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Tension with fiance over wedding guest list - who is BU?

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RunningUpThatHillAgain · 19/08/2015 10:12

I’m getting married next month and at the time of sending the invites in June, his youngest brother (26) was single. In the entire 5 years I have known him, he’s never had a girlfriend lasting more than a couple of months – I’ve seen him get attached extremely quickly then heartbroken when the girl ends it numerous times. He’s got a big heart, but very old-fashioned sensibilities such as wanting a woman to stay at home while he takes care of them, and TBH I think it’s scared them off. He’s never been diagnosed, but I strongly suspect he is on the autistic spectrum and he still lives at home with his parents. Not sure how much of that is relevant to my question but didn’t want to drip feed.

Anyway, a couple of weeks ago, he calls my OH asking whether his new “partner” of 2 months can come to our wedding – he said if money was the issue he would pay for her. OH and I talked it over and I said I wasn’t comfortable with this. If indeed she was his partner, not a new girlfriend it would be a different (OH has 3 other siblings who are either married or in long term relationships and they are naturally invited) but the cynic in me thinks in all likelihood the brother and his girlfriend might have split up by the wedding. OH and I have met her twice at family BBQs, but we never actually spoke to each other – she was preoccupied with her 18 month old son who OH’s DB sees as his own, even after such a short space of time. Being nosy, I had a look at her Facebook profile – it’s all duck-face pouts at that “flattering” angle to disguise the fact she is morbidly obese exactly the kind of photos that make me cringe.

So I gave OH the following reasons why I wasn’t comfortable with her coming to the day do:

  1. I have already confirmed the wedding breakfast seating plan with the venue and tables seat a max. of 9. There are already 9 people around OH’s family table and either 8 or 9 on other tables, meaning OH’s brother and his girlfriend would either have to sit separately or I would have to split up other families so they could sit together.
  2. I feel self conscious enough about walking down the aisle already without sharing this moment with people who mean nothing to me.
  3. I don’t want someone I barely know in the family wedding photos who in my eyes isn’t family especially if she is pouting

OH seemed to understand point 1, thought I was being daft about point 2 and didn’t get point 3 at all. As a compromise I suggested that she was welcome to come to the evening do instead. OH reluctantly accepted, phoned his DB and told him this, giving the reason that we were full to capacity for the day do (which strictly we’re not, but we wanted to spare DB’s feelings) However as OH came off the phone he had tears in his eyes and said he felt he had let his DB down, which he said I didn’t understand because I’m an only child. I could see his point, but felt that my reasons were equally valid.

I thought the matter was closed, until a week later when OH’s DM phoned him up saying she didn’t think he was right that DB’s girlfriend wasn’t invited to the day do because it was sending out a message that we weren’t accepting her as part of the family and “it’s ridiculous that you can’t squeeze her in”, etc. OH didn’t tell me about this phone call for several days, during which time he was subdued and I literally had to worm it out of him what the problem was. He said he’d realised that he agreed with his DM and that it was “mean spirited” of me not to want DB’s girlfriend there and he couldn’t believe I had it in me to be like that. I told him that I had confided in two friends and my parents about it and they completely saw my point of view. OH now seems to think the reason I don’t want her to be in the photos is because she is obese (which I stress is not the reason!) and this makes me a “horrible person”. A huge row ensued, him saying “if she’s not coming, the wedding’s off!” me standing my ground. I couldn’t believe the way he was reacting – we’ve managed to plan the entire wedding so far without a single disagreement and in general we barely row at all, let alone about things so ridiculous.

OH did later apologise profusely later that day for laying down an ultimatum, as this has never been the dynamic of our relationship before. It makes me feel terribly sad because in my eyes this is detracting from what should really be important about our big day – the two of us saying our vows in an intimate setting with the people we really care about.

Fast forward another week and OH’s DM came to visit yesterday. I simply couldn’t face the Spanish inquisition about why DB’s girlfriend could only come to the evening do, so I spent the afternoon with my own parents instead to avoid a confrontation. When I came home OH was in a weird mood and it was obvious that something had been mentioned about it. As it stands, DB’s girlfriend is still not invited to the day do and I have no intention of being bullied into changing my mind. Today is the 5th anniversary of OH and I getting together and we’re supposed to be celebrating, but instead there is a tense atmosphere in the house. So am I being unreasonable or is OH? My family agree with me, his agree with him – objective opinions please!

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Marynary · 19/08/2015 15:31

If you don't want to invite her because you have 2 guests and the rest are taken up by your DP's family YANBU...but this is not what you said. You said you don't want to invite her because you think their relationship won't last - irrelevant and none of your business - and because she is obese and pouts so will ruin your photos - mean and unpleasant, so YABU.

I totally agree.

ovenchips · 19/08/2015 15:44

Is OP only having 2 guests? I don't think so. She is having 2 family members. Her OH is having 11 family members and the rest are friends.

I've just re-read the OP's posts and that's what she says. If you also reread her original post there is not one solitary mention of not wanting the brother's girlfriend there because the OP is only having 2 family members. That's a big thing not to mention if it was your main issue, isn't it?

SugarOnTop · 19/08/2015 15:48

we are on a tight budget...only 2 people are coming from my family, there's already 11 coming from his. I've not invited many good friends of mine because of this... I feel I have already compromised a lot with the guest list and this feels like a compromise too far

i think it is a compromise too far. Your dp and mil are bullying you - DON'T GIVE IN TO THEM! If they can behave like dicks over bil latest shag piece imagine what they will be like later on down the line if you set the precedent of 'giving in' to them now.

If your dp and mil believe it's ok to have 'one more' guest then why were your friends not given first refusal?

LovesYoungDream · 19/08/2015 15:58

I would let her come as his +1 but not let her in the family photos. If they do break up before the wedding it won't be a problem. Tell bil in advance about the seating for breakfast

samG76 · 19/08/2015 16:25

Sorry, YABU. Mind you, I told a cousin that her boyfriend wouldn't be invited unless he proposed. He did, and got the invite. Would have been different with a sibling, though.

HerRoyalNotness · 19/08/2015 16:49

You are not vile, disgusting, a bridezilla or selfish or any of the other named you've been called in this thread.

If you had left out irrelevant info in your OP, I think this would have gone a different way.

I think your IL and especially fiance are being extremely unreasonable. Despicable of your P to threaten to not marry you.

The invite to the evening do for a girlfriend of 8 weeks is quite sufficient and is the compromise between not inviting her at all, or inviting her to the reception.

bigbumtheory · 19/08/2015 17:37

I wouldn't invite her, purely because you've only got 2 of your family coming vs 11 of his and you've said space is very tight. If you have someone close in your family/friends I'd gone for them over a new relationship of a sibling. If you do invite her then it's very his-family heavy and if you've had to cut down because of cost on your loved ones then he is being vv unreasonable.

diddl · 19/08/2015 17:39

OP, had it occurred to your fiance to invite this gfriend before he was asked to by his brother?

MyNewAccount · 19/08/2015 17:49

I'd just let her come and not worry about it. If your OH wants to invite then why don't you let him. It's his family after all. It's a big positive that your OHs DB offered to pay for his girlfriend.

If you want to invite more family then that's another matter.

I honestly don't think you will care on your wedding day.

BTW you really, really can't diagnose people with aspergers that easily. It doesn't work like that.

RunningUpThatHillAgain · 19/08/2015 18:35

OP, had it occurred to your fiance to invite this girlfriend before he was asked to by his brother? No, it hadn't even remotely occurred to him.

To clarify, we paid for a package for 25 guests including us. This is made up of 11 members of his family, 2 from mine and 10 friends, all of which we consider joint friends although they started out as his / my separate friends obviously. The reason why we have 26 guests is because since invites were sent out, the best man also asked if he could bring his girlfriend (they've been dating since the end of last year but they live abroad, so we'd never met her) In that instance, the best man had made the assumption we would say yes and had booked her a flight to the UK before even asking us, so we could hardly say no!!

FWIW, OH and I have spent a lovely afternoon together since I last posted, not a single mention of weddings in fact ...

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diddl · 19/08/2015 18:51

Well if he hadn't thought about it, he can hardly take the moral high ground!

oneowlgirl · 19/08/2015 18:58

Stand your ground Op - so unfair already that he has so many family members attending & you have 2. For that alone, I'd be very angry, never mind then being forced to have a new girlfriend you barely know.

DisappointedOne · 19/08/2015 19:07

DH has 3 brothers. None were married when we got married, but all had girlfriends. 2 of those relationships ended, along with several of friends that attended and got photographed. That's life - I haven't gone through the wedding album with a marker pen.

You are being hugely unreasonable and need to get your head out of your arse.

merrymouse · 19/08/2015 19:19

I think the real issue is that despite having to cut back on numbers drastically, one side has 11/12 family members and the other 2.

The groom's family seem to be ignoring the fact that it is a very small wedding.

You can't expect to have extra last minute plus ones in those circumstances.

RunningUpThatHillAgain · 19/08/2015 19:23

We could potentially have up to 30 day guests (5 more) if we paid for them, but as I said, OH and I are on a tight budget - we want to move house and start TTC in the next year, and a big wedding was never our dream.

BTW, I never said DBiL had aspergers, I said I suspected he might be on the autistic spectrum, which given my life experiences I know a fair amount about. Without going into too much detail, DBiL's issues have made him susceptible to many other negative influences, due to how impressionable he is when besotted. Why am I more cautious about the potential new addition to the family than OH and his family? Quite possibly because the tragic experiences I've been through (loved ones committing suicide because of mental health issues fuelled by drug addiction) have made me far less naive and far more cynical than my in-laws.

And I'm not condemning this new gf as manipulative, I'm saying I don't know her well enough to make that judgment, but what I do know is that she has made no effort so far to talk to me, so all I can judge her on is what I've seen on social media and that's not a foundation on which to invite someone to a small and intimate wedding ceremony.

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MapleTownAndMe · 19/08/2015 19:26

Your original post is absolutely shocking!!

You seemed happy with the 2:11 ratio of family up until now, you said you and your fiancé have rarely disagreed up until this.

I think it is entirely personal, you simply don't like this girl based on her appearance and because she has a child. How sad.

That said, it was a bit cheeky of the brother to ask but seeing as you weren't at capacity space wise and he offered to pay, I can see how he would think it was ok especially if his logic of thinking is quite black and white.

I personally would invite her because it clearly means a lot to both brothers. And as others have said, who knows what the future may hold for them.

I do wonder if the girl in question actually even wants to go.

ovenchips · 19/08/2015 19:28

This really is my last post but I cannot get my head round why you would have an issue with someone's 'plus one' being a stranger.

In your best man's case I honestly don't know why you would not invite his GF in first place? Why would you even think 'We could hardly say no' when the best man wanted to bring her? I honestly do not understand it (best man, lives in another country, paying for flight/ accommodation and making a huge effort for wedding but by the way come on your tod and be on your tod for the day).

It's the main guests (best man, brother) who are important to you and your OH. You want them to feel comfortable and enjoy themselves. They want to bring their GFs to do this. So they would need to be invited.

MapleTownAndMe · 19/08/2015 19:32

Alphabetstew Grin

All Facebook pictures of oneself must be face-forward, no smiling, white or light coloured background, no hats or headscarves, I think glasses might be okay but I'm not 100% sure. Check with your local police station or ring 101 to clarify.

So, there's your solution OP. Call the police and report her for Gross Misrepresentation Of Oneself On Facebook. That way she'll be locked up and won't be free to attend your wedding.

RunningUpThatHillAgain · 19/08/2015 19:36

This really is my last post but I cannot get my head round why you would have an issue with someone's 'plus one' being a stranger.

Because three out of four of my closest friends DH's weren't invited due to space issues and none of them have any issue with it whatsoever!

In your best man's case I honestly don't know why you would not invite his GF in first place?

See above.

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CurbsideProphet · 19/08/2015 19:38

OP I feel sorry for you with this situation. If I have this right:
you would have preferred to elope, but your DP wants his family there;
you want to invite your aunts etc, but your DP said no as his family would feel put out;
you don't want your BIL (to be) to bring his girlfriend of 8 weeks to the afternoon reception as you don't know her, but are happy for her to come to the evening reception. BIL has many short lived relationships and chances are it will not last

I don't know what there is to get offended about. You aren't saying she can't come at all, just that you wanted the ceremony and afternoon to be small, close family etc only. It sounds like you have already made a lot of compromises already about the day.

Gooseberrycrumble2 · 19/08/2015 19:39

There you go again making random judgements about this unknown girl. At the end of the day you have to blindly accept your Bil's judgment of his partner. She is an important part of his life and she may become your sister in law. You can choose to build bridges and be inclusive or you can be devisive and make future relationships difficult. I can see you've chosen the latter but are trying to justify yourself. I can't see why your opinion is more important than your paretners?!!

Gooseberrycrumble2 · 19/08/2015 19:42

The difference is that this lady could become your relative. Your friends husbands don't have that potential.

slithytove · 19/08/2015 19:46

Id redo the guest list. What you can afford and the Venue can seat. Split it down the middle.

If DH wants her as one of his half, that's fine.

RavioliOnToast · 19/08/2015 19:48

I honestly don't think YABU, if they'd been together for long then fair enough, if they were together when you sent the invitations out then yes you would be BU.

You've invited her to the evening which would be expected I imagine.

if I was her I wouldn't come now anyway after all the hoo-haa.

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