OP is you include a ton of info that isn't relevant, and then you miss out this:

you're not allowed to invite your closest relatives because it wouldn't be fair on your husband's large family, yet you are under pressure to invite a girlfriend you barely know.

You can't ask more than two members of your own family, you can't be allowed to split family invite shares 50/50 or his family might kick off, and you can't invite the DHs of your best friends, despite knowing and liking them, because of space... but you're being bullied into asking someone you barely know to this tiny and intimate wedding, because she's been dating one of your fiance's sibs for 8 weeks, instead?

If this OP were phrased differently at the start you would not be getting this response. A big wedding with plenty of room, and YABU. A small with your already having to forgo almost all of your family, and they are IMO taking the piss expecting you to accommodate this one. YANBU in my view, except in posting as you did in your OP (I thought you were grossly unreasonable from that!).

sleeponeday · 20/08/2015 00:43

Oh, but though I don't think you're being unreasonable, I do think you have to ask her. Sorry, but for the reasons below it would be a really bad idea to be stubborn on this.

To keep your marriage brimming, With love in the loving cup,
Whenever you're wrong, admit it; Whenever you're right, shut up."

True story.

BoyFromTheBigBadCity · 20/08/2015 01:39

I think what's relevant here is that the brothers didn't get a +1 on his invite - it's not like he wouldn't know anyone. Also, saying 'rewrite the guest list' - the point is that invitations have already gone out. Who should be uninvited for a gf of 8 weeks?

HicDraconis · 20/08/2015 02:01

YANBU at all. Especially in light of later info, but you weren't being unreasonable from your OP either!

Your DH's brother's short term girlfriend may become your SiL. In which case you can get to know her over the next few years. Or she may (most likely) not, in which case you have a relative stranger in your photos who will remain that way.

Not sure if invites have already gone out but in your shoes I'd say - fine. 26 people including us and 10 friends drops to 14 people. That's 7 from each side of the family - if you want to include her in your 7 go ahead. Here are my 7 family members I would like to invite.

TerrorAustralis · 20/08/2015 05:26

FWIW, we are on a tight budget

This doesn't wash. You said in the OP that BIL offered to pay for his GF.

I got married more than 10 years ago. To my shame, I told DH that I didn't want certain friends of his in the bridal party. And yes, part of my concern was photos. I didn't think I was being a bridezilla - but this really was my bridezilla moment. I regret it. The photos don't matter. We don't have any bridal party photos on display anyway.

Invite the woman, let BIL pay. Have her in a couple of photos. It's not worth all the angst.

rollercoasterchicken · 20/08/2015 06:10

Just tell the photographer you want no pouting photos! ANd WHO you want photos of.

But I actually think yanbu - she can come to the evening!

MythicalKings · 20/08/2015 06:36

YANBU. He'd probably want her child to come as well and that would mess the numbers up even more.

I knew everyone who came to our wedding, that's how it should be.

anklebitersmum · 20/08/2015 06:48

YANBU.

She wasn't around to be invited when the original invites were issued, it's a very small wedding and the BiL to be wasn't issued a plus one invite.

Duck-facing rotundness aside it's very rude of the BiL to ask in the first place and absolutely disgusting behaviour on everyone's part to start a bun fight over it.

Quite frankly I think your fiance and you need to have a good, long, honest talk about being a united front as regards family demands, even if you 'discuss loudly' privately! Wink

londonrach · 20/08/2015 07:15

Yabu. Its your fiances wedding and its his brother. You have said some horrible things about a person you dont know. Even if you think this relationship doesnt last its going on now and as the partner of your fiances brother of course she should be invited.

ollieplimsoles · 20/08/2015 07:49

I'm sorry but yanbu!

I was really nervous to walk down the aisle and my small venue only allowed 30 guests with 16 seated. I had our grandparents, parents, siblings and cousins. I'm close to my cousins but dh isn't and we couldn't invite one side without the other. One of dhs cousins had been with this guy for a couple of months and we planned not to invite him- then she announced she was pregnant...

Despite my protests we ended up having to include some guy we had never met, because he had got her pregnant. He took a chair up at the ceremony and dh's grandad was standing at the back! He annoyed people at the party afterward too- they broke up not long after!

I so wish I has stuck to my guns, even if they had stayed together, we didn't know this guy at all and we had to pay money (that was really tight) to include him in our small wedding because dhs cousin threw a strop!

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